Brits don't dope?

[sniper]

So Ian Drake is the fall guy.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Re: Re:

UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) today confirmed that amateur cyclist Robin Townsend has been suspended from all sport for four years following an Anti-Doping Rule Violation.

http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/amateur-cyclist-robin-townsend-banned-for-four-years

Modafidil was detected, he claimed to have had his drink spiked, and named the suspect to UKAD

Full decision (redacted in parts)
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6970

He failed to meet the admittedly tough level to have spiking seriously considered. There are certainly some discrepancies in his story.

The back-story to all this is like a soap opera.
http://www.womenscyclingsheffield.org/wctrt-blog.html

Going back a bit, but based on some intelligence, they did a follow-up test on the same urine sample for EPO.

It came back positive.

He gets a 4 year ban for that, to run concurrent with the prior ban, as it was from the same sample. (its not a 2nd positive, you could argue an aggravated first though)

News article:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/amateur-cyclist-robin-townsend-banned-for-epo/

Reasoned decision:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/7245

 

[sniper]

while UKAD may or may not have handled this case correctly, the huge motherfucking mammoth in the room is that Townsend is another tiny whiny fish, whilst Bonar, Sky, Linda McCartney, BC, etc. go uninvestigated.

UKAD are an absolute disgrace. Complicit in doping. I hope somebody exposes them hard.

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

while UKAD may or may not have handled this case correctly, the huge motherfucking mammoth in the room is that Townsend is another tiny whiny fish, whilst Bonar, Sky, Linda McCartney, BC, etc. go uninvestigated.

UKAD are an absolute disgrace. Complicit in doping. I hope somebody exposes them hard.

This ^^^

A small fish hauled in while the big fish swim free!

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

while UKAD may or may not have handled this case correctly, the huge motherfucking mammoth in the room is that Townsend is another tiny whiny fish, whilst Bonar, Sky, Linda McCartney, BC, etc. go uninvestigated.

UKAD are an absolute disgrace. Complicit in doping. I hope somebody exposes them hard.

This ^^^

A small fish hauled in while the big fish swim free!

recall also this from only a few months ago wrt EPO doping in Iten, Kenya:

investigation by German television channel ARD and British newspaper The Sunday Times.
(...)
The new report has also implicated three unnamed British runners, leading to UK Anti-Doping (UKAD) to send two investigators to Kenya to investigate the claims.
http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1039423/kenyan-and-british-athletes-accused-of-using-epo-at-iten-training-camp

 

[Benotti69]

Peter Keen refused to let British Cycling Federation members take part in a doping survey in 1998. Year of Festina.

Brits dont dope.

 

[Darryl Webster]

Posing this question regards the Russian" State sponsored " doping..take a look at the medal tables and pose the question..if Russia has a state sponsored doping program( which it might have)..then why is the "free West" doing so much better across many sports?...Is it seriously believed that "clean" athletes can for the most part outperform athletes supported by a sophisticated State supported doping program. If we believe that we are effectively saying the drugs don`t work . The real story here is the new "Cold War"....its the same story that pitted "Rocky Bilbao against Iven Drago in IV and Rambo against Russia in Rambo III..
.if any country has a sophisticated State "Sponsored" via a National Lottery and Business (thus maintaining a veneer of plausible deniability for the government its Great Britain ...the privatized version of doping...so much more efficient ...lol Its bloody obvious unless of course you believe this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII

The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work

 

[thehog]

Re:

Posing this question regards the Russian" State sponsored " doping..take a look at the medal tables and pose the question..if Russia has a state sponsored doping program( which it might have)..then why is the "free West" doing so much better across many sports?...Is it seriously believed that "clean" athletes can for the most part outperform athletes supported by a sophisticated State supported doping program. If we believe that we are effectively saying the drugs don`t work . The real story here is the new "Cold War"....its the same story that pitted "Rocky Bilbao against Iven Drago in IV and Rambo against Russia in Rambo III..
.if any country has a sophisticated State "Sponsored" via a National Lottery and Business (thus maintaining a veneer of plausible deniability for the government its Great Britain ...the privatized version of doping...so much more efficient ...lol Its bloody obvious unless of course you believe this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII

The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work

You need to watch if Rocky IV really happened: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NyWx1CkMTtI

:razz:

 

[Darryl Webster]

LOL...thats brilliant Hog

 

[TheTibetanHat]

Re:

Since we're dealing in rhetoric, rather than evidence...

Posing this question regards the Russian" State sponsored " doping..take a look at the medal tables and pose the question..if Russia has a state sponsored doping program( which it might have)..then why is the "free West" doing so much better across many sports?

It might be that under such a regime other techniques for improving elite performance are not pursued, or it could be the doping system prevents those with outstanding natural ability from being selected and supported properly. The Russian system seems institutionally corrupt, and it could be that in such a dysfunctional system doped athletes aren't properly supported in other ways. Why invest in the best coaching, if you believe doping is the answer? Wasn't exactly the Russians who came up with the concept of marginal gains* was it?

*yes, it's a thing, some do genuinely exist

 

[Darryl Webster]

That, s an awful lot of may -be,s Tibitan....I guess when the current GB track coach coached the Russian team before returning to the GB team he didn't bother to tell em they were structurally doing it wrong...lol

 

[BullsFan22]

Re:

Posing this question regards the Russian" State sponsored " doping..take a look at the medal tables and pose the question..if Russia has a state sponsored doping program( which it might have)..then why is the "free West" doing so much better across many sports?...Is it seriously believed that "clean" athletes can for the most part outperform athletes supported by a sophisticated State supported doping program. If we believe that we are effectively saying the drugs don`t work . The real story here is the new "Cold War"....its the same story that pitted "Rocky Bilbao against Iven Drago in IV and Rambo against Russia in Rambo III..
.if any country has a sophisticated State "Sponsored" via a National Lottery and Business (thus maintaining a veneer of plausible deniability for the government its Great Britain ...the privatized version of doping...so much more efficient ...lol Its bloody obvious unless of course you believe this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToQ0n3itoII

The Verve - The Drugs Don't Work

You have to remember, the Russians, and only the Russians dope at the systematic, 'state-sponsored' level. The Brits don't do that. They don't dope at all. Not Mo, not Ennis, not Radcliffe, not the Brownlees, not Dawg, not sir Wiggo...

 

[veganrob]

Re: Re:

Since we're dealing in rhetoric, rather than evidence...

Posing this question regards the Russian" State sponsored " doping..take a look at the medal tables and pose the question..if Russia has a state sponsored doping program( which it might have)..then why is the "free West" doing so much better across many sports?

It might be that under such a regime other techniques for improving elite performance are not pursued, or it could be the doping system prevents those with outstanding natural ability from being selected and supported properly. The Russian system seems institutionally corrupt, and it could be that in such a dysfunctional system doped athletes aren't properly supported in other ways. Why invest in the best coaching, if you believe doping is the answer? Wasn't exactly the Russians who came up with the concept of marginal gains* was it?

*yes, it's a thing, some do genuinely exist

You need to study up on what and why certain drugs are used. Then maybe you could answer your own question.

 

[gooner]

The National Lottery funding and "state sponsored" doping is classic spin and nothing of the sort in comparison to what has gone on in Russia.

It's investment in sports to help athletes with the best training personnel and facilities, not knowingly and intentionally doing it to dope their athletes.

This spin is what you read on RT from the likes of Alan Moore and others.

Look at Ireland here with their state sponsored doping.

http://www.sportireland.ie/Media/Latest_News/2015/February/Minister_Ring_Announces_%E2%82%AC19_6m_Investment_For_Irish_Sport_.html

 

[Benotti69]

A country 2.3/4 times larger population than GB and still GB finished higher than State sponsored Russian dopers!!

Something does not add up!

 

[sniper]

Re: Re:

...
It might be that under such a regime other techniques for improving elite performance are not pursued, or it could be the doping system prevents those with outstanding natural ability from being selected and supported properly. The Russian system seems institutionally corrupt, and it could be that in such a dysfunctional system doped athletes aren't properly supported in other ways. Why invest in the best coaching, if you believe doping is the answer? Wasn't exactly the Russians who came up with the concept of marginal gains* was it?

*yes, it's a thing, some do genuinely exist

Your romanticism is well taken.
But the idea that 'better training (facilities)' can trump doping really is outdated.

Michael Gallagher on his experience with EPO:

“It was motivating just seeing those numbers; it was motivating to know you were getting better again,” he said. “I was seeing numbers that were better than I’d seen after 10 or 12 years of training.”
https://cyclingtips.com/2016/12/paralympian-michael-gallagher-opens-up-about-his-epo-doping-its-good-to-not-have-that-secret-any-more/

We've seen dozens of similar accounts in the recent past.

Also, you seem to ignore that the big benefit of doping is that it allows you to train longer and thus better than your clean competitors.

 

[The Carrot]

Argggghhhhh......it's the BBC's 'Winning weekend', culminating tomorrow with Sports Personali T.U.E Of The Year, where the BBC broadcast a National asthmatics' convention congratulating themselves on how they 'rinsed' pesky 'Ivan'. Can't wait.

 

[sniper]

A guy who three independent sources say doped throughout his career, at the very heart of British Cycling's Olympic and road success. Nothing to see here.

 

[Benotti69]

Nicole Cooke had 2 meetings with UKAD to give them information about doping. They took no notes.....obviously because Brits dont dope!

 

[sniper]

Re:

Nicole Cooke had 2 meetings with UKAD to give them information about doping. They took no notes.....obviously because Brits dont dope!

No wonder Russia are still having a systematic doping program up and running, seeing as they are currently being supervised by UKAD

 

[yaco]

An excellent letter by Cooke backed up with a convincing case at the Senate committee - What I found interesting is that you have athletes admitting to using PEDS but yet no action - Had a similar case in Australia full admissions and no cigar - Seems like NADO's are tarred with the same brush.

 

[ontheroad]

Where are Hoy, Boardman, Armistead, Millar etc since the whole furore broke around BC, Wiggins TUE's? Why do we not know their thoughts on these issues. These people are quick to seek the limelight and spin off's that cycling brings but are nowhere to be heard since Autumn.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Where are Hoy, Boardman, Armistead, Millar etc since the whole furore broke around BC, Wiggins TUE's? Why do we not know their thoughts on these issues. These people are quick to seek the limelight and spin off's that cycling brings but are nowhere to be heard since Autumn.

Why should they comment?

 

[sniper]

Well, one could at least argue that it's telling that they don't comment.

Millar especially, as BC's assigned antidoping consultant (or something of the sort), you'd expect him to salute the fact that major flaws in the UK antidoping system were finally publicly exposed and addressed yesterday.

The way NC in her written evidence managed to integrate the Biarritz 2004 episode as a shining illustration of how UK doping legislation is lightyears behind the French, that was sheer brilliance.

 

[King Boonen]

Not really no. Not everyone has to have an opinion and even if they do they're not required to share it.


I thought Millar was part of the CPA? I don't think he has anything to do with BC does he?