Brits don't dope?

[fmk_RoI]

to do that during a race and actively cheer against an athlete is petty and unsportsmanlike.

But normal behaviour in cycling. Clinicians turn on Froome and...well everyone, actually. Even David Walsh expects "real" cycling fans to want Alberto Contador to lose.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Re: Re:

There is a comment under that article by someone calling himself "dourscot" and I think there is something in it.

It's the old French excuse-mongering again - 'how dare anyone beat us'.

The reason the Brits do well at the Olympics is because the entire track cycling programme is built to succeed there. They don't worry about the World Championship because, frankly, nobody in Britain could care less.

Rather than cast aspersions on Britain perhaps the French coach should examine his own priorities.

Stop introducing rational explanations.

Michael D’Almeida acknowledged he was speaking "in the heat of the moment" and that that, perhaps, was "not good".

 

[fmk_RoI]

In the spirit of general Brit-bashing (and unsure where the proper thread for this is), ex-BC coach Shane Sutton's showing that doping really does mess with your head:

You’re dealing with big personalities so it’s not always going to be a bed of roses. It was a fantastic culture and you look at someone like Jason Kenny who has been there ten years…if the culture was wrong he wouldn’t have lasted that long. He’s probably going to go on and be our greatest Olympian. The lad has Tokyo in him and who knows what he can achieve, not just at these Games and given the form he has. So the culture can’t be as bad as everyone has made out and it will be interesting to hear the findings of the panel.

I believe, and I’ve said it all along, it’s not one of fear. It’s one of excellence and the only people in fear, in the system, are the ones that have failed to deliver.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Re: Re:

There is a comment under that article by someone calling himself "dourscot" and I think there is something in it.

It's the old French excuse-mongering again - 'how dare anyone beat us'.

The reason the Brits do well at the Olympics is because the entire track cycling programme is built to succeed there. They don't worry about the World Championship because, frankly, nobody in Britain could care less.

Rather than cast aspersions on Britain perhaps the French coach should examine his own priorities.

Stop introducing rational explanations.

Michael D’Almeida acknowledged he was speaking "in the heat of the moment" and that that, perhaps, was "not good".

Good point. I'll go down to the beach. Cheers!

 

[Sorped]

I think the French believe the super peaking in track cycling stinks as much as super peaking in, say, Le Tour.

 

[burning]

A British guy got 4th in the 200m breathstroke. The commentators were super depressed, barely mentioned any of the medalists yet alone the winner.

They then cut to the swimming analyst who said "he came 4th but a Russian came 3rd so you never know, he could move up, I hope so"

What a disgusting comment

unreal, cold war type cheerleading.

The Russian who medalled has never been implicated in doping.
but its ok to hope his life gets destroyed, because he's russian, just so someone who thanks to the accident of birth grew on the same island as you, could feel a little bit better.

Considering what has been going on since London 2012, the same treatment that Russia is experiencing should be done to GB. Brits are exponentially more ridiculous than russians yet media portaits them as saints. This is just disgusting media practice from brits like they always do.

 

[happychappy]

I don't care what GB are doing as long as they keep annoying the whiny French. Long may it continue. Waaaaah.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Why is there a desperate need for Britain to come to terms with Simpson, when he was by definition an outlier (one of so few British riders in the peloton), but not for France, or Belgium, or Holland, or Spain, or Italy to hold such an inquiry when doping there was systematic and prevalent?

That was to be the next question for buckle, if we ever got past the Lord Saville thing. To ask whether there was sufficient inquiry into the deaths of Weylandt and Casartelli, to ask if any of the deaths helpfully listed on Wiki received an inquiry of the required scale. Or is it believed that it is just the British have a problem with not looking into these things?

The deaths of Casartelli, Weylandt, Kivilev and others were directly due to crashes. And they were investigated, by the UCI and race organisers. However none of their deaths are 100% attributable to doping.

You seriously don't believe that a man dropping dead on the side of the road from taking all of the commonly used PEDs of the day didn't warrant serious investigation? The British weren't the only ones who dropped the ball on Simpson but they did do surprisingly little looking back.

You know this, please stop obfuscating.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Cillian Murphy on that demon doper, the Dark Knight:

Batman in his movies just did a lot of push-ups and was, like, British.

 

[bigcog]

A British guy got 4th in the 200m breathstroke. The commentators were super depressed, barely mentioned any of the medalists yet alone the winner.

They then cut to the swimming analyst who said "he came 4th but a Russian came 3rd so you never know, he could move up, I hope so"

What a disgusting comment

unreal, cold war type cheerleading.

The Russian who medalled has never been implicated in doping.
but its ok to hope his life gets destroyed, because he's russian, just so someone who thanks to the accident of birth grew on the same island as you, could feel a little bit better.

Considering what has been going on since London 2012, the same treatment that Russia is experiencing should be done to GB. Brits are exponentially more ridiculous than russians yet media portaits them as saints. This is just disgusting media practice from brits like they always do.

That would be fair enough if lots of UK sports persons had been caught doping and there was evidence of a high level doping programme involving the likes of MI5 tampering with the doping tests etc like there have been with Russia, but there hasn't been has there unless you believe the Brits are far more clever and devious than the Russians and can get away with it ?

 

[thehog]

A British guy got 4th in the 200m breathstroke. The commentators were super depressed, barely mentioned any of the medalists yet alone the winner.

They then cut to the swimming analyst who said "he came 4th but a Russian came 3rd so you never know, he could move up, I hope so"

What a disgusting comment

unreal, cold war type cheerleading.

The Russian who medalled has never been implicated in doping.
but its ok to hope his life gets destroyed, because he's russian, just so someone who thanks to the accident of birth grew on the same island as you, could feel a little bit better.

Considering what has been going on since London 2012, the same treatment that Russia is experiencing should be done to GB. Brits are exponentially more ridiculous than russians yet media portaits them as saints. This is just disgusting media practice from brits like they always do.

That would be fair enough if lots of UK sports persons had been caught doping and there was evidence of a high level doping programme involving the likes of MI5 tampering with the doping tests etc like there have been with Russia, but there hasn't been has there unless you believe the Brits are far more clever and devious than the Russians and can get away with it ?

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike (& payments) and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe (a Nike athlete) with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

 

[bigcog]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

 

[BullsFan22]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

Riiiiiight. When in doubt, play the USSR/GDR state sponsored doping card...

 

[thehog]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

Systematic? That would be very possible. Just about all doping programs are 'systematic'.

What you mean is 'state sponsored', which in former communist countries forms part of an ideology. In western capitalist counties it's motivated via enablement.

You know this stuff, comparing two vastly different political countries is pointless.

 

[bigcog]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

Riiiiiight. When in doubt, play the USSR/GDR state sponsored doping card...

My mistake, I got this and the Olympics Doping Thread mixed up where someone compared the UK currently to Russia/USSR over the last 40 years.

 

[sniper]

To get gReedie Coe and Clownson in these positions of power was a brilliant move, tbh. Unprecedented. All whilst keeping the press on a tight leash.

 

[BullsFan22]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

Systematic? That would be very possible. Just about all doping programs are 'systematic'.

What you mean is 'state sponsored', which in former communist countries forms part of an ideology. In western capitalist counties it's motivated via enablement.

You know this stuff, comparing two vastly different political countries is pointless.

Not all communist countries involved themselves in 'state sponsored' doping. Though not every communist country was a satellite of the USSR.

A great example would be the former Yugoslavia. No stories or massive suspicions were ever pointed in that direction.

 

[thehog]

Re:

To get gReedie Coe and Clownson in these positions of power was a brilliant move, tbh. Unprecedented. All whilst keeping the press on a tight leash.

That and using British tax money (via UK sport) to support the PR campaign for them to be elected.

 

[thehog]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

Systematic? That would be very possible. Just about all doping programs are 'systematic'.

What you mean is 'state sponsored', which in former communist countries forms part of an ideology. In western capitalist counties it's motivated via enablement.

You know this stuff, comparing two vastly different political countries is pointless.

Not all communist countries involved themselves in 'state sponsored' doping. Though not every communist country was a satellite of the USSR.

A great example would be the former Yugoslavia. No stories or massive suspicions were ever pointed in that direction.

Agreed, what I was demonstrating that via the talent identification programs in soviet state schools through to the specialised sports school allowed for doping program to be centralised and monitored.

In the US it is fostered through the college system and into specialised doping coaches and training squads - The Santa Monica track club comes to mind.

 

[BullsFan22]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Yes, some of that is rather suspect. I doubt that there is an systematic doing programme going on though in the UK like has happened in the past with USSR/GDR, more likely individual athletes doing their own thing.

Systematic? That would be very possible. Just about all doping programs are 'systematic'.

What you mean is 'state sponsored', which in former communist countries forms part of an ideology. In western capitalist counties it's motivated via enablement.

You know this stuff, comparing two vastly different political countries is pointless.

Not all communist countries involved themselves in 'state sponsored' doping. Though not every communist country was a satellite of the USSR.

A great example would be the former Yugoslavia. No stories or massive suspicions were ever pointed in that direction.

Agreed, what I was demonstrating that via the talent identification programs in soviet state schools through to the specialised sports school allowed for doping program to be centralised and monitored.

In the US it is fostered through the college system and into specialised doping coaches and training squads - The Santa Monica track club comes to mind.

Indeed. And I think it's pretty bad that, in the countries that there is no govt or state involvement, where 'supposedly' there is decent drug testing and laws set in place, that even with all of that, a TON of athletes still dope, then that too is a big problem. At least in the USSR, where they didn't have a choice, they took stuff, in the USA and GB you in all likelihood have a choice, yet clubs and teams and individuals still go that direction. Santa Monica track club is a great example, as is the bay area Balco, as is the Oregon Running Project with Salazar who went every possible direction to gain advantages. But where was the USOC and USADA to track that? We know that for a good long while, the USOC notified hundreds of athletes that they had failed tests and they would get those positives swept away, leading at least half of those dopers to win medals at major championships. The govt may not have been involved, but when your Olympic Committee, one that is in charge of ALL Olympic sports and supposedly employs strict WADA and ADAMS rules, does that, on a massive scale, then that IS very systematic.

 

[sniper]

Good point about US and UK athletes actually having a choice yet still choosing to dope.

Counting medals clearly has priority over clean sport.
The way some UK reporters on twitter are absolutely jurking off on seeing Britain be third in the medal table is nuff said.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike (& payments) and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe (a Nike athlete) with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Former MP - so what?
VP of IAAF - so what?
Links to Nike - so what?
Alowed Russian doping - isn't this a repeat of VP of IAAF? Either he knew and was complicit or didn't know and was stupid.
Exonerated Radcliffe - first, you have to establish Radclife's guilt (she's British and won and looks shifty proves nothing), then that shev was frauulently exonerated, then that that was Coe's doing. None of this has ben done.
Reedie - his guilt isn't proven either.

As arguments, your's is weaker than Budweiser.

 

[thehog]

@Bullsfan22

Agreed on all points and to the fact that UK athletes do have a choice, whereas in most soviet state system most didn't even know they were doping.

 

[Brullnux]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike (& payments) and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe (a Nike athlete) with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

Former MP - so what?
VP of IAAF - so what?
Links to Nike - so what?
Alowed Russian doping - isn't this a repeat of VP of IAAF? Either he knew and was complicit or didn't know and was stupid.
Exonerated Radcliffe - first, you have to establish Radclife's guilt (she's British and won and looks shifty proves nothing), then that shev was frauulently exonerated, then that that was Coe's doing. None of this has ben done.
Reedie - his guilt isn't proven either.

As arguments, your's is weaker than Budweiser.

Radcliffe's blood values are beyond suspicious. That's the same method used to find out the amount of Russians positive, so should be used for Radcliffe too. Her's were really, really high, and then she called for a super injunction. That's pretty bad. 'Shifty' is an understatement. Although this has all been discussed at great length in her own thread.

 

[thehog]

Wasn't the organiser of the 2012 Olympics a former member of parliament along with a Vice President of the the IAAF, with links into Nike (& payments) and allowed the Russian doping to occur along with bribes and payments to IAAF members.

He also oversaw he exoneration of Radcliffe (a Nike athlete) with Sir Craig Reddie of WADA.

Perhaps the Brits are cleverer than we thought?

As arguments, your's is weaker than Budweiser.

It wasn't an argument, it was a reply to another post.

And for the record, the original Budwiser is brewed in the Czech Republic and is a very strong well tasting beer. 5.0% abv!

http://www.budvar.cz/en/our-beer/b-original

You do tend to trip on your own shoelaces quite a lot. Next you'll be telling us Marion Jones lied to a Grand Jury and it's the norm, lol!