Teams & Riders Brothers in (crank) arms - Yates Discussion Thread

[SafeBet]

Bloody shame Adam crashed on the descent today, but shown again that he's absolute class, cresting the final 2.7km 9.5% climb just a couple of seconds down on Jrod and Piti, ahead of anyone else who went up with the peloton.

Yeah excellent performance. And altough he crashed, he did the right thing taking risks to catch Valverde. He knew it was the winning move.

 

[kingjr]

What I like about him, he uses his brain as well as his legs. Too bad he crashed today, but he's gonna win loads in the future.

 

[postmanhat]

Bloody shame Adam crashed on the descent today, but shown again that he's absolute class, cresting the final 2.7km 9.5% climb just a couple of seconds down on Jrod and Piti, ahead of anyone else who went up with the peloton.

I'd assumed it was Simon. But Adam seems to be developing into an all-round climber at an astonishing rate

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

ORICA-GreenEDGE @ORICA_GreenEDGE · 35m
#klasikoa #SanSebastian upd: @AdamYates7 suffered a heavy knock to the chin in his fall & will require stitches but is OK. Report to come.

Good stuff.

Look out Vuelta.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Gutted for Yatesy today, really looked very strong.

I can't wait to see what he's got at the Vuelta!

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Adam Yates ‏@AdamYates7 3h
Damn! Can't remember a thing! Sound like I was on a good one! Bit **** but for sure I'll be back in no time!

 

[postmanhat]

Phew. Thanks a lot for the updates Waterloo!

As if the Vuelta wasn't looking tasty enough already

 

[Pricey_sky]

As expected Adam will ride the Vuelta, he will target stages according to the Orica DS. Also he maybe won't finish the whole 3 weeks like Simon in the Tour. Have to say it's quite sensible, just see what he can do and not burn the young lad out.

 

[Gloin22]

Simon did not finish the Tour,they pulled him out

Anyhow, stage wins are definitely the target. Basically doing the #Barguil of last season.

 

[ILovecycling]

Yeah,it looks like they want stage hunting from him as chavito will be only gc rider (which is not good decision imho)

 

[Akuryo]

Yeah,it looks like they want stage hunting from him as chavito will be only gc rider (which is not good decision imho)

Well, who could predict two month ago, that the Vuelta would be that crowded with almost every top climber there is in the pro peloton right now.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Simon did not finish the Tour,they pulled him out
.

So as I said in the first place Simon did not finish the Tour!

 

[TANK91]

Stupidity this is get out their quick my friend. Not even 21 is he? He should ride no further than 10 days/2nd rest day.

 

[ILovecycling]

Well, who could predict two month ago, that the Vuelta would be that crowded with almost every top climber there is in the pro peloton right now.

thats right
I wrote it cuz I think ist better to go for GC with 2 leaders (yates+chaves) if they are very young.

 

[dirkprovin]

Yeah,it looks like they want stage hunting from him as chavito will be only gc rider (which is not good decision imho)

Your logic escapes me !!! You can't nominate someone as GC rider when in all likelihood, he'll only go half to 2/3 distance (which is sensible for a neo pro who's never raced longer than one week.

Think they'll nominate a degree of support for Matthews for "his stages" otherwise it's "go stage-hunting" with maybe some protection to the bottom of major climbs.

 

[ILovecycling]

Your logic escapes me !!! You can't nominate someone as GC rider when in all likelihood, he'll only go half to 2/3 distance (which is sensible for a neo pro who's never raced longer than one week.

Think they'll nominate a degree of support for Matthews for "his stages" otherwise it's "go stage-hunting" with maybe some protection to the bottom of major climbs.

and how is chaves nominated?he is also young,only a bit older than yates

 

[Bushman]

and how is chaves nominated?he is also young,only a bit older than yates

3 years or so older?

 

[dirkprovin]

and how is chaves nominated?he is also young,only a bit older than yates

Chaves is 24, as against the Yates twins 21. Whilst he missed the 2013 season, he also has at least one full year's greater racing experience at senior level (2012 with Colombia Coldeportes) whereas this is Yates' first year at senior level.

 

[ILovecycling]

Chaves is 24, as against the Yates twins 21. Whilst he missed the 2013 season, he also has at least one full year's greater racing experience at senior level (2012 with Colombia Coldeportes) whereas this is Yates' first year at senior level.

he was injured almost all the time,and coldeportes is not really wt calendar team you know.
pointless discussion here...I just wanted to state that they should have two leaders for gc as one of them can fail or injure.why not to try gc with yates? hell he is young but in worst case he can ride with grupetto after 1st week.whats the problem...

 

[Akuryo]

he was injured almost all the time,and coldeportes is not really wt calendar team you know.
pointless discussion here...I just wanted to state that they should have two leaders for gc as one of them can fail or injure.why not to try gc with yates? hell he is young but in worst case he can ride with grupetto after 1st week.whats the problem...

People are scared the story of Lövkvist will repeat itself: Too many races too early in his carrer. Had some promissing results which he could never reach again. Don't know if he really was overraced in his early years, but it is a theory around here ...

 

[ILovecycling]

People are scared the story of Lövkvist will repeat itself: Too many races too early in his carrer. Had some promissing results which he could never reach again. Don't know if he really was overraced in his early years, but it is a theory around here ...

I know,but its not a risk in hell to ride for gc first 10 days,and if he is feeling good by then and has good GC spot,then continue to the end.

hard to decide for the team I think.

 

[dirkprovin]

I know,but its not a risk in hell to ride for gc first 10 days,and if he is feeling good by then and has good GC spot,then continue to the end.

hard to decide for the team I think.

His brother essentially admitted it was "time to pull the plug" when they did so at 2nd rest day of the Tour. Adam is unlikely to have a high GC placing even if he rides "up to his 2014 form' as:

- the first stage is a Team Time Trial. Whilst OGE is one of the top teams in this discipline, they are not sending many of their "main men" to the Vuelta so there is likely to be a time loss.

- Even if OGE has a good ride; at this point of his career Yates' TTing is a weakish link and he is unlikely to be able to hold-on for race distance if they're going for a good one.

- Stage 10 is a 30km TT. For the reason stated above, he's likely to shed some more minutes.

TBH, both he and Chaves are likely to have shed a far degree of time by half distance. This will probably give them more leeway for breakaways but the main rationale for selecting Yates is getting exposure to GT racing; which is another step up on anything else he's ever raced before. Any success and positive exposure he may gain (as was the case w Simon at the Tour) will be a bonus.

I think OGE will want to get both Yates through the season in sound health and fitness; then they have a preparation for next year which allows for the step up in miles that will equip them to finish a GT.

 

[Luigi_Max]

My reading of the comments about Chaves was that it was a very tentative attempt at GC, more that they will expect him to do his best in all the stages rather than they actually expect him to place too highly. Yates is younger so seems to be riding purely for experience and if he does anything more it would be a huge bonus.

However you never know what could happen, Sebastian Henao rode the whole Giro to finish 22nd and did really well in a couple of the stages late in the race. He is almost exactly a year younger than the Yates brothers.

 

[del1962]

With Simon and the tour, you have to remember he missed a lot of racing due to injury.

 

[dirkprovin]

My reading of the comments about Chaves was that it was a very tentative attempt at GC, more that they will expect him to do his best in all the stages rather than they actually expect him to place too highly. Yates is younger so seems to be riding purely for experience and if he does anything more it would be a huge bonus.

However you never know what could happen, Sebastian Henao rode the whole Giro to finish 22nd and did really well in a couple of the stages late in the race. He is almost exactly a year younger than the Yates brothers.

Fair point re Henao but he already had a year in senior ranks whereas this is essentially Yates' first year out of juniors/amateur ranks. What I expect may happen is that if Chaves/Yates happen to be felling "up for it" on any particular stage, the team may give them maximum protection possible up to "the business end".