Brits don't dope?

[Jacques (7 ch)]

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The other kids dad found it in a tin in the fridge apparently, nothing more suspicious than that

While looking for the butter?

 

[blackcat]

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Blackcat why are you making **** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here

because the first article I read said "looked into bag", "father of rider", the UK Cycling Weekly article I read it in.

now stop being unnecessarily belligerent

 

[King Boonen]

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Blackcat why are you making **** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here

because the first article I read said "looked into bag", "father of rider", the UK Cycling Weekly article I read it in.

now stop being unnecessarily belligerent

I read the same article, a bag was never mentioned as far as I can remember. Just said a father of a rider found it and everyone used their jump to conclusions mat...

 

[fmk_RoI]

"On 3 August 2015 I bought EPO for the first time. On 11 August 2015 I travelled to France for a weeks training camp with the family of a then-teammate. With me I brought one vial of EPO. This was found by the teammate's father who presented evidence to UK Anti-Doping."

Evans's statement

Now here's what I think happened, based on reading the above: after the BBC forced the child to buy EPO, the other kid's father was told about it by intergalactic robots who told him the kid was hiding the drugs in the bottom of his sock drawer, underneath the porn mags. It's the only logical explanation based on the available evidence.

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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Now here's what I think happened...

now stop being unnecessarily belligerent

 

[beatthatrat]

It's a meta thing.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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Now here's what I think happened...

now stop being unnecessarily belligerent

+infinity.

 

[King Boonen]

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Blackcat why are you making **** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here

To be fair, if you dislike wild speculation so much, I would suggest The Clinic is not the place for you.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Blackcat why are you making **** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here

To be fair, if you dislike wild speculation so much, I would suggest The Clinic is not the place for you.

some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Blackcat why are you making **** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here

because the first article I read said "looked into bag", "father of rider", the UK Cycling Weekly article I read it in.

now stop being unnecessarily belligerent

I read the same article, a bag was never mentioned as far as I can remember. Just said a father of a rider found it and everyone used their jump to conclusions mat...

the comments someone mentions the bag. I may have filled in the gaps.

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Blackcat why are you making **** up when it's been explained - it's that kind of rambling conjecture and imagined conversations which discredit a lot of the decent info you can find on here

because the first article I read said "looked into bag", "father of rider", the UK Cycling Weekly article I read it in.

now stop being unnecessarily belligerent

I read the same article, a bag was never mentioned as far as I can remember. Just said a father of a rider found it and everyone used their jump to conclusions mat...

the comments someone mentions the bag. I may have filled in the gaps.

Aye. I've no problem with it to be fair, there was hardly any information and speculation is what the clinic is about, as I said upthread. Very easy to use The Clinic and ignore the wild speculation if people don't like it but can't leave The Clinic.

 

[fmk_RoI]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

 

[blackcat]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

I was reading it on a phone.

listen, I apologise to anyone here if I mislead them.

I would say inadvertantly mislead, but some will call me out on this qualifier and question my bona fides.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

Does it really matter?

Are you the internet pedantry police now or something?

 

[Benotti69]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

Does it really matter?

Are you the internet pedantry police now or something?

fmk_RoI coming over all Dr Maserati.

 

[42x16ss]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

Does it really matter?

Are you the internet pedantry police now or something?

fmk_RoI coming over all Dr Maserati.

Be careful Benno, you won't want a warning now

 

[Irondan]

Let's just move on and get back to the topic at hand please.

 

[Winterfold]

Feck I wasn't expecting this much meta I don't mind wild speculation as it is part of the appeal of the site. I should have provided a link else why should my wild speculation be any different to blackcat's?

Blackcat my comment was unnecessarily snappy. Sorry.

If you want to wade through 17,000 pages of angst and hand-wringing there is a fair bit of information on the ttforum, but the gist of it is this lad's statement doesn't stack up.

Interesting things:
1. lots of Brits (I am a Brit) starting to realise 'Brits dont dope' narrative is BS.
2. Cultural normalisation of doping in cycling has got to the point where cat 1 amateurs think they only get spanked cos the other dude doped, when it fact it could be cos your aerodynamics need work, or your power meter needs calibrating, or one of many other reasons.

 

[motty89]

Something that I don't think has been posted on here about the Gabriel Evans positive is he raced and won the Junior TT title while being investigated. He was booted off his team(Catford) and then lied to London Dynamo when asked why he left and then rode for them in the junior championships. Given his deceit and lies he's already told I find it hard to believe his 'I doped once and was caught story' then again he does say that he wants to emulate saint millar...

 

[The Carrot]

I read some of the comments on the time trial forum. Some are of the 'we don't want to talk about it here' kind. Talk bout heads in the sand!

 

[motty89]

I've always wondered just how much doping goes on at amateur level, particularly when the last winner did close to 8w/kg for 4:25 in the National Hill Climb. Not saying he dopes or anything but Hill Climbing at least seems to have got a lot more popular in the last few years and I wouldn't be surprised to learn i'd raced against dopers.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

Fair points, I think it is necessary for people to be challenged when they do not read things critically and pass on information that is not factually correct. Then it becomes like a game of telephone (aka Chinese whispers). A similar thing happened when a CN article was read incorrectly, leading to claims that Dr. Swart was hired by Michelle Cound to conduct testing. FWIW, I have been on the other end of your critiques. It makes us all more accountable for our comments.

viewtopic.php?p=1843551#p1843551

 

[Jacques de Molay]

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Hill Climbing at least seems to have got a lot more popular in the last few years and I wouldn't be surprised to learn i'd raced against dopers.

You did if you raced against this guy.

 

[gillan1969]

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some gentleman does mention a bag in the comments here:
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/junior-time-trial-champion-gabriel-evans-admits-epo-use-203450

The comment:

I suspect he had an inkling hence finding it in his bag (if the reporting is factually correct) and therefore how widespread is the problem with youngsters

Having read the reporting you will have recalled there was no mention of a bag at which point surely your BS filter kicked in and you dismissed the comment?

Fair points, I think it is necessary for people to be challenged when they do not read things critically and pass on information that is not factually correct. Then it becomes like a game of telephone (aka Chinese whispers). A similar thing happened when a CN article was read incorrectly, leading to claims that Dr. Swart was hired by Michelle Cound to conduct testing. FWIW, I have been on the other end of your critiques. It makes us all more accountable for our comments.

viewtopic.php?p=1843551#p1843551

not really the same unless you think someone has skin in the game if a 'bag' is involved...otherwise... kind of irrelevant no?

bag/fridge/pocket/under pillow....that's the real story

 

[djpbaltimore]

You are wrong, gillan1969. Both are clear examples where people did not read critically and propagated incorrect information. That is the common bond.