ContadorÂ’s legal team hit back at WADA report

[Señor_Contador]

No, he's saying Contador didn't dope. Therein lies the beauty of this.

Now you're beginning to see my point.

He's just tested positive for clenbuterol.

Which doesn't mean he's doped.

Capisci?

 

[Altitude]

Now you're beginning to see my point.

He's just tested positive for clenbuterol.

Which doesn't mean he's doped.

Capisci?

But you do believe that Aldirto was clean, no?

 

[hrotha]

Now you're beginning to see my point.

He's just tested positive for clenbuterol.

Which doesn't mean he's doped.

Capisci?

I got your bogus point from the beginning. Care to address my previous post (#123)? Thanks.

 

[Señor_Contador]

I like what you say. Also mobile blood banks, like savings and loans. For a small percentage the banks could add a little extra!

I'm dead serious. Unless... 1) respect for cycling is restored and 2) cyclists fight back, the sport is dead. Completely dead. If you think you can have WADA doing as they please, the media pointing out what we already know... the sport is going to die. Sponsors are going to leave the sport.

 

[Señor_Contador]

But you do believe that Aldirto was clean, no?

When he tested positive? Yes. His Tour form went down big time in 2010. He either stopped his cycles early or did not dope at all.

I really do not know.

 

[webvan]

No Bertie the whiner is going to leave the sport and it will be a better place after that, he got lucky too many times, it made everyone sick, other racers, cycling fans, etc..his saving grace was to have stood up to LA last year, god knows what he had to take for that though.

 

[Señor_Contador]

Why do you want to essentially legalize doping, when you seem to think doping is not much of a problem, since a clean Contador can win three Tours in four years? Landis, Pereiro, Armstrong, Pantani, Ullrich, Riis (I won't mention Indurain in case that causes you to explode or something) were dirty. Surely those antidoping tests have improved things to the point where your knight in shining and clean armour Contador could dominate the Tour. So why go back now?

I'm not saying we have to legalize doping, doping is already here, in all sports. What I'm saying is very clear: Treat all doping issues in cycling the same way they are treated in every other sport, internally.

If you allow WADA to treat cycling like the sports world's doormat... they'll gladly do so because that's how they make their money, by catching dopers. So to them it's a snowball thing... the more dopers they catch the more they see. And on, and on, and on.

Frankly I'd love to see my tax dollars spent on something else, like building roads and schools and shelters for the poor and things alike. I certainly DO NOT approve of a prosecutor spending 100 million dollars on trying to find out if Lance or Alberto injected substance x in árse y.

 

[flicker]

When he tested positive? Yes. His Tour form went down big time in 2010. He either stopped his cycles early or did not dope at all.

I really do not know.

My guess is that Fran the accountant made Alberto go on a low budget doping program exclusive of Astanas doping program. Without proper monitoring by MDs the clen hadn't properly disappeared and unfortunatly Alberto transfussed clen. Live and learn Bert!

 

[Señor_Contador]

My guess is that Fran the accountant made Alberto go on a low budget doping program exclusive of Astanas doping program. Without proper monitoring by MDs the clen hadn't properly disappeared and unfortunatly Alberto transfussed clen. Live and learn Bert!

That's a posibility too, though the amount he was busted for is something to laugh at.

 

[flicker]

I'm not saying we have to legalize doping, doping is already here, in all sports. What I'm saying is very clear: Treat all doping issues in cycling the same way they are treated in every other sport, internally.

If you allow WADA to treat cycling like the sports world's doormat... they'll gladly do so because that's how they make their money, by catching dopers. So to them it's a snowball thing... the more dopers they catch the more they see. And on, and on, and on.

Frankly I'd love to see my tax dollars spent on something else, like building roads and schools and shelters for the poor and things alike. I certainly DO NOT approve of a prosecutor spending 100 million dollars on trying to find out if Lance or Alberto injected substance x in árse y.

I agree lets move on to the future. Let Lance and Bert enjoy their glory. I think you are wrong though Conti, everything you have said has been going on in cycling for a long long time.

 

[bike_framed]

...he got lucky too many times, it made everyone sick...

Clearly it doesn't make Señor_Contador sick.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I'm not saying we have to legalize doping, doping is already here, in all sports. What I'm saying is very clear: Treat all doping issues in cycling the same way they are treated in every other sport, internally.

If you allow WADA to treat cycling like the sports world's doormat... they'll gladly do so because that's how they make their money, by catching dopers. So to them it's a snowball thing... the more dopers they catch the more they see. And on, and on, and on.

Frankly I'd love to see my tax dollars spent on something else, like building roads and schools and shelters for the poor and things alike. I certainly DO NOT approve of a prosecutor spending 100 million dollars on trying to find out if Lance or Alberto injected substance x in árse y.

Wow - WADA build roads and schools, how do they find the time?

WADA is not paid with 'tax dollars' - it is funded by the IOC and they are not paid on the amount of positive tests that come about nor indeed do they even sanction athletes.

 

[Benotti69]

Listen gumbah, you guys are doing the same when you say that Alberto Contador doped. so I'm just dumbing it down and returning the same rhetoric to you.

Hey Burro! Rhetoric, they found a banned substance that should not be there, cause it's banned. Dumbing down? like most of your posts

Oh please! Like Kimmage is not getting a lot of publicity from dragging cycling through the mud!

As i recall he doesn't get paid for dragging a sport he professes to love through the mud. He could easily have done a Bill strickland and made money on the fraud that the sport was and appeas to still be, compliments of Alberto.

Yeah, but testing positive for something does not mean you doped. It only means you've tested positive.

Testing positive for a banned substance is testing positive, ie doping

Doping has always been present is modern cycling and all sports. It's not a question of eradicating doping. It's a question of managing doping. This was well established until people like Kimmage started popping up telling us about what we already knew and blasting cyclists left and right.

so 'doping has always been present' but testing positive for a banned substance is not doping.

and you already knew what Kimmage was telling us? so why did you not make loads of money and become rich by telling everyone before Kimmage made oh so much money on a little book published years ago. you could've have sponsored Team Contador all on your own.

 

[bike_framed]

you could've have sponsored Team Contador all on your own.

If things worked the way Señor_Contador wanted there would be no journalists writing about doping so he wouldn't have the money to sponsor a team.

 

[Oldman]

That's a posibility too, though the amount he was busted for is something to laugh at.

He was busted by a test more sensitive than he thought available when he banked the blood, I'll bet. That doesn't change the level of cheating; just the level of detection.

 

[BotanyBay]

My guess is that Fran the accountant made Alberto go on a low budget doping program exclusive of Astanas doping program. Without proper monitoring by MDs the clen hadn't properly disappeared and unfortunatly Alberto transfussed clen. Live and learn Bert!

I'd imagine that much of the politics over what big stars to bring into a team such as Saxo Bank, RadioShack, etc, has to do with the integration and management of doping programs.

 

[theswordsman]

Two stories hit this morning about meat in Spain. Excerpts are via Google Translate.

"The World Anti-Doping Agency has not contacted us to do research on the meat you tell me," he told AS Directorate of Public Health of the Basque Government through its press office.

El portavoz de la institución calificó de "implanteable" que la AMA hubiera pedido carne a los carnicerías de Irún para hacer sus análisis. The spokesperson of the institution called "implant" that the AMA had asked the butcher's meat to make their analysis Irun. "Somos nosotros los únicos capacitados para realizar esos controles y los venimos haciendo regularmente. No es descartable que hayan adquirido el producto, como cualquier otro ciudadano, y hayan hecho sus análisis. Pero en todo caso, esos análisis no son oficiales, pues tienen que realizarse a través de nuestro departamento", añadió. "We are the only ones trained to perform such controls and have been doing regularly. Do not be discarded that have purchased the product, like any other citizen, and have done their analysis. But in any case, these tests are not official, it must done through our department, "he added.

http://www.as.com/ciclismo/articulo/gobierno-vasco-dice-ama-ha/20101120dasdaicic_2/Tes

You say.

Quiero denunciar que en España se importa carne contaminada con clembuterol procedente de Suramérica y que Contador sólo es un chivo expiatorio. I want to report that Spain clenbuterol-tainted meat imports from South America and that Contador is just a scapegoat. Me da rabia, porque parece que es un buen chaval y, además, yo fui ciclista. I'm angry because it seems to be a good guy and also I was cycling.
Explíquese, por favor. Explain, please.

Mire. Look. La Unión Europea firmó un acuerdo con Mercosur, el mercado común suramericano, para importar 20 millones de toneladas de carne en tres años para los 27 países europeos. The European Union signed an agreement with Mercosur, the South American common market, importing 20 million tons of meat in three years for 27 European countries. A España, que es un país deficitario en carne, le corresponden como mínimo dos millones de toneladas. In Spain, which is sufficient in meat, obtained at least two million tons. Y tienen que saber que en Suramérica no está prohibido engordar el ganado con clembuterol. And they must know that in South America is not forbidden fattening cattle with clenbuterol.
Pero tendrán que pasar controles, ¿no? But it will take checks, right?

Me gustaría a mí ver esos controles. I would like for me to see those controls. Es muy fácil. It is very easy. Mandan un primer lote correcto y, tras los controles, el grueso de la partida. Sent a first batch right and, after checks, the bulk of the game. O lo arreglan con un soborno. Or arrange with a bribe. Yo tuve un familiar que fue inspector de Sanidad y me dijo que no había nada que hacer. I had a relative who was inspector of health and told me there was nothing to do.

http://www.as.com/ciclismo/articulo/espana-importa-carne-clembuterol/20101120dasdaicic_1/Tes

 

[GJB123]

Let me put it this way. It's possible that Contador is clean but it's also possible he doped. Now which seems more likely? If you would have to bet 1000 euros of your own money, which would you choose?

That sentence really says it all. Yes, it is possible he doped (perhaps even likely), but as long as it is also possible he (or any cyclist) didn't dope he shouldn't get punished. You don't punish people on a possibility and a likelihood.

Regards
GJ

 

[hrotha]

That sentence really says it all. Yes, it is possible he doped (perhaps even likely), but as long as it is also possible he (or any cyclist) didn't dope he shouldn't get punished. You don't punish people on a possibility and a likelihood.

Regards
GJ

Hmm, you punish people on a possibility and a likelihood all the time. You can never prove anything 100% even with a video recording and a signed confession. It's all about the "beyond reasonable doubt" thing.

 

[El Pistolero]

That sentence really says it all. Yes, it is possible he doped (perhaps even likely), but as long as it is also possible he (or any cyclist) didn't dope he shouldn't get punished. You don't punish people on a possibility and a likelihood.

Regards
GJ

In Belgium you do.

If I was Contador I'd just say I ate something at the Macdonalds. They buy all their cheap meat in South-America and you don't want to know what these farmers use on their cattle. They put up a modern Latifundia system there if you ask me. It's disgusting.

If a tenisser can get of the hook by saying he tested positive because he kissed a girl than sure as hell the Macdonalds excuse must work. Only problem is the fact that cycling is threated unfairly to other sports when the subject is doping.

 

[GJB123]

Hmm, you punish people on a possibility and a likelihood all the time. You can never prove anything 100% even with a video recording and a signed confession. It's all about the "beyond reasonable doubt" thing.

Yes, but under normal circumstances the burden of proof is not reversed. The accuser has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. In cycling (and sports in general), the accused has to prove he didn't do anything wrong beyond a reasonable doubt. I hope you see the the difference. Adding to that, proving you have not done something illegal is a far more difficult burden of proof.

Regards
GJ

 

[c&cfan]

Two stories hit this morning about meat in Spain. Excerpts are via Google Translate.



http://www.as.com/ciclismo/articulo/gobierno-vasco-dice-ama-ha/20101120dasdaicic_2/Tes



http://www.as.com/ciclismo/articulo/espana-importa-carne-clembuterol/20101120dasdaicic_1/Tes

theswordsman

they dont care about your post..
they dont care about the fact that fooling the tests in the meat industry is more easy than raping a 100year old and unable to move lady.
they dont care about the fact that that dose of clen cant be seen as doping since it has no performance effect
they dont care about the fact that contador deserves special atention because he is simply the best stage racer ever (he deserves that atention (the good one and not only the bad one) because he is better)
they dont care about laws. they dont care about the fact that contador was the only one tested to the 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 level lol
they dont care about the fact that the meat we eat in europe (not only the meat that IS produced here) is to clen what cycling was to epo in the 90s

they want contador down simply because they want to.
they dont like contador simply because he is the best and even at 90% he can win a tour.

they prefer someone that is only good at the tour, has a brother (very close brother)that was linked to cera and epo whose father is some sort of dealer.
they need to believe that contador is using something and that's why the riders that they choose to like cannot win.

almost all of classic and sprinting riders are clean.
some (a few) gt riders are not and they only take drugs to recover (obviously that some stupid persons like ricco were trying something to get a direct performance boost).

by the way, dont forgect that the meat industry is not like vino.. they wont openly use drugs knowing that they will be "hard" tested.

please, enjoy cycling, the best sport with the best performers.

 

[RdBiker]

Well, you're wrong. Come to the US and take a test after you've had a nice, juicy, steak. I can guarantee you'll test positive for, at least, 3 banned substances.

I think the meat was from Spain so it doesn't matter if US cattle has 152 banned substances in them.

Again, that's a posibility, but unless they can prove that that's the case that's "unadmissible evidence" from where I'm standing.

I think it's Contador's job to prove that the meat had Clenbuterol in it if the tests carried out by the EU already show that clenbuterol use is not widespread in European cattle. Do you say that the EU should've tested every single animal for Clen for you to believe them?

Precisely. And that's where the "innocent until PROVEN guilty" part comes in.

Ehm, it's PROVEN that he had Clenbuterol in his system. They don't have to prove that he was blood doping since he already got busted for a banned substance. So it would be more like "Guilty unless proven innocent"

Alberto is innocent.

And you are willing to bet money on that?

 

[Ferminal]

theswordsman

they dont care about your post..
they dont care about the fact that fooling the tests in the meat industry is more easy than raping a 100year old and unable to move lady.
they dont care about the fact that that dose of clen cant be seen as doping since it has no performance effect
they dont care about the fact that contador deserves special atention because he is simply the best stage racer ever (he deserves that atention (the good one and not only the bad one) because he is better)
they dont care about laws. they dont care about the fact that contador was the only one tested to the 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 level lol
they dont care about the fact that the meat we eat in europe (not only the meat that IS produced here) is to clen what cycling was to epo in the 90s

they want contador down simply because they want to.
they dont like contador simply because he is the best and even at 90% he can win a tour.

they prefer someone that is only good at the tour, has a brother (very close brother)that was linked to cera and epo whose father is some sort of dealer.
they need to believe that contador is using something and that's why the riders that they choose to like cannot win.

almost all of classic and sprinting riders are clean.
some (a few) gt riders are not and they only take drugs to recover (obviously that some stupid persons like ricco were trying something to get a direct performance boost).

by the way, dont forgect that the meat industry is not like vino.. they wont openly use drugs knowing that they will be "hard" tested.

please, enjoy cycling, the best sport with the best performers.

Interesting how you defend someone who has an A and B positive, but basically accuse someone just because their brother paid a gynecologist for some training advice he was hoping to receive.

 

[Señor_Contador]

I agree lets move on to the future. Let Lance and Bert enjoy their glory. I think you are wrong though Conti, everything you have said has been going on in cycling for a long long time.

No it hasn't.

There is no respect for cycling at all. Imagine the French (or any other) authorities giving soccer or basketball the same treatment they give to cycling?

Remember what happened to Pantani, who never tested positive in competition? Virenque literally getting his anus searched for testosterone vials? Et cetera.

Both Pantani and Virenque made many, many people happy with their attacks and victories. WADA and all these witchhunters make me sick! So riders decide to dope to go up Alpe D'Duez? So f*cking what? I drink coffee to get me through the day.