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thehook said:
I don't think it has anything to do with clinic-related reasons. I don't think Tinkov really cares about that.
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Tinkov has a Messiah complex - disease of many people that have earned a great deal of money and typically surround themselves with yes-men.
That being said, f*ck Riis.
That being said, f*ck Riis.
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If you have worked with the current crop of wealthy Russians, you will know they cannot be seen to be weak or even compromising when in leadership. It is their culture. They berate anybody under them constantly. It is not a Scandinavian style. The distance between the boss and the layer of senior management beneath him is much bigger than in Western Europe. These events do not surprise me.
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No, that's exactly my point. Both are big budget teams with big names paid with dirty money, but more money doesn't make more wins. It takes more than that and Tinkoff don't have anything in place to equal Sky's marginal gains. Even if Tinkoff says 'just don't get caught' to his riders, that still isn't enough!
the sceptic said:
No, that's exactly my point. Both are big budget teams with big names paid with dirty money, but more money doesn't make more wins. It takes more than that and Tinkoff don't have anything in place to equal Sky's marginal gains. Even if Tinkoff says 'just don't get caught' to his riders, that still isn't enough!
- May 11, 2013
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They will meet over a few bottle of vodka, Riis will explain Oleg (again) what's the secret to go crazy on Hautacam, Stinkoff will get it at last and Contador wins all three grand tours this year. Everybody is happy.
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rhubroma said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but subject of our discussion is Oleg Tinkov!? So would you my dear little *** chauvinist be so kind as to explain me what whole Russia & Russians and Orthodoxy as a religion have with behavior of a single person?!? Is Charles Manson clear example of the American way of life or just one lunatic, tell me your honest opinion ?!?
Just one more thing... The totality of your so-called knowledge of history and historical perspective is knowledge and perspective of low educated not-the-sharpest-tool-in-the-box person.
Thank you in advance for your understanding...;o)
I'm looking forward to see if SaxoBank has a clause in their contract to get out if Bjarne Riis is fired, the have always said that it's Bjarne Riis they are sponsoring and not the superstars and I would expect that Oleg would be forced to pay a lot of their money back
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Apparently this is what happened: after the TA-stage where Quintana dropped Contador Tinkov was furious and wanted Riis to demote De Jongh and take the seat in the car himself to "show how good he really was". Riis refused saying he trusted his SDs. Also on a meeting later on Tinkov was yelling and screaming and Sagan stood up to him which rarely happens. All this apparently led to the suspension. So there doesnt seem to be any clinic reason behind the suspension (which would also be quite surprising given Tinkov's take on that subject).
More here in this article (in Danish)
http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/2015-03-2 ... -og-tinkov
observer said:
Apparently this is what happened: after the TA-stage where Quintana dropped Contador Tinkov was furious and wanted Riis to demote De Jongh and take the seat in the car himself to "show how good he really was". Riis refused saying he trusted his SDs. Also on a meeting later on Tinkov was yelling and screaming and Sagan stood up to him which rarely happens. All this apparently led to the suspension. So there doesnt seem to be any clinic reason behind the suspension (which would also be quite surprising given Tinkov's take on that subject).
More here in this article (in Danish)
http://sporten.tv2.dk/cykling/2015-03-2 ... -og-tinkov
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If it's true which it seems it is, tinkov is a bigger idiot than i thought he was.
Contador destroys everyone in 2014 and now he wants to go for the double and he lost against quintana in a MTF in TA. And he's going insane? Idiot. Especially cause adding pressure doesn't help, contador and riis know how to win.
Contador destroys everyone in 2014 and now he wants to go for the double and he lost against quintana in a MTF in TA. And he's going insane? Idiot. Especially cause adding pressure doesn't help, contador and riis know how to win.
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All his statements and tweets amount to the fact that he does not take rational team decisions where his money is concerned. He is the dictator of the team as he is bankrolling it. I suspect that the moral of the team would be very low throughout the year unless they win big.
Now confirmed : http://www.tinkoffsaxo.com/news/tinkoff ... arne-riis/
The bolded part sounds strange, probably just a way of "spinning it" though, wouldn't read too much into it.
The bolded part sounds strange, probably just a way of "spinning it" though, wouldn't read too much into it.
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They don't even say why he's suspended, well since it's not for results and finance, it must be clinic right?
But the rumors contradict that and tinkov doesn't care about clinic anyways.
Not that this is really relevant but i never thought it was good idea to bring Sagan in this team, for him and for the team. Being called the best team of the world (at least by tinkov) is a curse, look at BMC a few years ago.
But the rumors contradict that and tinkov doesn't care about clinic anyways.
Not that this is really relevant but i never thought it was good idea to bring Sagan in this team, for him and for the team. Being called the best team of the world (at least by tinkov) is a curse, look at BMC a few years ago.
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...and certainly they are the only things that are bringing the sport down. Without them we can see the sunshine and clear Sky's again.
Your post screams to me that you are absolutely clueless or maybe I'm missing the intended sarcasm in your post, in which case I apologize in advance.
ICEROCK said:
...and certainly they are the only things that are bringing the sport down. Without them we can see the sunshine and clear Sky's again.
Your post screams to me that you are absolutely clueless or maybe I'm missing the intended sarcasm in your post, in which case I apologize in advance. So he is not suspended, he was "removed from active duty at Tinkoff-Saxo", the team have confirmed,
.. but not due to a knee-jerk reaction because of the team’s poor performance or financial issues as was previously reported. Cyclingnews understands that the reason for the suspension is due to differences between himself and team boss Oleg Tinkov.
Riis will not perform his duties as directeur sportif while he and Tinkov work out their differences.
Haha, you cant make this stuff up
.. but not due to a knee-jerk reaction because of the team’s poor performance or financial issues as was previously reported. Cyclingnews understands that the reason for the suspension is due to differences between himself and team boss Oleg Tinkov.
Riis will not perform his duties as directeur sportif while he and Tinkov work out their differences.
Haha, you cant make this stuff up
It's a sad state of affairs. To have so much talent in one team and to manage it in such a way is borderline idiotic.
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So the human drama is interesting, and speculation about the why is intriguing, but more relevant is the sporting effect.
Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?
How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?
Was Riis such a brilliant team manager that his removal will substantially affect the team's results? Are his training and tactical nous and his inspiration and motivational skills such that the team will suffer, or can he easily be replaced?
How many of the team owe their loyalty so deeply to Riis that they cannot/will not perform to the same level under a different manager?
Whatever you think of Riis, Tinkov is just one big clueless ego who wants to buy into cycling the same as Roman Abramovich did in football.
Money spent = Not a team that automatically wins everything
If it were /RadioShack/Leopard/Trek Factory then you could understand him being annoyed at lack of results but its not and he isn't.
Money spent = Not a team that automatically wins everything
If it were /RadioShack/Leopard/Trek Factory then you could understand him being annoyed at lack of results but its not and he isn't.
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