Whether he dopes or not, the Bartoli connection suffices to know his stance on former dopers
I think he's been bashed for that plenty of times?
I think he's been bashed for that plenty of times?
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The Hitch said:A theory that makes no sense since the speeds he is climbing at show he could win the TDF even if others were doping.
Grupetto1 said:"When I was young, I always wanted to watch it, inspired by [Lance] Armstrong and [Santiago] Botero." Wonder how badly Wiggins would get crucified if he said this not Betancur
The Hitch said:Betancur is talking about when he was young. Long before he would have known Armstrong doped. He said he was his inspiration. How is that comparable to someone who knew Armstrong doped, defending him, working with him, becoming best friends with him, bullying people who dare speak up against him, while claiming to be fighting for clean cycling
Some people seem tragically devoid of logic. A rider hailed as some anti doping hero gets legitimately attacked for taking the side of the biggest doping fraud in history, and bitter wiggins fanboys spend the next years digging up any quote that contains the words "Lance" or "Armstrong", and regardless of what is actually being said, trying to force comparisons with what Wiggins did to make it look accidental or normal or whatever.
I still remember del digging up a quote from Pinnoti where he attacks Armstrong for being a doper, editing out a bunch of words and presenting the edited version to make it look like Pinotti was "praising lance just like wiggins"
The fact that so many of the believers, at least on here, are either a) dishonest or b) devoid of logic, (whicever it is) simply reinforces my belief that Sky are doping.
Ps, I didn't bring up wiggins in this thread.
Grupetto1 said:"When I was young, I always wanted to watch it, inspired by [Lance] Armstrong and [Santiago] Botero." Wonder how badly Wiggins would get crucified if he said this not Betancur
gmedina said:so why not enjoy their talent until something concrete comes out.
Grupetto1 said:"When I was young, I always wanted to watch it, inspired by [Lance] Armstrong and [Santiago] Botero." Wonder how badly Wiggins would get crucified if he said this not Betancur
Ryo Hazuki said:no. I know 100% quintana is clean. anyone that knows saldarriaga even slightly and knows his opinion about quintana and doping I suppose would think the same. also quintana's own opinion about doping is strong but he's not anglophone type attention ***** constantly shouting he's clean(garmin) which only adds to his believability to me. betancurt is very close in talent to quintana. maybe even on par. they are different type of riders. but betancurt was always incredible rider. I see nothing suspicious in him.
Wiggins wasn't 15 years old in 2005, so you would expect him to get grilled and rightfully so.Grupetto1 said:"When I was young, I always wanted to watch it, inspired by [Lance] Armstrong and [Santiago] Botero." Wonder how badly Wiggins would get crucified if he said this not Betancur
Grupetto1 said:"When I was young, I always wanted to watch it, inspired by [Lance] Armstrong and [Santiago] Botero." Wonder how badly Wiggins would get crucified if he said this not Betancur
DirtyWorks said:Is it talent? How do you know? Remember this is a sports federation that actively protected a sports fraud. This is also a sport with national federations that have protected their doped athletes too. Meanwhile, the federation and everyone involved on the money end want desperately to hang onto the idea a vaguely fair game is being played. When it is very likely not the case.
Finally, one of the many, many problems with doping is the consequences of uncontrolled human experimentation aren't known until some time much later.
Is uncontrolled human experimentation what the cool kids are doing these days?
Ripper said:That's fine that you like NQ. I've noted I do not find him suspect. I've only commented on Betancur, who you keep calling betancurt and find nothing suspicious about (which makes me suspicious that you might be smoking crack)
Yeah right, Mr "Colombians-don't-dope-in-Europe-because-patriotism".Ryo Hazuki said:I"m sure I know much more about colombian doping scene than you will ever do so it's useless for you to try and get your head around this.
Ryo Hazuki said:I"m sure I know much more about colombian doping scene than you will ever do so it's useless for you to try and get your head around this.
DirtyWorks said:Is it talent? How do you know? Remember this is a sports federation that actively protected a sports fraud. This is also a sport with national federations that have protected their doped athletes too. Meanwhile, the federation and everyone involved on the money end want desperately to hang onto the idea a vaguely fair game is being played. When it is very likely not the case.
Finally, one of the many, many problems with doping is the consequences of uncontrolled human experimentation aren't known until some time much later.
Is uncontrolled human experimentation what the cool kids are doing these days?
Parrulo said:Oh the good old racism card. . . you seem to be under the impression that people around here think Costa "rode for Abarca now rides for Saroni and Maxtin" is clean.
There is no discussion about it because no one will defend him.
Between Nairo just itt'd faster than Contador, Kreuziger and Peraud, i am guess i am being a racist for saying that is a performance worthy of someone riding for Abarca.
gmedina said:oh man....henao sidelined by sky over questionable values
zigmeister said:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/does-colombias-anti-doping-stand-up-to-scrutiny
I guess this means NO. They should not be considered clean. And now with some revelations with Heneo etc..and other S.american/Columbians getting busted this year....we have answers.
zigmeister said:http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/does-colombias-anti-doping-stand-up-to-scrutiny
I guess this means NO. They should not be considered clean. And now with some revelations with Heneo etc..and other S.american/Columbians getting busted this year....we have answers.