Bin Laden dead

[Cobblestoned]

Total media confusion



Steffen Seibert, speaker of the German Federal Government:
"Chancellor: Obama responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people, ​​has derided Islam's and all religions values."

Spiegel Online:
"U.S. military is said to have Obama buried in sea"

Fox:
"President Obama is really dead."

http://www.gmx.net/themen/digitale-welt/internet/127kbpo-medien-melden-obama-ist-tot

 

[Oldman]

Total media confusion



Steffen Seibert, speaker of the German Federal Government:
"Chancellor: Obama responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people, ​​has derided Islam's and all religions values."

Spiegel Online:
"U.S. military is said to have Obama buried in sea"

Fox:
"President Obama is really dead."

http://www.gmx.net/themen/digitale-welt/internet/127kbpo-medien-melden-obama-ist-tot

And an excellent reason not to take any single source for information or images. They all sell what they can sell. Fox's "facts" seem to have an unusually short half-life so they trot them out half-Assed.

 

[scribe]

.....but I am glad that the guy that played a major role in slaughtering so many thousands of innocent people on purpose is dead.

George Bush isn't really close to death yet....

 

[The Hitch]

Cheering someone's death being inappropriate has nothing to do with that dead someone, but with the people doing the cheering. We all know Bin Laden did terrible things, there's no need to list them since that's not the point.

But why is it inapropriate? At what point does something become inapropriate?

Is it inapropriate to cheer any suffering? Any displeasure. At what point is the line drawn.

And what about the families of victims. Is it ok for those who lost all their relatives to bin laden to cheer his death?

And this isnt just about the death in and of itself. Its also the fact that someone who would likely have caused a lot more suffering being removed from the capacity to do so. Is it ok to cheer the likely elimination of some suffering that might have occured.

It mght just be that I just dont have as grave an opinion of death as most people seem to. There are far worse things out there as far as I am concerned but it seems to me that a lot of people believe death is the worst thing imaginable.

Cheering the death of an enemy can be part of war and this is a war I feel that bin laden has put upon us (both of us being citizens of cities he attacked).

Society is a lot softer now than it has ever been and this is mostly good, but I think it does us know good to go to the point where celebrating the death of someone who has done so much harm is inapropriate.

Bin ladens crimes are important. he killed children. He tortured and killed innocents. he spent every night hoping I and everyone i ever loved would go to hell.

**** him.

I think a lot of people have a right to cheer right now?

 

[flicker]

But why is it inapropriate? At what point does something become inapropriate?

Is it inapropriate to cheer any suffering? Any displeasure. At what point is the line drawn.

And what about the families of victims. Is it ok for those who lost all their relatives to bin laden to cheer his death?

And this isnt just about the death in and of itself. Its also the fact that someone who would likely have caused a lot more suffering being removed from the capacity to do so. Is it ok to cheer the likely elimination of some suffering that might have occured.

It mght just be that I just dont have as grave an opinion of death as most people seem to. There are far worse things out there as far as I am concerned but it seems to me that a lot of people believe death is the worst thing imaginable.

Cheering the death of an enemy can be part of war and this is a war I feel that bin laden has put upon us (both of us being citizens of cities he attacked).

Society is a lot softer now than it has ever been and this is mostly good, but I think it does us know good to go to the point where celebrating the death of someone who has done so much harm is inapropriate.

Bin ladens crimes are important. he killed children. He tortured and killed innocents. he spent every night hoping I and everyone i ever loved would go to hell.

**** him.

I think a lot of people have a right to cheer right now?

I think it is important to acknowledge individuals like Bin Laden, Idi Amin, the former leader of Romania, Hitler, Stalin, Mao.
Not because of any reason is we need to watch and remember, so history does not repeat itself.
Most Americans are not dancing in the streets, no one has called me, horns are not honking, no ticker tape parades, etc. If some louts gloat at his death oh well, not representative of the majority in the USA.
Remember though, what Bin Laden supported. War on innocents, without mercy. Planes used as bombs, or human bombs, do not separate between military, financial,civilian,women or children.

 

[redtreviso]

Dancing in the streets today is perfectly appropriate compared to any sort of admiration for THIS..

 

[The Hitch]

I wonder if in the time between his killing and the dumping of the body. One of these was taken

One day, perhaps 20 30 years from now the world will see it.

Also how long until hollywood tries to cash in big time on this. 6 months. a year?

 

[Oldman]

Dancing in the streets today is perfectly appropriate compared to any sort of admiration for THIS..

You get no argument on that count, but Flicker makes a good point:

"I think it is important to acknowledge individuals like Bin Laden, Idi Amin, the former leader of Romania, Hitler, Stalin, Mao.
Not because of any reason is we need to watch and remember, so history does not repeat itself.
Most Americans are not dancing in the streets, no one has called me, horns are not honking, no ticker tape parades, etc. If some louts gloat at his death oh well, not representative of the majority in the USA.
Remember though, what Bin Laden supported. War on innocents, without mercy. Planes used as bombs, or human bombs, do not separate between military, financial,civilian,women or children."

You might note that people cheer transitions and the end of bad times. You can continue to fight your fight against inequality but I didn't want you or my son blown up by a roadside bomb. Cheer that didn't happen.

 

[nvpacchi]

One day, perhaps 20 30 years from now the world will see it.

Also how long until hollywood tries to cash in big time on this. 6 months. a year?

They already have, Bin Laden's been dead for years anyway so the movie is set to debut for the headline of this summer's box office

 

[Ferminal]

These were primarily college students, not fully formed adults. If you notice the "crowd" in Times Square was a miniscule gathering. Also to call it a celebration is a bit of a generalized description, when you had others that decided to go down there to pay homage to those that they lost on 9-11, to gain a form of closure, not necessarily to celebrate.

There is always going to be those that act in a distateful way, and the media will certainly jump on it and embellish for all it's worth if it helps their ratings.

I found that to be what concerned me most...

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I found that to be what concerned me most...

That is because your college professors have failed in education and have left nothing but personal opinion into the classroom.

 

[Cobblestoned]

I wonder if in the time between his killing and the dumping of the body. One of these was taken

One day, perhaps 20 30 years from now the world will see it.

Also how long until hollywood tries to cash in big time on this. 6 months. a year?

This is very close to the "set" I was talking about earlier.
But hey, it must feel great if you did something like this.

You can be sure that THE movie is on the way right now.
Like it is sure that some guys are designing maps for some egoshooters right now.
"Bin Laden Villa v1.00034"

 

[The Hitch]

I found that to be what concerned me most...

I read once that a majority of countries that have 60% + of the population under 30 are in war. Opposite for countries where a lower % of the population is young.

In the US 60% of young people support tourture. So i suppose that most of them were young is to be expected.

Its the Baby boomerang.

 

[JeffreyPerry]

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From my perspective: the celebration is distasteful and shortsighted. Eg. The Armstrong tweets that reached the Danish news within hours after the news broke. Does USA really need to give the rest of the world the impression of being a violent and revengeful society?

Shortsighted? No, a piece of crap terrorist thinking he would never be caught after doing what he did was....SHORTSIGHTED....

Some Americans show once again that they're quite a vengeful and hateful bunch. Which is understandable to a certain degree. I don't understand why it should become some kind of national celebration though..
Don't know whether or not it's very good that he's dead. The Al Qaeda movement is better of with a dead martyr than with an intelligent leader in terms of recruiting and stirring up the people against the Western world imo

Apparantly you've never heard of the 4th of July, Bastille Day, Cinco de Mayo, etc... All countries celebrate extraordinary events in their history. 1 May 2011 is now one of those days. You have just witnessed history. Learn from it.

Anyone want to shed light on the USA! USA! chants from crowds outside the whitehouse?
Has anti terrorism become a national sport now?

Offing Bin Laden is a necessary evil, but FFS, someone should teach those people some class.

Anti terrorism a sport? If they were to sell a license, I'd wait in line for one. A long one...longer than the one when I picked up my Iphone....
Twice

I wonder if in the time between his killing and the dumping of the body. One of these was taken


One day, perhaps 20 30 years from now the world will see it.

Also how long until hollywood tries to cash in big time on this. 6 months. a year?

Oh yes, there are pics, but it'll be awhile before they come out. That'll be as good a day as it was last night when the news broke. I can't wait.

For the record:
I lost a cousin in the Pentagon.
I have spent my share of time in Afghanistan supporting the fight, while journalists, democrats, and the like, (cycling forum posters included) questioned our presence there.
If this guy shot your mom/dad/sister/brother/etc...just one, you would be happy...
It was a "well deserved "death.

 

[JeffreyPerry]

I read once that a majority of countries that have 60% + of the population under 30 are in war. Opposite for countries where a lower % of the population is young.

In the US 60% of young people support tourture. So i suppose that most of them were young is to be expected.

Its the Baby boomerang.

Not sure about the boomerang thing, but "torture" gave us the info needed to track down and kill this criminal. I'm all for it.

 

[redtreviso]

[


Shortsighted? No, a piece of crap terrorist thinking he would never be caught after doing what he did was....SHORTSIGHTED....



Apparantly you've never heard of the 4th of July, Bastille Day, Cinco de Mayo, etc... All countries celebrate extraordinary events in their history. 1 May 2011 is now one of those days. You have just witnessed history. Learn from it.



Anti terrorism a sport? If they were to sell a license, I'd wait in line for one. A long one...longer than the one when I picked up my Iphone....
Twice




Oh yes, there are pics, but it'll be awhile before they come out. That'll be as good a day as it was last night when the news broke. I can't wait.

For the record:
I lost a cousin in the Pentagon.
I have spent my share of time in Afghanistan supporting the fight, while journalists, democrats, and the like, (cycling forum posters included) questioned our presence there.
If this guy shot your mom/dad/sister/brother/etc...just one, you would be happy...
It was a "well deserved "death.

Lining your pockets...take care of using the word OUR to include you. Bubba

 

[MD FACG FACP]

Some Americans show once again that they're quite a vengeful and hateful bunch. Which is understandable to a certain degree. I don't understand why it should become some kind of national celebration though..
Don't know whether or not it's very good that he's dead. The Al Qaeda movement is better of with a dead martyr than with an intelligent leader in terms of recruiting and stirring up the people against the Western world imo

I have to say I don't understand your point of view. A man who killed thousands of people and has gone free all of this time has been brought to justice. An act of violence that has cause years of mourning is reaching a day of celebration that is a moment of piece and joy for everyone in America.what is your second point? That terrorists and dictators should be left operational and in position? I guess I don't understand where you're going with that.

 

[hrotha]

Not sure about the boomerang thing, but "torture" gave us the info needed to track down and kill this criminal. I'm all for it.

No, interrogation got you the info. You don't know what techniques they used with the particular source of this info. In fact, intelligence officers regard info obtained under torture as generally unreliable.

 

[yourwelcome]

Good to see that at least one aggressive religious zealot with blood on his hands has been removed from the planet. Plenty of them left around the planet, including the USA, but hey, it's still a net win for the world.

More ambivalent though about seeing American crowds on TV jumping up and down, looking exactly like the Hezbollah or Iranian nationalists in the Middle East celebrating an attack against Israel. On the one hand it's understandable, on the other, you hope it's not a sign of the USA sliding into a similar ideological/theocratic cesspit.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Good to see that at least one aggressive religious zealot with blood on his hands has been removed from the planet. Plenty of them left around the planet, including the USA, but hey, it's still a net win for the world.

More ambivalent though about seeing American crowds on TV jumping up and down, looking exactly like the Hezbollah or Iranian nationalists in the Middle East celebrating an attack against Israel. On the one hand it's understandable, on the other, you hope it's not a sign of the USA sliding into a similar ideological/theocratic cesspit.

I am afraid there is a certain segment of our population that would not need much of a slide to arrive at that place.

 

[redtreviso]

Good to see that at least one aggressive religious zealot with blood on his hands has been removed from the planet. Plenty of them left around the planet, including the USA, but hey, it's still a net win for the world.

More ambivalent though about seeing American crowds on TV jumping up and down, looking exactly like the Hezbollah or Iranian nationalists in the Middle East celebrating an attack against Israel. On the one hand it's understandable, on the other, you hope it's not a sign of the USA sliding into a similar ideological/theocratic cesspit.

There really weren't many jumping up and down..Low angle shots..NYC was deserted except for a few hundred...Once on tv and under influence they made a photo op that could spur discussions like this one around the world..
Little about nothing.. Sports events are playing it up with their captive crowds..Good for the beer vendors I bet.

 

[patricknd]

Lining your pockets...take care of using the word OUR to include you. Bubba

careful, he may have been their working as a union man

 

[redtreviso]

careful, he may have been their working as a union man

If he was I'll leave it to scotty to take it from here.

 

[redtreviso]

""Monday, 15 October 2001

After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by President Bush.

The offer yesterday from *** Abdul Kabir, the Taliban's deputy prime minister, to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new but it suggested the Taliban are increasingly weary of the air strikes, which have crippled much of their military and communications assets.""

This is the same Taliban rejected by Clinton as being the official government of Afghanistan but lobbied FOR by Bush sr and Cheney at the behest of the Saudis.

 

[flicker]

Lining your pockets...take care of using the word OUR to include you. Bubba

dude, you got it wrong. I have been around these vets and their cause is right.
I recommend you get away from your keyboard and see what the world is like.
I am not an advocate of war but watching the world I think the US is doing the right thing.