Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[blackcat]

but he is remarkably free of any links to doping. where are the connections to doping doctors? the suspicious blood values? the huge turnarounds in form after rest days? they aren't there.

that he had a relationship with ferrari is known, because he bragged about it to others in the peloton. this was not a hill climb and lactate test for the good doctor that his manager prescribed.

but if you read his tweets, or the stenographers in australian media and sbs, he only had that lactic acid test and power weight on behalf of rominger where he saw ferrari.

why lie about it now, as aldo sassi was predominantly his coach for most of his career.

 

[observer]

that he had a relationship with ferrari is known, because he bragged about it to others in the peloton. this was not a hill climb and lactate test for the good doctor that his manager prescribed.

but if you read his tweets, or the stenographers in australian media and sbs, he only had that lactic acid test and power weight on behalf of rominger where he saw ferrari.

why lie about it now, as aldo sassi was predominantly his coach for most of his career.

who did he brag to and what was he saying? I've never heard this rumour before. Certainly could change a persons perspective of Cadel.

 

[delbified]

that he had a relationship with ferrari is known, because he bragged about it to others in the peloton. this was not a hill climb and lactate test for the good doctor that his manager prescribed..

i also have not heard this. would be interested in further info.

one possibility is that cadel doped early on, then went clean. of course, anything is possible.

 

[blackcat]

i think it was Michael Barry who said he didn't get any advantage out of doping, due to the additional stress offsetting any physiological benefits. there is good evidence Lance had a particular character and personality that allowed him to shut that out - he didn't seem to lose sleep over his doping and lies.

how about the world champs in canada that igor astarloa won. the doping did not stress out barry then, he almost won. or if it did, he may have won if he was not doping.

 

[blackcat]

i also have not heard this. would be interested in further info.

one possibility is that cadel doped early on, then went clean. of course, anything is possible.

well, anecdotally, in his first Giro where he wore the maglia rosa for mapei, the mapei people were saying it was such a good result because they did not have him on anything.

 

[blackcat]

who did he brag to and what was he saying? I've never heard this rumour before. Certainly could change a persons perspective of Cadel.

i am the only australian with a ferrari inside me(him)

 

[delbified]

how about the world champs in canada that igor astarloa won. the doping did not stress out barry then, he almost won. or if it did, he may have won if he was not doping.

who knows? i can only repeat what i read he said.

as a (very) amateur competitive cyclist, i have no doubt that the pressures of life have a huge impact on a rider's performance. managing your life affairs is an integral part of building strong form on the bike.

 

[Ferminal]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/05/the-secret-pro-2/

Doesn't want to join the arms race, not worth it.

 

[Spectacleur]

You seem to have selectively taken a handful of comments (though you havent told us what these comments are) on Contador and Evans from apparently 1 or 2 pro riders, then procceeded to interpret these comments (whatever they are and whoever made them) as the general perceptions of the entire peloton towards those 2 riders and formed conclusions on that.

What riders were scathing of Contador. Furhtermore which ones were scathing of him before he got caught?

Which of these riders then praised Evans? Do these riders have some sort of history in praising clean riders and refusing to praise doped ones?

How do you explain away positive comments riders have towards say Menchov or Cunego.

And how would these riders even know if Evans is clean to start with?

no offence, but your theory makes absolutely no sense. There arent more people praising Evans than other riders, if there were that wouldnt mean they thought he was clean and if they did, they wouldn't really know if he was clean.

Yep. Evans is not praised in the same way as Moncoutié for instance.

 

[delbified]

Yep. Evans is not praised in the same way as Moncoutié for instance.

out of interest - who praises Moncoutie?

 

[peterst6906]

To my knowledge, Big George was spoken of fairly highly in the peleton.

I don't think the way a person is spoken about in public says much about their potential doping habits and while I certainly hope Evans is clean, I can't be sure.

 

[Spectacleur]

out of interest - who praises Moncoutie?

Delgado for instance : http://www.lefigaro.fr/cyclisme/201...PO00441-les-trois-glorieuses-de-moncoutie.php

 

[Netserk]

well, anecdotally, in his first Giro where he wore the maglia rosa for mapei, the mapei people were saying it was such a good result because they did not have him on anything.

He could still be on his own.

Wouldn't surprise me if he started in his MTB days.

 

[Spectacleur]

To my knowledge, Big George was spoken of fairly highly in the peleton.

I do not have the same feeling.

 

[delbified]

people - i meant spoken of highly as a clean rider, not in a general sense.

Evans has won many plaudits for that. the article from Delgado just talks generally about Moncoutie's riding achievements. it's not what i meant.

 

[Spectacleur]

people - i meant spoken of highly as a clean rider, not in a general sense.

Evans has won many plaudits for that. the article from Delgado just talks generally about Moncoutie's riding achievements. it's not what i meant.

Moncoutié was considered by other riders (including P. Gaumont) as a clean rider.

 

[Spectacleur]

who did he brag to and what was he saying? I've never heard this rumour before. Certainly could change a persons perspective of Cadel.

It will be interesting to see his performances analyzed in 21 Counts : http://www.alternativeditions.com/21-counts/21-profiles/

 

[rata de sentina]

i am the only australian with a ferrari inside me(him)

evans has a similar perverse humour and eccentric prose as yourself, so if true, i'm not reading much into it

 

[peterst6906]

I do not have the same feeling.

Too bad. Everything out there indicates he was pretty respected in the peleton.

quotes like this:

He’s one of the most likable and trusted icons in the professional cycling community,...

source: http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/10/but-what-about-hincapie/

Plenty of other quotes available too. Obviously doped to the eyeballs, so no link between likeability and cleanliness.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Too bad. Everything out there indicates he was pretty respected in the peleton.

quotes like this:



source: http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/10/but-what-about-hincapie/

Plenty of other quotes available too. Obviously doped to the eyeballs, so no link between likeability and cleanliness.

Liking equals respecting?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt Wiggins the 2007 version ranted on Vino while stating in the same rant how a nice guy Vino was?

 

[delbified]

Moncoutié was considered by other riders (including P. Gaumont) as a clean rider.

that's not in dispute. the point of contention is over whether Moncoutie received more plaudits for his clean riding than Evans and if so, does that raise doubts over whether Evans rode clean?

 

[rata de sentina]

that's not in dispute. the point of contention is over whether Moncoutie received more plaudits for his clean riding than Evans and if so, does that raise doubts over whether Evans rode clean?

Personally I do not think you should bother to confront such a ridiculous argument. Some ideas deserve to be starved of oxygen since they have originated in a brain that seems to have suffered the same fate at some time in the past.

 

[peterst6906]

Liking equals respecting?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt Wiggins the 2007 version ranted on Vino while stating in the same rant how a nice guy Vino was?

Yeah no problem. Go back to my original word - respected/respecting/etc.

Purpose either way doesn't change: just because people show respect or say nice things about you, doesn't mean you're not a doper.

 

[Panda Claws]

Is that quote ("I have a ferrari inside me") really all you have to link Cadel to Ferrari?

 

[Nick777]

well, anecdotally, in his first Giro where he wore the maglia rosa for mapei, the mapei people were saying it was such a good result because they did not have him on anything.

This is a true story.