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Captain's analysis of Garmin blood data

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Dear Wiggo

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Dave and Wiggo are suspicious. CVV the most normal.

http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/33887615744/millar-vande-velde-wiggins-hejedal-blood-data

Millar
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259209927392890880/photo/1/large

CVV
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259215047916662784/photo/1/large

Wiggins
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259213824958283777/photo/1/large

Ryder
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259216009918038016/photo/1/large
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He beat me to it - been looking forward to asking how David MIllar's blood values can increase from pre-season all the way through to TdF. Makes no sense at all.
 
Ryo Hazuki

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Dear Wiggo said:
He beat me to it - been looking forward to asking how David MIllar's blood values can increase from pre-season all the way through to TdF. Makes no sense at all.
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hemaeglobine can increase by sickness or getting lots if iron preparates. or just random who knows? it's not as if these guys are riding non stop 365 days. then it would be abnormal yes, like in a gt rising hamaeglobine
 
Dear Wiggo

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Ryo Hazuki said:
hemaeglobine can increase by sickness or getting lots if iron preparates. or just random who knows? it's not as if these guys are riding non stop 365 days. then it would be abnormal yes, like in a gt rising hamaeglobine
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Plasma expansion vs Off season. No, it does not increase through the year and halfway into the Tour. His last reading is July 17 2008 - that's halfway through the Tour, when he scores his highest Hgb value and lowest retic% for the year. His lowest Hgb is when he has his highest retic% - in the off season.

Did you even look at the graph or the linked article?
 
Ryo Hazuki

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I answered how they can increase from pre-season to the start of the tour. after that is doubtful it's possible I agree. still where graphs come from?
 
Dear Wiggo

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I answered how they can increase from pre-season to the start of the tour. after that is doubtful it's possible I agree. still where graphs come from?
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Plasma expansion disagrees with you entirely.
 
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sniper

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Interesting stuff.

On a side note, the Rabobank director today hit the nail on the head: "we have become convinced that cycling is unable to clean itself up", he was quoted as saying.
Is there still anybody left who believes in JV's clean cycling talk?
And it's not as if JV didn't know a few months back how dirty cycling still is.
He knew, and yet he chose to spout BS about clean cycling and marginal gains.
:rolleyes:
 
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Tyler'sTwin said:
Dave and Wiggo are suspicious. CVV the most normal.

http://captaintbag.tumblr.com/post/33887615744/millar-vande-velde-wiggins-hejedal-blood-data

Millar
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259209927392890880/photo/1/large

CVV
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259215047916662784/photo/1/large

Wiggins
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259213824958283777/photo/1/large

Ryder
http://twitter.com/captaintbag1/status/259216009918038016/photo/1/large
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and the last studies Ashenden conducted on blood doping and microdosing, he could not recognise the group from the placebos.
 
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blackcat

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sniper said:
Interesting stuff.

On a side note, the Rabobank director today hit the nail on the head: "we have become convinced that cycling is unable to clean itself up", he was quoted as saying.
Is there still anybody left who believes in JV's clean cycling talk?
And it's not as if JV didn't know a few months back how dirty cycling still is.
He knew, and yet he chose to spout BS about clean cycling and marginal gains.
:rolleyes:
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it would be good if Arbiter->BanProCycling->Polish->et.al. handles, could come back as

"marginal gains".

I might be able to forgive him then for the flood of sockpuppets and handles
 
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blackcat

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Dear Wiggo said:
He beat me to it - been looking forward to asking how David MIllar's blood values can increase from pre-season all the way through to TdF. Makes no sense at all.
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aaach, but it makes perfect sense.
 
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Parker

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Look at that blog. It's poorly presented and even more poorly argued by an anonymous person. Yet you beleive it because it fits your prejudices. Look at blogs by proper (named) scientists, such as the Science in Sport guys to see how proper scientists present their work. It's just nonsense.

It's just crap written by someone who seems to have no idea what he's talking about.
 
hrotha

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Parker said:
Look at that blog. It's poorly presented and even more poorly argued by an anonymous person. Yet you beleive it because it fits your prejudices. Look at blogs by proper (named) scientists, such as the Science in Sport guys to see how proper scientists present their work. It's just nonsense.

It's just crap written by someone who seems to have no idea what he's talking about.
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Don't dismiss him just because you don't get his shtick. It's not poorly argued, and he's credible enough that JV decided to share Hesjedal's data with him. Of course, he can make mistakes, and JV and apparently Ashenden disagree with his assessment, but that doesn't mean it's crap just because the writer uses a gimmick.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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Parker said:
Look at that blog. It's poorly presented and even more poorly argued by an anonymous person. Yet you beleive it because it fits your prejudices. Look at blogs by proper (named) scientists, such as the Science in Sport guys to see how proper scientists present their work. It's just nonsense.

It's just crap written by someone who seems to have no idea what he's talking about.
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i am assembling studies links to back up my presentation.

it is fortunate that you find captainbag poorly argued and krebs cycle convincing. it confirms your consistency.

this is a great time. festina is upon us, and we have a chance to show the redemption tour is as true to the pattern as last time, thanks to anti-social media.

domino effect is what we need.
 
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Parker

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hrotha said:
Don't dismiss him just because you don't get his shtick. It's not poorly argued, and he's credible enough that JV decided to share Hesjedal's data with him. Of course, he can make mistakes, and JV and apparently Ashenden disagree with his assessment, but that doesn't mean it's crap just because the writer uses a gimmick.
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No he's not credible. I know scientists, I was one, and sports scientists. None of them present their work like that. Nobody with the sufficient academic qualifications to correctly interpret blood values would present work like that. Ever. It would be embarrassing. It would be embarrassing to a school student. He may have conned someone into giving them their blood values, but he's a joke.
 
Dear Wiggo

Dear Wiggo

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I don't think I've said anything about Krebs Cycle. .
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no, not directly. and yet when presented with opportunity... ?

*crickets*

same as acoggan and KC when armchair uttered something silly.

*crickets*

the great thing about telling the truth? consistency regardless of memory.
 
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Parker

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hrotha said:
He can. He won't. Again, it's his shtick. If you can't understand this, I can't help you.
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So a scientist who presumably wants his opinions to taken seriously choses to blog as though he is a teenage stoner. I don't think so.

If Einstein had presented his theory of relativity in the same way, I don't think people would have taken him seriously.

Time is not the same.
Space is not the same.
Light is the same.
Is what I see what you see?
Energy and mass are they the same thing?
Not normal.
 
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