Bin Laden dead

[Cobblestoned]

Obi-Wan Kenobi Is Dead, Vader Says

Lord Vader announced the killing of Obi-Wan Kenobi at the Imperial Palace on Coruscant

Cool man.
That was a good laugh, while the whole page is great to read.
Thank you ! lol

 

[Anonymous]

The whole concept of the bill of rights is lost on you.

You really don't have a clue, do you?

Bill of Rights? Lessee, for Bin Laden? Yeah, Chris, you are right. I have no clue.

al-Awlaki? Bill of Rights? If we catch him in a routine traffic stop in LA.... sure.

These guys espouse cold-blooded murder on the grandest scale possible. They are drenched in the blood of innocents.... kill anybody.

But Chris, I have apparently lost the plot.

 

[Anonymous]

Actually, in the legal sense, no. If we go on just emotions and put reason and principle aside, then, technically, we behave no better than the terrorists, for which trials under all the legal protocols do not exist. Or at the very least in an anti-Western constitutional manner.

Many jurists believe that had the US been able to capture Bin Laden alive, then he should have been allowed the right to due process just like anybody else. And that this would have served the image of a modern democracy and state of law (with its legal guarantees) better than having "taken him out" so to speak as we did.

It was likely the more popular result to have executed Bin Laden, which catered more to a desire for vendetta within the public squares and streets, than it did to projecting an image of a civilized state that demonstrates a clear refutation of the ways of barbary.

I don't disagree with one word of this.

But lets say we allow Bin Laden to stand trial. No matter what the verdict, how does this change any extremist attitude toward the west?

It changes nothing. It just makes people who think like you feel better about (ultimately) killing him. That's not a slam, by the way.

 

[ChrisE]

Bill of Rights? Lessee, for Bin Laden? Yeah, Chris, you are right. I have no clue.

al-Awlaki? Bill of Rights? If we catch him in a routine traffic stop in LA.... sure.

These guys espouse cold-blooded murder on the grandest scale possible. They are drenched in the blood of innocents.... kill anybody.

But Chris, I have apparently lost the plot.

I'm not talking about bin Laden, I'm talking about American citizens. Please pay attention to which post of yours I replied to.

The BoR explicitly states what the govt. cannot do. That includes unilaterally killing American citizens, if they are not in the act of committing a crime that is causing immenent danger to others.

It's debatable whether al Awlacki was doing that, but using your reasoning "he gets the same rights as those he is complicent in killing" is not the same argument, and the reason for my reply.

American citizens (and others some may argue) are afforded a right to trial by jury, and thus have an opportunity to defend themselves against what the govt. claims they did. The govt. is not judge, jury, and executioner just because the accused is a bad buy (according to the govt, ironically).

Get it now?

 

[Spare Tyre]

I don't disagree with one word of this.

But lets say we allow Bin Laden to stand trial. No matter what the verdict, how does this change any extremist attitude toward the west?

It changes nothing. It just makes people who think like you feel better about (ultimately) killing him. That's not a slam, by the way.

If there had been a legal trial instead of war waged in two countries there may have been a little less fodder for the extremists.

 

[rhubroma]

I don't disagree with one word of this.

But lets say we allow Bin Laden to stand trial. No matter what the verdict, how does this change any extremist attitude toward the west?

It changes nothing. It just makes people who think like you feel better about (ultimately) killing him. That's not a slam, by the way.

My feelings don't come into play here. That's where you are mistaken, because I allow myself to be governed be reason.

If there is anyone between us allowing their position to be governed by an emotional investment, my dear Scott SoCal, then that would be you.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm not talking about bin Laden, I'm talking about American citizens. Please pay attention to which post of yours I replied to.

The BoR explicitly states what the govt. cannot do. That includes unilaterally killing American citizens, if they are not in the act of committing a crime that is causing immenent danger to others.

It's debatable whether al Awlacki was doing that, but using your reasoning "he gets the same rights as those he is complicent in killing" is not the same argument, and the reason for my reply.

American citizens (and others some may argue) are afforded a right to trial by jury, and thus have an opportunity to defend themselves against what the govt. claims they did. The govt. is not judge, jury, and executioner just because the accused is a bad buy (according to the govt, ironically).

Get it now?

I guess we'll have to wait for him to blow away a few thousand of your fellow countrymen before we declare him an enemy of the state. Sure wouldn't want to disturb such delicate sensibilities.

Interesting how the Yemen govt (he's a 'citizen' of Yemen too) also has a standing shoot to kill order on the guy. Also, I highly doubt he considers himself an American citizen, but who knows...

I take it you have not seen any of his videography? Somehow I doubt the US govt produced these vids.... I could be wrong. Hard to imagine, with the info available to you, that you could see anything other than an enemy that does not want to reason with you. He just wants to lop your head off.

 

[ChrisE]

I guess we'll have to wait for him to blow away a few thousand of your fellow countrymen before we declare him an enemy of the state. Sure wouldn't want to disturb such delicate sensibilities.

Interesting how the Yemen govt (he's a 'citizen' of Yemen too) also has a standing shoot to kill order on the guy. Also, I highly doubt he considers himself an American citizen, but who knows...

I take it you have not seen any of his videography? Somehow I doubt the US govt produced these vids.... I could be wrong. Hard to imagine, with the info available to you, that you could see anything other than an enemy that does not want to reason with you. He just wants to lop your head off.

All of this is irrelevant to the argument. It is just further proof you haven't the foggiest idea wtf you are talking about, or pretend to believe in when convenient.

 

[Anonymous]

My feelings don't come into play here. That's where you are mistaken, because I allow myself to be governed be reason.

If there is anyone between us allowing their position to be governed by an emotional investment, my dear Scott SoCal, then that would be you.

Your feelings are absolutely in play. In fact, a reasonable person would understand there are extremists that can not be reasoned with.

Arrest them, mirandize them, try them, convict them, acquit them... it won't matter. The next one will kill you in a heart beat as their aim is the destruction of western civilization. Whatever it takes.

 

[Anonymous]

All of this is irrelevant to the argument. It is just further proof you haven't the foggiest idea wtf you are talking about, or pretend to believe in when convenient.

Oh yeah, the bill of rights. We gonna disagree on this.

 

[ChrisE]

Oh yeah, the bill of rights. We gonna disagree on this.

Yeah, you want to suspend it for some Americans and just let the govt. determine unilaterally what is best for us to "defeat the evildoers".

No wonder you guys are against Obama so much....don't want him unilaterally determining wingnuts from OC don't have any rights.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Yeah, you want to suspend it for some Americans and just let the govt. determine unilaterally what is best for us to "defeat the evildoers".

No wonder you guys are against Obama so much....don't want him unilaterally determining wingnuts from OC don't have any rights.

Well sure, because you know what a fan Scott is of "Government".
I am sure he is fine with leaving everything up to them.

 

[rhubroma]

Your feelings are absolutely in play. In fact, a reasonable person would understand there are extremists that can not be reasoned with.

Arrest them, mirandize them, try them, convict them, acquit them... it won't matter. The next one will kill you in a heart beat as their aim is the destruction of western civilization. Whatever it takes.

You are a citadel of brainlessness.

 

[redtreviso]

Bush-Cheney needed Bin Laden to stay alive.

By maintaining the Bin Laden fear object, Bush-Cheney were able to ram through a ridiculous Republican agenda of: corporate tax breaks, spying on US citizens, frivolous tax breaks for the rich, illegal torture chambers located around the world,
close down public access to government information, pass the unconstitutional un-Patriot Act,
destroy all working people’s incomes by giving corporate tax incentives to American businesses to take your jobs overseas,
deregulate Wall Street, Banking, Financial sectors so those corporations could plunder and destroy, and then demand that you the taxpayer pay for the corporate criminality.

In other words, the usual Republican agenda; profit is more important than you.

With the fear object of Bin Laden to dangle before the 9/11 hypnotized public, Bush-Cheney repeatedly diminished your civil liberties, your income future, and your ability to control corporate malfeasance. Bush-Cheney implemented torture programs that we now know were not to get information but to torture some poor person till, to stop being tortured, they said some lie that Bush-Cheney needed someone to say. Or to torture people to get compliant brainwashed entities who would do whatever the Bush-Cheney regime wanted them to do.""""

http://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/24-24/5918-bush-cheney-kept-bin-laden-alive

 

[Anonymous]

Yeah, you want to suspend it for some Americans and just let the govt. determine unilaterally what is best for us to "defeat the evildoers".

No wonder you guys are against Obama so much....don't want him unilaterally determining wingnuts from OC don't have any rights.

just let the govt. determine unilaterally what is best for us to "defeat the evildoers"

Wow Chris. That's really deep. You mean like going to war and stuff like that?

Lessee, High Treason (at the very least). I guess it just doesn't mean what it used to.

I'm thinking that if I were plotting to kill as many Americans as possible with my ultimate objective being the govt's overthrow I'm not going to expect much protection from the bill of rights.

But I realize how uncivilized that must sound to someone so sophisticated and delicate.

BTW, I'm not a fan of BO but I think he's doing as good of a job as one could expect tracking down these killers and making them disappear. But in your book I guess he's just another mass murderer. Like Bush even.

I happy that, in this case, yours is the minority position.

 

[Anonymous]

You are a citadel of brainlessness.

This is not a response governed by reason... in fact it may actually show some....













Wait for it....










Emotion.

You are just too easy.

 

[Anonymous]

Well sure, because you know what a fan Scott is of "Government".
I am sure he is fine with leaving everything up to them.

Oh I am such a hypocrite. I am actually looking for the govt to do what they are supposed to be doing.

Hands off for protecting our sovereign nation but hands on for mandated health insurance.

Did I get that right?

 

[redtreviso]

Oh I am such a hypocrite. I am actually looking for the govt to do what they are supposed to be doing.

Hands off for protecting our sovereign nation but hands on for mandated health insurance.

Did I get that right?

Such an Alcoholic

 

[Oldman]

....off the rails and into the ditch. So much for learning something.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Such an Alcoholic

WoW


You guys are being way personal.

 

[The Hitch]

You guys are being way personal.

Im not sure that the plural is neccesary here. See if you can find a pattern in the names of the users that accuse others of being drunks.

Yes scott is most likely a drunk.. and proud of it..

It's that drunk thing that makes him so appealing to scotty.

Carry on with your getting drunk, cleaning your glock9 and defending republican morons. What a way to go through life

You're crazy.. must be the alcohol..

I need some laughs..but I can(would rather not) listen to drunk conservatives just by conversing with my neighbors while watering the yard.

You probably hear it when you talk to yourself. A self admiration thing. " I want him to rule the world, he's a drunk like me"

You must drink a lot..

It takes prolonged use of alcohol to be like that.

Did I insult another one of your drunk heroes...

Of course drunk post turtles are admired by drunks.

You must have drank a lot at that Irish Bar.

And probably most offensive of all, saying ScotSoCal is like the guy who shot that woman. (Breaks about 5 cnf rules right here)

foxnews + alcohol= scotties with guns.

 

[redtreviso]

Im not sure that the plural is neccesary here. See if you can find a pattern in the names of the users that accuse others of being drunks.

And probably most offensive of all, saying ScotSoCal is like the guy who shot that woman. (Breaks about 5 cnf rules right here)

I thought you ignored me..Try hitting the real ignore button instead of the alcohol impaired imaginary one..

 

[The Hitch]

Putting people on ignore doesnt stop you from seeing them when they get quoted Of course i can also if I feel like it click the "view post option" as i have here as i thought you would respond.

Glen quoted you hence i saw the comment.

Brought back the memories of the times you told me I was an alcocholic (which btw arent quoted here, I just did the anti Scot ones, so, mods, yes there is more of red telling people they are drunk).

Tbh though i thought youd be more proud of all those times you told Scott that hes a drunk. Proud of how you told him he was the same as the guy who tried to murder that woman. Proud of how you told him, who his heroes are, what he thinks, what he watches, listens to, does etc.

Some of your best work no? And yet you seem upset that i reminded your fans of it

 

[patricknd]

Putting people on ignore doesnt stop you from seeing them when they get quoted

Glen quoted you hence i saw the comment.

Brought back the memories of the times you told me I was an alcocholic (which btw arent quoted here, I just did the anti Scot ones, so, mods, yes there is more of red telling people they are drunk).

I think Glenn was referring to red's multiple personalities.

 

[redtreviso]

Laurie Dhue ... alcoholic.. Foxnews.. mentality meant for a bar stool. Republican.