Brits don't dope?

[blackcat]

All clean as a whistle according to the tests.

Yes, McMaster wore a wire and got various conversations on tape but the authorities kicked his evidence out. The Sunday Times ran with his story and D - i - c - k was going to sue them. A lot of hot air was produced rubbishing McMaster but I can find no evidence that D - i - c - k actually proceeded with the case. The story got quietly dropped and Nuf Respect carried on winning stuff and all was well in the world. Bit like now. I have my copy of the Daily Telegraph sports supplement with the exact words "THE BIGGEST DOPING COVER-UP IN ATHLETICS HISTORY" on the front page alongside a picture of Flo-Jo and here we are, not even 10 days later and the story is silenced.

Not silenced due to the 10 Moroccans or the 12 Greek athletes but because one GB star with a "previously unblemished record" was about to be exposed.

It makes you wonder how Peter Keen got his job at UK Sport. There are some serious skeletons people want to remain buried. I never did think that Boardman's 99 sample would be around for re-testing years later.

sounds like Ian Thorpe's lutenizing hormone positive just died on the grapevine, and we know the media likes to extend that glass of wine at lunch into an afternoon and evening <eyesroll>

/normal abnormal blackcat non-sequitur

 

[MatParker117]

You've read it does eat rbc's and you've read it doesnt? Well have you tried reconciling the 2? Finding out the disparity?

I remember discussing this with merckx indez on here and in pms. Schistosoma do "feed" on red blood cells

But the effevt itself is tiny to the point of being worthless. I remember mi pointing out that even in the absolute worst cases (mostly in children) it would have less than a 1% impact on hematocrit.

So what you may have read is not that schistosomaisis doesn't eat red blood cells (and if you read those words you may want to check the credibility of the source) but that it doesn't have any real effect on rbc count.

Froome is wrong to say that bilharzia destroyed his career by being a reverse epo but that in and of itself doesn't prove dishonesty (as other parts of his bilharzia story do). It would not be impossible for skys doctors to not see any difference in rbc count due to bilharzia. Walsh is incompetent to reprint things without checking them up and even more incompetent to then not question the doctor "no change" comments, but then we already knew Walsh is incompetent.

The adult worms do eat RBC's and can cause someone to lose a up to 12 ml of blood a day. Although it's intermittent and the Spleen damage doesn't help either. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/498.abstract

What was likely happening to Froome was eggs were getting trapped in various places and his bodies immune system responding was kicking his ****.

 

[thehog]

The adult worms do eat RBC's and can cause someone to lose a up to 12 ml of blood a day. Although it's intermittent and the Spleen damage doesn't help either. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/498.abstract

What was likely happening to Froome was eggs were getting trapped in various places and his bodies immune system responding was kicking his ****.

12ml a day! Yikes! Seeing Dawg didn't know he had Badzhilla, we can assume he lost about 4 litres of blood in a year?

 

[DirtyWorks]

The adult worms do eat RBC's and can cause someone to lose a up to 12 ml of blood a day. Although it's intermittent and the Spleen damage doesn't help either. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/498.abstract

What was likely happening to Froome was eggs were getting trapped in various places and his bodies immune system responding was kicking his ****.

He and Mrs. Froome couldn't even keep the treatment story straight between the two of them.

All of your imagined scenario **requires** Froome had some sort of below subsistence level medical care. As if the WHO/Doctors Without Borders vans only comes around once every other year.

Yes, hang onto the barest thread of possibility nonsense in order to keep the Froome is Cleans faith alive.

 

[Digger]

The adult worms do eat RBC's and can cause someone to lose a up to 12 ml of blood a day. Although it's intermittent and the Spleen damage doesn't help either. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/498.abstract

What was likely happening to Froome was eggs were getting trapped in various places and his bodies immune system responding was kicking his ****.

But froome said it was advanced!!! But not advanced enough to be messing with his blood.

 

[veganrob]

The adult worms do eat RBC's and can cause someone to lose a up to 12 ml of blood a day. Although it's intermittent and the Spleen damage doesn't help either. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/498.abstract

What was likely happening to Froome was eggs were getting trapped in various places and his bodies immune system responding was kicking his ****.

And he didn't notice blood in his urine or feces.

 

[MatParker117]

But froome said it was advanced!!! But not advanced enough to be messing with his blood.

If the eggs had gotten into his bloodstream he would of risk of organ damage and cancer, he would not be a professional cyclist.

 

[Digger]

If the eggs had gotten into his bloodstream he would of risk of organ damage and cancer, he would not be a professional cyclist.

But he said a couple of times that it feasts on rbc's!

 

[thehog]

If the eggs had gotten into his bloodstream he would of risk of organ damage and cancer, he would not be a professional cyclist.

The article you linked doesn't back up your claims about 12ml per day though.

Do you just make this stuff up?

Using 51Cr-isotopes, Farid (10-15) and his colleagues measured the blood loss in patients with chronic Schistosoma mansoni polyp formation of the colon and showed that these patients can lose up to 12.5 ml of blood daily. Using 59Fe-isotopes, these workers also measured the blood loss in the urine in patients infected with Schistosoma haematobium and demonstrated that these patients can lose up to 120 ml of blood daily. Blood loss in schistosomiasis, however, is intermittent and not constant and though it may be severe for a few days it usually ceases for prolonged periods.

 

[thehog]

But he said a couple of times that it feasts on rbc's!

<insert horror music!>

Chomps on red blood cells! eats the body! Deprives you of oxygen!

 

[The Hitch]

The adult worms do eat RBC's and can cause someone to lose a up to 12 ml of blood a day. Although it's intermittent and the Spleen damage doesn't help either. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/22/4/498.abstract

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Yes I've seem that article and others. 12ml is related to the worm burden. It would.only happen if someone has a high worm burden. Froome didn't have a high worm burden because a) as the original whistleblower on his bilharzia lies pointed out, much of his story is inconsistent with a high worm burden including the idea that he was a pro cyclist for a year and b) tourists don't get high worm burdens because the number of worms is proportionate to the amount of time you spend in the water. Fishermen who work 10 hours a day 365 days a year in the water get high worm burdens. Not a pro cyclist who is in the country for a few weeks and doesn't go near the water for the majority of the time.

What was likely happening to Froome was eggs were getting trapped in various places and his bodies immune system responding was kicking his ****.

You have a source for that?

 

[blackcat]

And he didn't notice blood in his urine or feces.

that cos he never asked April MAcy to take a look

http://www.examiner.com/article/april-macie-lance-armstrong-asked-me-to-perform-analingus-on-him

 

[bewildered]

Bilharzia doesn't explain how he can compete with the times and power outputs of known rampant blood dopers over the course of a 3 week GT. How he can dominate TTs and climbs, how his team can ride like US Postal. All things alien to the pre-EPO era.

It's a nonsense story anyway, it's needed to cover for the fact that he's never been talented

 

[The Hitch]

The people who said it was inevitable that the British doper's name would come out still think that?

 

[Catwhoorg]

The people who said it was inevitable that the British doper's name would come out still think that?

Yes. Maybe not his year, maybe not next but eventually.

And her name will be dirt thereafter (Regardless of guilt or innocence in a legal framework.The actions taken to suppress public release will forever label her guilty)

 

[blackcat]

Bilharzia doesn't explain how he can compete with the times and power outputs of known rampant blood dopers over the course of a 3 week GT. How he can dominate TTs and climbs, how his team can ride like US Postal. All things alien to the pre-EPO era.

It's a nonsense story anyway, it's needed to cover for the fact that he's never been talented

nah, Froome has definitely had talent. He had talent. It just needed to be harnessed.

at 6 foot, 73kg, he was a mediocre pro, even when doping. but he had talent. like they all do.

lose about 6 kgs with lipotropin peptide, which is what Wiggo and Ryder would have taken, and improve the power you have with some other products like CJC-1295, add a pinch of a few bloodbags, and bobs your uncle in july.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipotropin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJC-1295

this is the good stuff British Cycling are on.

but Jamie Burrow and John-Lee Augustyn are the best climbers Sky never had. *well, they kicked out JLA pretty soon

edit: JLA is a saffa no? does he have a passport like Kevin Pietersen or Froome-dawg? dont think so

 

[blackcat]

Yes. Maybe not his year, maybe not next but eventually.

And her name will be dirt thereafter (Regardless of guilt or innocence in a legal framework.The actions taken to suppress public release will forever label her guilty)

unless Radcliffe has a Landis in her closet, I reckon she rides off safe into the sunset.

The media really dont like pulling down heroes, like Brecht wrote in Galileo's life. Prance was the exception that proves the rule, he had made too many enemies, too many April MAcy's, too greedy.

All he had to do was stay quiet, work for Livestrong, then run for the Gubernatorial seat in Texas. He would have 150 mill in his bank right now.

 

[Benotti69]

unless Radcliffe has a Landis in her closet, I reckon she rides off safe into the sunset.

The media really dont like pulling down heroes, like Brecht wrote in Galileo's life. Prance was the exception that proves the rule, he had made too many enemies, too many April MAcy's, too greedy.

All he had to do was stay quiet, work for Livestrong, then run for the Gubernatorial seat in Texas. He would have 150 mill in his bank right now.

Possibility that a German Journalist might take an interest in Radcliffe, heres hoping.......

 

[thehog]

nah, Froome has definitely had talent. He had talent. It just needed to be harnessed.

at 6 foot, 73kg, he was a mediocre pro, even when doping. but he had talent. like they all do.

lose about 6 kgs with lipotropin peptide, which is what Wiggo and Ryder would have taken, and improve the power you have with some other products like CJC-1295, add a pinch of a few bloodbags, and bobs your uncle in july.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipotropin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CJC-1295

this is the good suff British Cycling are on.

but Jamie Burrow and John-Lee Augustyn are the best climbers Sky never had. *well, they kicked out JLA pretty soon

Froome, the most talented British cyclist to have never lived in Britain?

 

[wrinklyvet]

Froome, the most talented British cyclist to have never lived in Britain?

Very probably right.

 

[The Hitch]

Yes. Maybe not his year, maybe not next but eventually.

And her name will be dirt thereafter (Regardless of guilt or innocence in a legal framework.The actions taken to suppress public release will forever label her guilty)

I think the historical record shows that any time a doper (or anyone who does something wrong) is able to survive the original story run date they are pretty much in the clear.

That is why most of the time, when something truly damning hits the press, the guilty party clams up, hires lawyers to maintain the silence, and does everything to not draw attention to themselves and the story while they wait for other stories to take the spotlight.

The most dangerous period for the athlete is already over. There is always a chance she gets named for one reason or another, but its like with police solving a crime. Every hour after the crime is commited the chances of the perpetrator getting caught decreases, and after 24 hours, if they don't have a lead good chances are they will never get one.

 

[thehog]

"Take Bradley Wiggins for example, and his claim that he thought Lance Armstrong was clean up until the reasoned decision. I do have a little sympathy for him. While he's not particularly bright or articulate, if you read between his curse words it's clear that he has insecurities resulting from the fact that despite all the measures he took to win the Tour he wasn't even the strongest rider." - Floyd Landis highlights what he sees as the contradictions and hypocrisy within the sport.

"If I was the carpenter, then he was the artist. He had all the panache in the world, all the panache you could fit into a small climber, and I, if I'm honest, I didn't have that." - Lance Armstrong on the ten year anniversary of Marco Pantani's death.

MC: I don't think Chris fully understood that (Vinokourov) had doped.
CF: No, I knew.
MC: Not fully.

Paul Kimmage's revealing interview for the Irish Independent with Chris Froome (Team Sky) and his wife Michelle Cound.

Some good quotes in there...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/quotes-of-the-year-2014

 

[blackcat]

great pastiche there hog. great pastiche. great great pastiche.

 

[blackcat]

I think the historical record shows that any time a doper (or anyone who does something wrong) is able to survive the original story run date they are pretty much in the clear.

That is why most of the time, when something truly damning hits the press, the guilty party clams up, hires lawyers to maintain the silence, and does everything to not draw attention to themselves and the story while they wait for other stories to take the spotlight.

The most dangerous period for the athlete is already over. There is always a chance she gets named for one reason or another, but its like with police solving a crime. Every hour after the crime is commited the chances of the perpetrator getting caught decreases, and after 24 hours, if they don't have a lead good chances are they will never get one.

yep, i think Paula will be Dame Paula versus being outed.

 

[sniper]

yep, i think Paula will be Dame Paula versus being outed.

it's a pity nobody opened a Clinic thread on Paula Radcliffe, preferably with an explicit as possible title.
i'm probably guilty of overestimating the impact of the Clinic, but who knows, if we throw the press some bones, somebody might bite.

on a side, credit to Race Radio for putting himself in the line of fire with that tweet.
I'd be curious to hear from him about the kind of reactions he's received to that tweet. Would he have received any (legal) threats?