Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[movingtarget]

You mean the lack of a thorough investigation into Davis' involvement?

All of it. Quite a few athletes will count themselves lucky when that's wrapped up. I suppose the appeals won't amount to anything or is it still going ?

 

[The Hitch]

Oh, I was hoping for more fanboy stupidity of the kind we saw before or the kind I saw on twitter where among other arguments are - Cadel must be clean because Ferrari dopers get better results, and - Evans was clean because he gained time in the tts.
(same tts that were won by Vino, Levi and Schumacher )

 

[Ferminal]

All of it. Quite a few athletes will count themselves lucky when that's wrapped up. I suppose the appeals won't amount to anything or is it still going ?

You missed the point... anti-doping in Australia is just as farcical (if you want to use those words) as it is in [insert country here] at the national fed/NADO level. Criticising what happened in Spain since Puerto is very rich unless you believe the judiciary has not correctly upheld the law.

 

[gillan1969]

Sorry Mark but that's a bit silly.

The previous posts weren't about whether Cadel is clean, but about your comment that Cadel should have known everything about what Ballan was doing in private.

Do you know everything that your work colleagues are doing in private, particularly as part of their treatment for medical conditions or part of drug use (legal or otherwise)?

I'll bet both of my balls that you don't and particularly where it comes to medical issues, I'll bet that unless you are a medical officer working for your company, that you know virtually zero about the medical treatment's and other medical aspects of your colleagues; and if you picked up a phone to ask someone, you'd be told where to go pretty quickly.

Why is a cycling team's structure any different to other workplaces where people work closely together?

eh...how many reasons do you want? The pro peleton is a very very very very (I could go on) small group of the worlds best cyclists. they compete with each other physically and they have a hell of a long time in each others company throughout the year (e.g. Landis joking with Periro in the bunch about PEDS). They have interconnected soigneurs managers and mechanics. Its a travelling circus and a very, very very (you get the picture) small world. It is its own community and lives by its own rules which is why a culture such as doping could end up being so endemic and so normal. Arguably the same is true at the top of the banking industry.

Cadel would 'know' what Ballan was up to.....

 

[Ferminal]

eh...how many reasons do you want? The pro peleton is a very very very very (I could go on) small group of the worlds best cyclists. they compete with each other physically and they have a hell of a long time in each others company throughout the year (e.g. Landis joking with Periro in the bunch about PEDS). They have interconnected soigneurs managers and mechanics. Its a travelling circus and a very, very very (you get the picture) small world. It is its own community and lives by its own rules which is why a culture such as doping could end up being so endemic and so normal. Arguably the same is true at the top of the banking industry.

Cadel would 'know' what Ballan was up to.....

To be fair maybe not specifics, didn't ride with "Ale" all too often.

 

[Taxus4a]

Yesterday the first group 40 km /h in a flat and sort stage at sea level...

Táchira, really tough mountain stage at 2000 metros sea level, more than 37 km/h after one week race...

No more to say.

 

[the sceptic]

Yesterday the first group 40 km /h in a flat and sort stage at sea level...

Táchira, really tough mountain stage at 2000 metros sea level, more than 37 km/h after one week race...

No more to say.

They had a headwind in TDU

 

[oldcrank]

Sorry, no offense! Of course Cadel is a clean champion! The cleanest!
Just because his teammates are dirty is no reason to sully his immaculate name.

That is what many people say about Gregory James Lemond,
although without the implied sarcasm of your post.

Do you think that Mr. Lemond is also 'guilty by association'
my friend?

 

[MarkvW]

Ii

That is what many people say about Gregory James Lemond,
although without the implied sarcasm of your post.

Do you think that Mr. Lemond is also 'guilty by association'
my friend?

Evans implicitly vouched for Ballan. That's what got me going.

 

[pmcg76]

eh...how many reasons do you want? The pro peleton is a very very very very (I could go on) small group of the worlds best cyclists. they compete with each other physically and they have a hell of a long time in each others company throughout the year (e.g. Landis joking with Periro in the bunch about PEDS). They have interconnected soigneurs managers and mechanics. Its a travelling circus and a very, very very (you get the picture) small world. It is its own community and lives by its own rules which is why a culture such as doping could end up being so endemic and so normal. Arguably the same is true at the top of the banking industry.

Cadel would 'know' what Ballan was up to.....

Well over 1000 riders based in different countries is not really that small. There was indeed a time when most riders knew what everyone else was doing, I think those days are gone and doping has become a much more private thing. I would imagine doping takes place mostly outside of races so riders are not as well tuned in anymore.

There is probably as much gossip in the pro peloton as there is here and I think JV might have alluded to that before. I think most riders can guess who is doping but its just that, an educated guess. That why many of them would have strong suspicions of people but don't speak out.

I talked to a pro once about a renowned dirty team who this rider would have raced with regularly over several seasons. He said they were most likely all dirty on that particular team, I then asked about a specific rider on that team who claimed to be clean. The response I got was "Ok I would believe him but I don't have any idea tbh". He then thought of another rider on the same team who might have been clean as well.

Pro Tour squads are so big, I am sure there are riders who hardly race with each other all years and others who are tired of looking at each other. I don't think it's a given that Evans would know what Ballan was doing unless they were working with the same doctor or training together.

 

[Benotti69]

I think Evans is a fluent Italian speaker so he knows pretty much all the details that have been reported in the Mantova investigation. He knows that the Ozone is the tip of the iceberg. So defending Ballan is omerta. Ballan is in for much more than ozone and to defend a doper one must be a doper.

 

[The Hitch]

Evans is fluent in Italian. His first interview in the stripes in Mendrisio was in Italian not English.

In fact, maybe he speaks it better than he speaks English

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rtAjwzRxq_w&desktop_uri=/watch?v=rtAjwzRxq_w

 

[Granville57]

I don't think it's a given that Evans would know what Ballan was doing unless they were working with the same doctor or training together.

Nah. After all, what are the chances?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Nah. After all, what are the chances?

Great, we got just about everybody covered here: North Americans, Europeans and the really deep south.

 

[BroDeal]

Great, we got just about everybody covered here: North Americans, Europeans and the really deep south.

When McQuaid said riders from southern cultures could not be trusted, everyone assumed he meant countries like Italy. He actually meant countries way way more south than Italy.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

When McQuaid said riders from southern cultures could not be trusted, everyone assumed he meant countries like Italy. He actually meant countries way way more south than Italy.

Dr McQuaid argues gravity pulls dope down south, a well known chemical law.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

George Hincapie's veins were not an image I needed to be reminded of.

 

[Archibald]

When McQuaid said riders from southern cultures could not be trusted, everyone assumed he meant countries like Italy. He actually meant countries way way more south than Italy.

like being raised in a south african culture?

 

[Captain Serious]

If the "Hey! Aussies don't dope!" thing was still alive at all in recent years, O'Grady sure killed it.

Plenty of people were gobsmacked when golden boy was busted

 

[doolols]

*cough* “Cadel was obviously flying,” Porte said. “I tried to go with him, but in the hairpins, he just rode away, and there’s not much you can do.”

Maybe Cadel sees hope for the more senior riders after what Horner did last year in the Vuelta. Will there be an 'oops - wrong hotel' moment in Australia?

 

[Ferminal]

Yes how dare he go 1% quicker than the glorified rouleur Geraint Thomas.

 

[doolols]

I was thinking that he did well to cycle away from Porte who, himself, has been a oft-discussed subject in this forum. And Evans, extremely poor all last year, and on his way down, suddenly finds power and speed to take the lead in his local race? Maybe cycling really is an old man's sport.

And didn't I read a prediction that Thomas would be giant killing this year? Maybe that was another of the Clinic's predictions re: Sky that didn't quite come true.

 

[Taxus4a]

I think he is clean and he has today more option to win le Tour de France than 5 years ago, and of course, 10 years ago.

He is one of the few that was able to be in the top been clean in a dark era. He and Sastre, maybe no more. But in that era he has to work in Telekom as Sastre had to work for Basso. He wanst lucky.

I think we will have Evans for 4 years more in a hight level, as well as Purito. Evans is wrong if he think tour de France is now out, he must go there instead the Giro. Evans is better with hot weather.

Both of them are endurance riders. It is surprising how in more explosive stage as yesterday Evans is clearly better than Porte and Gerrans, but Evans is really good.

 

[Taxus4a]

I was thinking that he did well to cycle away from Porte who, himself, has been a oft-discussed subject in this forum. And Evans, extremely poor all last year, and on his way down, suddenly finds power and speed to take the lead in his local race? Maybe cycling really is an old man's sport.

And didn't I read a prediction that Thomas would be giant killing this year? Maybe that was another of the Clinic's predictions re: Sky that didn't quite come true.

Evans is not in his way down, you can have good and bad years, no more.

It is like to say that Tejay Van Garderen is on his way down.

Evans, with bad weather and with a mecanical problem, was podium of the Giro. He was in Oman, becouse hot weather suit him well, cin the fight with Froome, Contador, Purito and Nibali.

Cyclist have problems in his carees and sometimes take a time to pass them...

Evans had a virus two years ago in the tour.. las year he was recovering, so he wanst in his top. He is not very reliable, becouse sometimes tou expect him and he is really bad, but he use to be in a good level in every race he do, since he started cycling.

As well Evans had a health problem in the Giro 2010.

It is similar for Andy, he had a problem at the same time that Evans, and take a time recover for a hight cycling level.

I see yesterday a similar Voigt than ever...he is 42, so I think Evans has time to show the potential he coudnt really show in the dark era, when he could get big results all the year (he was even best CQR rider), but he cant beat some riders.

Anyway there are very good riders today as Quintana, Froome or Nibali, so it would be difficult, becouse the best age is always around 30...but you can be similar at 40, you just need the willing.

 

[Franklin]

Evans is not in his way down, you can have good and bad years, no more.

Anyway there are very good riders today as Quintana, Froome or Nibali, so it would be difficult, becouse the best age is always around 30...but you can be similar at 40, you just need the willing.

If only nature worked like that