Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

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Taxus4a

Taxus4a

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DirtyWorks said:
Meanwhile, your position does not change despite the many facts presented for you to consider.

Are we just supposed to ignore 20 years of scandal and say, "Oh, that Taxus4a is right. I guess the doping problem is solved despite evidence everywhere to the contrary."

That's not a forum, that's an echo chamber.
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First, I said I here to give my opinion, not to convince anybody, so I dont expect what you said.

My opinion of course has changed, you changed when you suddenly know things that are difficult to know for most of the fans by differents sources and you start analysing and get conclusions. I thought like you two years ago. I even didnt like SKY ( nor I hated, not I like a lot today), so I understand people that think like you, and I dont win anything by saying all this (the same as you), and it is not easy to go in a forum againts mainstream, and more if some posters are quite agressive and try to discredit you in a bad way sometimes (it is not your case)

But I will do it, with respect for all the opinions, becouse is what I consider fair.

I dont ignore 20 years of scandals, I was one of the people analyzing cycling and saying Armstrong is a doper a long time ago when some people defend him, but I did in other way, and the evidence was clear, not like now.

For me was hard, as I imagine for most all the fans, to know how cycling worked inside, to know that my idol Mayo, or others before were no so good, how they lied, etc... It was frustrating. And nobody want to have that feeling again, and most of you are in this defensive and skeptic mode, for that reason, and that is normal.

I didnt say the doping problem is solved. I have said today is possible to win a GT been totally clean.

You say there is evidence everywhere to the contrary... and I say there is evidence everywhere that things have changed a lot, and I demostrate day by day that evidence is there or the evidence you mean it is not a big evidence.

And when you say evidence, do you refer to SKY?, What is that evidence?, I have read a lot of things about that supposed evidence, and it is far to be evidence. Evidence is more than that, evidence is when there is no other possible explanations of things, and there is.

One of the evidence againts Lance, it was Hamilton statements, and he said in his book, today everything is different and is mostly clean. Well, we believe people it depends he said, right?

I could say a lot of things and evidences that suits with that affirmation of Hamilton, and I will pleased of disscus that things you consider evidence nothing have changed and SKy is not clean.

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DirtyWorks said:
Haha! We know! They are on their bikes busting their @ss 6 hours a day and the most tested athletes, blah, blah, blah.. Cleanest peloton ever.

What year is this because it feels like oh, maybe 2001?
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DW - T4 is trollin' trollin' trollin' down the highway (looking for adventure!)
 
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del1962 said:
Someone has a different point of view on a discussion forum from the main clinic line, and the trolling accusation comes out, how original, I guess Dave Walsh is trolling
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Nah, Walsh isn't trolling, he's just doing PR.
 
Ripper

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del1962 said:
Someone has a different point of view on a discussion forum from the main clinic line, and the trolling accusation comes out, how original, I guess Dave Walsh is trolling
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Nice try. :D

There's quite a number with different points of view from the "main line" who I do not call trolling. It's not the view, it's the posts and the pattern. You should be able to figure that out.
 
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The Hitch said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-defends-alessandro-ballans-explanation-for-ban

Omerta as they come. Its a disgrace this guy was painted by his nationalistic media as a clean on the quasi racist logic that he wasn't Spanish by birth.
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Looking back at the past decade or so, Evans got pretty lucky. Solid wins, made money, reputation somewhat intact. Perfect "doper" career. Good job Evans, just be careful pushing the luck the next few months.

Btw, Aussies knows a thing or two about the impact of Ozone issues don't they?
 
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The Hitch said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-defends-alessandro-ballans-explanation-for-ban

Omerta as they come. Its a disgrace this guy was painted by his nationalistic media as a clean on the quasi racist logic that he wasn't Spanish by birth.
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Oh Really. Australia is the only country with nationalistic media ? And the handling of Operation Puerto wasn't a disgrace ? Don't think Australian fans blithely accept what the Australian media has to say about it's own. O'Grady, Rogers, Stephens, Hodge, White, et al have made sure of that.
 
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Cadel Evans "doesn't know all the details." Guess he doesn't care much about his team--the team built to support him. Otherwise, he would likely know all the details.

Probably wouldn't be too hard for Cadel to "know all the details." Just a matter of getting on the phone and talking to teammates or management. But Cadel has apparently not done that. Guess he doesn't care. Maybe it slipped his mind.

Guess "the details" are just not that important to Cadel. Surprising to me, though. I thought Grand Tour contenders were very detail-oriented.
 
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Guess "the details" are just not that important to Cadel. Surprising to me, though. I thought Grand Tour contenders were very detail-oriented.
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Too much Sky cool-aid. If I had a GC contender I'd shield them as much as possible and let them focus on training and racing.
 
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So all GC riders check the the doping cases of other riders ? I thought they would be busy with their families when they get some time off. Evans would know some of it for sure but maybe not all of it. And from a personal point of view no on would want to see friends and team mates being sacked.
 
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MarkvW said:
Sorry, no offense! Of course Cadel is a clean champion! The cleanest!

Just because his teammates are dirty is no reason to sully his immaculate name.
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Sorry Mark but that's a bit silly.

The previous posts weren't about whether Cadel is clean, but about your comment that Cadel should have known everything about what Ballan was doing in private.

Do you know everything that your work colleagues are doing in private, particularly as part of their treatment for medical conditions or part of drug use (legal or otherwise)?

I'll bet both of my balls that you don't and particularly where it comes to medical issues, I'll bet that unless you are a medical officer working for your company, that you know virtually zero about the medical treatment's and other medical aspects of your colleagues; and if you picked up a phone to ask someone, you'd be told where to go pretty quickly.

Why is a cycling team's structure any different to other workplaces where people work closely together?
 
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The Hitch said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/evans-defends-alessandro-ballans-explanation-for-ban

Omerta as they come. Its a disgrace this guy was painted by his nationalistic media as a clean on the quasi racist logic that he wasn't Spanish by birth.
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I don't really have an objection to Cadel's comments, I would imagine he knows Ballan was ill between 15 March 2009 and 6 June 2009 and right in the middle of that he had 8 treatments over 14 days where 200ml of blood was taken out immediately put back in after undergoing some sort of treatment. That doesn't raise flags to you as indicating someone is sick rather than trying to dope?

I'm actually pleased Cadel has an opinion on this and was willing to go on record rather than just tow the no comment line.
 
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MarkvW said:
Cadel Evans "doesn't know all the details." Guess he doesn't care much about his team--the team built to support him. Otherwise, he would likely know all the details.

Probably wouldn't be too hard for Cadel to "know all the details." Just a matter of getting on the phone and talking to teammates or management. But Cadel has apparently not done that. Guess he doesn't care. Maybe it slipped his mind.

Guess "the details" are just not that important to Cadel. Surprising to me, though. I thought Grand Tour contenders were very detail-oriented.
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What a load of cr.p. Yes, I'm sure being detail-oriented constitutes knowing everything about a teammate's possible suspension.
 
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It's funny that at the time when sky were recruiting and Ballan was linked to the team, Dave B smugly told Sky that Ballan was undesirable for various reasons - yet was naive when recruiting Leinders, Barry etc.
 
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