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thehog said:
Greenedge? Good cobbles team at beck and call and undisputed leadership in any race he wants to contest.
In some ways I enjoy the fact that Cancellara doesn't have the team support he deserves, it evens things up a little. Like Contador at Astana vs Schleck at Saxo.
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El Pistolero said:He already lost 3 Monuments because of it, how is that not a bad thing?
Come on. He "loses" monuments because he is marked like no other. He gets somebody in a break with Van Summeren in PR last year... What's he gonna do, chase his teammate? EVERYBODY knows who the über strong guys are.
Take a hard look at BMC. If you are Hushovd, marked as he will be, what are his chances at Roubaix? Not BMC's, but Hushovd. You think pulling a Mapei is going to happen? He will mark two or three guys. He will try and follow and hope for a sprint from a small group. Canc and everyone else knows this and can't tow him to the line because of it. Same with Boonen.
Same with MSR.
I think guys like Cancellara,Boonen and Hushovd are better off on a team of strong guys not a bunch of potential winners. Same with Cancellara. Whether or not RNT can keep guys with him to the finale remains to be seen, but he does not need a co-leader or two.
Interesting comments from Nibali.
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/03/news/nibali-sagan-on-falling-short-at-milan-san-remo_209689
Anybody care to guess what he meant here?
http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/03/news/nibali-sagan-on-falling-short-at-milan-san-remo_209689
Anybody care to guess what he meant here?
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Parrulo said:
Um, I do not think we'll be praising the Liqui tactics in MSR because they do not work. Everyone knows Nibs will attack on the Poggio, but he himself has said he cannot sprint. It was a gamble with very poor odds, and what a surprise, Liqui took 3rd and 4th.
I think Sagan should close down some gaps in the next stage race they're in ... gaps on his team mate
If what I read is correct, Sagan crossed the line 2 seconds down on Gerrans... Can't even think about playing cat and mouse with the chasers that close... Swerve like a mad man and put Gerrans in the barriers, then say you were drunk on lactic acid.
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I don't have the original interview anymore, but it came in yesterday's la Gazzetta dello Sport.Scott SoCal said:
At any rate, Nibali was referring to the team tactic as planned during the group meeting the morning of the race perhis allotted assignment: namely, to go eyeballs out on the Poggio and try to slip away. I distinctly recall him also congratulating his team mate for the initial burst on the Poggio to soften up the competition, and that he would have preferred to make his move earlier on the climb, however the strong headwind ruled that out.
When he attacked and effectively got away (thus here is what he means by "did everything right"), with the disadvantage, however, of having Gerrans and Sparticus as break-away companions, so he knew at that point that all was for naught, because he realized he had no chance of winning against those two in an eventual sprint.
Finally the part about "I'm no sprinter..." was, and he stated this as well, conditioned by the fact that he is a climber: "Being a climber," Nibali said, "I can't be a sprinter as well."
A fair and honest assessment, therefore, and I see no arrogance whatsoever in anything he said. Just sincerity before the brutal reality of the facts, as they played out at the end of his Milano San Remo.
I cannot believe the hate for Gerrans on this forum. The people carrying on about Gerrans not deserving the win makes no sense whatsoever. Gerrans won fair and square using his abilties best. He summed it up and quickly realised he was the best sprinter of the three, all he then needed to do was to get to the finish with the other 3 in fair shape and it was his. This is not unlike FC who tried to use his strength to his advantage by riding Gerrans and Nibali off his back wheel (he just wasn't quite good enough on this occassion) and Nibali's ability up the hill to try and ride away with it. It just came down to Gerrans executing it better and of course a bit of luck with Goss being back in the peleton.
To the ridiculous post suggesting Gerrans should be dissapointed with the way he won as he wasn't the strongest is a fool. Sport is littered with people/teams on a weekly basis not being the strongest on the day but taking the win. Do you suggest they all hand their victories back?
To the ridiculous post suggesting Gerrans should be dissapointed with the way he won as he wasn't the strongest is a fool. Sport is littered with people/teams on a weekly basis not being the strongest on the day but taking the win. Do you suggest they all hand their victories back?
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buster1 said:
Take it easy mate. No hate for your boy, not on my part at least.
But if we have to be honest, and we have to be honest, his win was thanks to the effort of Nibali first and Cancellara (above all) second, without them he doesn't win. Period.
Now we can sit here and whine about what is simply the bald truth, but that doesn't change the facts. And as we are here to talk cycling, and everything about what unveiled in the last thrilling moments of Milano San Remo, we must admit that Gerrans played the opportunist to perfection, and even applaud him for doing so and in being able to sieze the moment as they say (for that's cycling too) to take the victory as he did. However, to cry about it, as you do here, simply because some of us recognize that the strongest rider didn't win, is not only foolish, but is playing the soar winner (which is never noble). Whereas to call us "haters" and to come to his defense, means you need to get a reality check as well as something better to do in life.
So take it easy and just enjoy that Gerrans overcame his adversaries. At any rate, he should buy Nibali a couple of bottles of fine champagne and Sparticus a new car.
I think the entire peloton is aware by now that taking pulls with Cancellara is both very hard, and unnecessary if you want to win the race. The entire peloton, save for one or two stupid riders, would have ridden exactly the same way.
I am enjoying this banter around gerrans win. I dared to suggest the two pronged GE attack of Goss and Gerrans on the MSR race thread to little or no support. Congrats to whoever at Greenedge brought Gerro across from the Paris/Nice group at the last minute to join the MSR assault. Matt White clearly laid out the plans for the team so they should have been no surprise to anyone. Maybe GE are not being enough respect in the peleton?
Just a bit on Gerrans this year. He won the Aussie road title by making a similar break where he was the 'Cancerella' and towed along Matt Lloyd as Lloyd wasn't strong enough to keep the charging Porte at bay. He won TDU of course and had the very entertaining head to head with Valverde on Willunga Hill where he got a little critisicsm for going a bit early on his sprint and on a return bout with Valverde at PN came from a 'mile' back to miss by inches....dare I say the strongest rider that day but placed second. My point is he is in great form, the team is being underestimated, he has ridden with great variety to suit different situations. Well done Gerro and great ride by Canc, he would be a two time MSR winner now if not for pesky Aussies
Just a bit on Gerrans this year. He won the Aussie road title by making a similar break where he was the 'Cancerella' and towed along Matt Lloyd as Lloyd wasn't strong enough to keep the charging Porte at bay. He won TDU of course and had the very entertaining head to head with Valverde on Willunga Hill where he got a little critisicsm for going a bit early on his sprint and on a return bout with Valverde at PN came from a 'mile' back to miss by inches....dare I say the strongest rider that day but placed second. My point is he is in great form, the team is being underestimated, he has ridden with great variety to suit different situations. Well done Gerro and great ride by Canc, he would be a two time MSR winner now if not for pesky Aussies
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Wilba60 said:I am enjoying this banter around gerrans win. I dared to suggest the two pronged GE attack of Goss and Gerrans on the MSR race thread to little or no support. Congrats to whoever at Greenedge brought Gerro across from the Paris/Nice group at the last minute to join the MSR assault. Matt White clearly laid out the plans for the team so they should have been no surprise to anyone. Maybe GE are not being enough respect in the peleton?
Just a bit on Gerrans this year. He won the Aussie road title by making a similar break where he was the 'Cancerella' and towed along Matt Lloyd as Lloyd wasn't strong enough to keep the charging Porte at bay. He won TDU of course and had the very entertaining head to head with Valverde on Willunga Hill where he got a little critisicsm for going a bit early on his sprint and on a return bout with Valverde at PN came from a 'mile' back to miss by inches....dare I say the strongest rider that day but placed second. My point is he is in great form, the team is being underestimated, he has ridden with great variety to suit different situations. Well done Gerro and great ride by Canc, he would be a two time MSR winner now if not for pesky Aussies
Well stated.
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@ Wilba60 and Rhubroma: I agree. Well put.
@ Zam_Olyas: Great article. Thanks. I had completely stopped checking VeloNews. Maybe I should give them a go more often.
@ Zam_Olyas: Great article. Thanks. I had completely stopped checking VeloNews. Maybe I should give them a go more often.
Zam_Olyas said:
Best article I have read by Tan for ages. Sometimes he writes some pretty mediocre stuff but this was good. Thanks.
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