Carlos Betancur discussion thread

[movingtarget]

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two days in row participating in the breakaway only means he's getting better and better. keep going Bananito, keep slimming down that fat azz of yours

If he keeps going like this with breakaway after breakaway,he'll not finish this Giro.He should target a stage win and that's it,spare his efforts and concentrate on this goal.

Maybe he thinks he is riding for a contract after all of the negative talk about him. But of course most of the negative talk is well deserved. Unless he is just trying to ensure a spot in the Tour team. He might be better to just target one stage instead of showing he can be dropped on every stage !

 

[Bushman]

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two days in row participating in the breakaway only means he's getting better and better. keep going Bananito, keep slimming down that fat azz of yours

Slimming down or fat azz has nothing to do with his current "performance" ...

hint ... there is quite a few slim guys in the pro peloton that cant climb $H!T ...

Because those riders dont have an ounce of the talent Betancur has.

 

[Banana_Joe]

It's kind of funny: When he was totally out of shape and always very far behind everyone, the criticism was not that hard.

He starts to improve. I see no problem in joining the break two days in the row before the rest day. His perfomances also were ok. The first stage he worked way too much in the flat section and was cooked before the final began, but looked at least good before. And yesterday he was pretty good. He was the only one who followed Tiralongos attack, but wasn't able to stay on his wheel when he accelerated again.

Because of his rides there would be an option to go for the mountains jersey as well, but I don't know if this could be an additional plan for him besides a stage win.

In general nothing changed: even if he starts to feel better now, it's still all about him. The first part of the season was almost mest up (don't matter what will happen in the rest of the giro), because he wasn't ready to race when he came to europe. When he goes to Colombia after the Giro and stays in shape, the rest of his season could be on his best level again.... But we have to wait to see, if he can handle his weight and stay in shape.

 

[IndianCyclist]

It's kind of funny: When he was totally out of shape and always very far behind everyone, the criticism was not that hard.

He starts to improve. I see no problem in joining the break two days in the row before the rest day. His perfomances also were ok. The first stage he worked way too much in the flat section and was cooked before the final began, but looked at least good before. And yesterday he was pretty good. He was the only one who followed Tiralongos attack, but wasn't able to stay on his wheel when he accelerated again.

Because of his rides there would be an option to go for the mountains jersey as well, but I don't know if this could be an additional plan for him besides a stage win.

In general nothing changed: even if he starts to feel better now, it's still all about him. The first part of the season was almost mest up (don't matter what will happen in the rest of the giro), because he wasn't ready to race when he came to europe. When he goes to Colombia after the Giro and stays in shape, the rest of his season could be on his best level again.... But we have to wait to see, if he can handle his weight and stay in shape.

He will be in top form in the last stage of the Giro. He returns to Colombia. He will gain 5 kg and lose 50 watts. Back to square one. Then he will line up for Vuelta. He will get in top form at the end of stage 21 of the Vuelta. Repeat Cycle.

 

[Sasquatch]

He'll win one of the stages in the third week.

 

[Banana_Joe]

He will be in top form in the last stage of the Giro. He returns to Colombia. He will gain 5 kg and lose 50 watts. Back to square one. Then he will line up for Vuelta. He will get in top form at the end of stage 21 of the Vuelta. Repeat Cycle.

I don't know if he will messing it up that much again.

How long can he stay in Colombia? Let's say six weeks. Of course you can mess up some shape in this time, if you really take it easy and eat way too much, but I doubt that he will again miss his flight and getting "sick" and so on. He has over 50 days of racing in his legs when he returns. Gonna be a hard task to mess this up in a couple of weeks.

Something in my mind tells me that he is starting to realize, he has to take care of his child, earn money for his family and for that reason he has to be in shape and deliver. Only time can tell. If it's getting worse again you can blame my for my good will.

 

[aarononymous]

If you guys pool together a few hundred bucks I'll gladly go to Colombia and keep an eye on him, even have a place to stay in Ciudad Bolivar. I'm fine with his progression, you're not going to go from losing 20 minutes on flat stages a few months ago to fighting for GC in a GT. Yes I'd love to see him win a stage, don't know if that's going to happen though. But he sounds pretty optimistic and better him riding into shape and getting a top 30 on a stage than following wheels to get maybe 15th place? He's fighting right now, not quitting.

 

[jens_attacks]

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If you guys pool together a few hundred bucks I'll gladly go to Colombia and keep an eye on him, even have a place to stay in Ciudad Bolivar. .

nah you would end up spending the money betting on cocck fight alongside carlos...

 

[Jancouver]

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two days in row participating in the breakaway only means he's getting better and better. keep going Bananito, keep slimming down that fat azz of yours

Slimming down or fat azz has nothing to do with his current "performance" ...

hint ... there is quite a few slim guys in the pro peloton that cant climb $H!T ...

Because those riders dont have an ounce of the talent Betancur has.

Talent is talent. Same as slimming down. No rider ever won anything just for being "talented".

Its amazing how many forum members are blindfolded or simply dont understand the basic cycling principles.

Even if you are slim and talented you still need the basic F+F=F

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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two days in row participating in the breakaway only means he's getting better and better. keep going Bananito, keep slimming down that fat azz of yours

Until he becomes a precocious Thomas Vockler and can only win from the break. Not that I think Betancur will get another win in his career, no.

like you thought lawson craddock had a shot at winning california. I'm still trying to breath from all the laughing

 

[damian13ster]

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two days in row participating in the breakaway only means he's getting better and better. keep going Bananito, keep slimming down that fat azz of yours

Until he becomes a precocious Thomas Vockler and can only win from the break. Not that I think Betancur will get another win in his career, no.

like you thought lawson craddock had a shot at winning california. I'm still trying to breath from all the laughing

Yeah, like you said that Henao will have absolutely no poblems with winning the MTF and GC and then he ended up losing to puncheur and sprinter in GC. I am still rolling on the ground and laughing

 

[DBotero]

3rd break this Giro,Betancur is crazy.Today at least he arrived 2nd in the stage but since nobody can compete with Zakarin i think is a good result.Impressive performance really,he's come a long way let's see if he can do more.

 

[jens_attacks]

sestriere stage winner
tomorrow could be for him too but he might be tired

 

[HelloDolly]

Betencur ...(Gummy Bear) could have won today but for Zakarin and Betencur crashed also ...so he s coming along nicely

Needs to target stages rather than going in every break....but you have to hand it to him he is going for it and making up for months of burgers & beers.... There are alot of one days races in Augustt he could target and for goodness sake don't anyone let him back to Columbia until the season is over and maybe not even then

 

[carton]

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sestriere stage winner
tomorrow could be for him too but he might be tired

And he had 40 days of racing in his legs before the Giro. So probably. We'll see, he's obviously got his sights on blue.

Needs to target stages rather than going in every break....but you have to hand it to him he is going for it and making up for months of burgers & beers.... There are alot of one days races in Augustt he could target and for goodness sake don't anyone let him back to Columbia until the season is over and maybe not even then

Colombia. Spell it with me: Colombia.
Yeah, I don't know what the right approach is. I've heard he's getting a lot more off-race support from AG2R, which should help keep him more stable. Hard to keep him from ever going back home, though.

 

[BigMac]

Too bad the Tour of Beijing is gone. At this rate he might have had a chance in it.

 

[ILovecycling]

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sestriere stage winner
tomorrow could be for him too but he might be tired

And he had 40 days of racing in his legs before the Giro. So probably. We'll see, he's obviously got his sights on blue.

Needs to target stages rather than going in every break....but you have to hand it to him he is going for it and making up for months of burgers & beers.... There are alot of one days races in Augustt he could target and for goodness sake don't anyone let him back to Columbia until the season is over and maybe not even then

Colombia. Spell it with me: Colombia.
Yeah, I don't know what the right approach is. I've heard he's getting a lot more off-race support from AG2R, which should help keep him more stable. Hard to keep him from ever going back home, though.

still less terrible than when Rai had it with U


edit: big chance for Carlos from the group tomorrow

 

[proffz]

he has performed o really better than the most optimistic prevision.
he is surprising.
he is like the cyclist of 30 years ago, finding the form while racing.
great talent, it is really a pity that he has no work ethics.

 

[hfer07]

Is FATancur finally becoming Carlos Betancur?

Really impressive his latest performances- he seems to have learnt the hard truth and is highly motivated to prove wrong his detractors (including me)

 

[Jancouver]

Carlos is fat but he is not stupid. He knows that he cant climb with the best climbers so his only option is to get in the breaks and hope for some luck.

As I have posted few days back, being slightly bigger these days, he should focus on "sprinting" from a smaller group like today ... the only way to achieve some results ATM.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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Carlos is fat but he is not stupid. He knows that he cant climb with the best climbers so his only option is to get in the breaks and hope for some luck.

As I have posted few days back, being slightly bigger these days, he should focus on "sprinting" from a smaller group like today ... the only way to achieve some results ATM.

I can't believe you still dare to post in this topic since all the bs you posted before has been proven bs now that betancur is imrpoving so much day to day. you must be scared like hell he can follow the climbers in the final week

 

[movingtarget]

Betancur should be in good shape for the Tour and does seem to be showing signs of improvement. One of his breaks might pay off before the end of the Giro.

 

[Popchu]

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Carlos is fat but he is not stupid. He knows that he cant climb with the best climbers so his only option is to get in the breaks and hope for some luck.

As I have posted few days back, being slightly bigger these days, he should focus on "sprinting" from a smaller group like today ... the only way to achieve some results ATM.

Interesting to see how you change your way of posting in this topic. You know you were wrong, but you don't want to admit it (yet).

 

[Jancouver]

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Carlos is fat but he is not stupid. He knows that he cant climb with the best climbers so his only option is to get in the breaks and hope for some luck.

As I have posted few days back, being slightly bigger these days, he should focus on "sprinting" from a smaller group like today ... the only way to achieve some results ATM.

Interesting to see how you change your way of posting in this topic. You know you were wrong, but you don't want to admit it (yet).

Oh please, at least quote something from any of my posts in this thread that would support your bs theory.

Just throw it at my face. I cant wait

 

[HelloDolly]

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sestriere stage winner
tomorrow could be for him too but he might be tired

And he had 40 days of racing in his legs before the Giro. So probably. We'll see, he's obviously got his sights on blue.

Needs to target stages rather than going in every break....but you have to hand it to him he is going for it and making up for months of burgers & beers.... There are alot of one days races in Augustt he could target and for goodness sake don't anyone let him back to Columbia until the season is over and maybe not even then

Colombia. Spell it with me: Colombia.
Yeah, I don't know what the right approach is. I've heard he's getting a lot more off-race support from AG2R, which should help keep him more stable. Hard to keep him from ever going back home, though.

Here is something for you to spell .... 'typing mistake'
And while you are at it get a sense of humour .....It was a joke about keeping Betencur away from Colombia

Betencur on the ground again today
Can't see Betencur in the Tour with Peraud, Bardet, & Pozzo and all the French Ag2R riders already lined up...hence I said the one day races in August ...