Aguirre said:People like you are killing the sport.
Nobody's killing nobody, nobody's killing nothing, but at least one can aspire honesty.
AC was on Fuente's list.
Good luck denying that.
AC's "nunca, jamas" is a joke, really..
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Aguirre said:People like you are killing the sport.
I refuse to take any blame for killing the sport while the ones who are doping and/or enabling the dopers walk away scot-free. Regardless, I'm explaining how De Andrés was soft on Contador, so my own position is irrelevant to the discussion.Aguirre said:well, it seams both we speak the same lenguage or are able to understand. I will never defend De Andrés who I find being a weak journalist, but your arguments are just partial, saying what you say it means the following: the system is perfect, the laws are fine, the UCI makes a brilliant job and cyclist are always guilty.
I'm following closely your editorial line on doping and wonder you never, never defend any, any rider. Never. People like you are killing the sport.
You represent the complete antagonistic figure than Carlos De Andrés, but same problem remains
I assume that you, like me, are from Canada so let's look at the top sports in Canada. National Hockey League: testing is a joke. The league don't want to know about it and neither does the public. Better to have a crap testing program and say everything is fine. Canadian Football League: no testing until recently but common knowledge that doping takes place. Major League Baseball: long history of doping. University Football: University of Waterloo suspends football team due to doping.ridecanada said:Spain has produced more cheaters in the last 5 years than any other country. How would you explain it? Their governing body does little to stop it, they do even less to punish those involved.
Its a culture of cheaters.
Derukeman said:Contador's attitude is disgraceful at the very least. He's complaining about his treatment..it's laughable...he does nothing for his teammates, more likely, he's concerned with Alberto. Say whatever you want about Lance, he at least suffered for his teammates to win...just ask Levi in California
flicker said:Lance is a team player period. He has improved the lives of many his teamates and his super fans like me. chapaue Lance Contador Grrr!
ridecanada said:Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.
You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.
Why was his body filled with plasticizers?
The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.
Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.
Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.
I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
ridecanada said:Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.
You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.
Why was his body filled with plasticizers?
The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.
Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.
Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.
I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
bike_framed said:I assume that you, like me, are from Canada so let's look at the top sports in Canada. National Hockey League: testing is a joke. The league don't want to know about it and neither does the public. Better to have a crap testing program and say everything is fine. Canadian Football League: no testing until recently but common knowledge that doping takes place. Major League Baseball: long history of doping. University Football: University of Waterloo suspends football team due to doping.
Would you also say we have a culture of cheaters?
You have to be careful with what you say. In my country we have corruption at the top just like in any other country, but you can not trash all their people because of that.ridecanada said:Spain has produced more cheaters in the last 5 years than any other country. How would you explain it? Their governing body does little to stop it, they do even less to punish those involved.
Its a culture of cheaters.
Hugh Januss said:Oh yeah? Well I think you guys up there are small potatoes compared to the PED use that goes on in American football. Just so they don't feel left out why don't we throw in English and Italian football (soccer to us) and how about Aussie Rules or Rugby.
Actually let's just say that any sport where PEDs give an advantage and there is money to be made is most likely rife with cheating.
Actually if what I have heard about US masters racing and Euro Grand Fondos is even 1/2 true I guess we can take money out of the equation.
But those dirty Spaniards are really the only ones who are cheaters.
veganrob said:You are going to trash an entire nations culture because of what Contador has done? You are an embarrassment to humans. You are an idiot.
Nobody is killing the sport. Least of all, any forum member with their opinions. Stop enforcing OMERTA please.Aguirre said:...I'm following closely your editorial line on doping and wonder you never, never defend any, any rider. Never. People like you are killing the sport.
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flicker said:I do not think it is fair to do the cyberspace smackdown upon spanish sport doping but:
The country is spiraling into a fearsome economic meltdown. The reason being is that Spain had an unreasonable economic borrowing policy.
The Valverde Piti handling was wrong.
Suspicious soccer results.
Suspicious tennis results.
Basic domination across sports including cycling.
Suspicious handling of doping cases.
With Contador we shall see.
Usually when there is a stink in the kitchen something is rotten in the pantry.
Berzin said:The poster you refer to hasn't taken into account that every single American road cyclist who rode in Europe in the last 15 years and had any type of success have brought great shame to the sport by either getting caught cheating outright or being implicated in other scandals.
If you were to look at it from this standpoint, it seems that American riders simply cannot ride in Europe without being at the forefront of the latest doping regimens.
By the way, are Vande Valde and Zabriskie still Tour contenders?
Just wondering...
Yes I get that impression too - and he also does the sign of the cross before each stage - which would relegate him to hell if he is really cheating.Escarabajo said:I believe Contador is telling the truth about "He never doped' because he is such a nice guy with nice family principles. He would never do that for sure.
I guess the sharing out of the spoils for winning the TdF doesn't count as doing anything for his teammates - or did he forget to do that this time - with the giving away of watches to LA etc ?Derukeman said:Contador's attitude is disgraceful at the very least. He's complaining about his treatment..it's laughable...he does nothing for his teammates, more likely, he's concerned with Alberto. Say whatever you want about Lance, he at least suffered for his teammates to win...just ask Levi in California
Berzin said:If you were to look at it from this standpoint, it seems that American riders simply cannot ride in Europe without being at the forefront of the latest doping regimens.
ridecanada said:Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.
You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.
Why was his body filled with plasticizers?
The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.
Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.
Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.
I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
Escarabajo said:You have to be careful with what you say. In my country we have corruption at the top just like in any other country, but you can not trash all their people because of that.
I agree that Spanish authorities do very little to fight doping, but that does not mean that the riders from other countries dope any less or more. It just does not make any sense.
Hugh Januss said:Oh yeah? Well I think you guys up there are small potatoes compared to the PED use that goes on in American football. Just so they don't feel left out why don't we throw in English and Italian football (soccer to us) and how about Aussie Rules or Rugby.
Actually let's just say that any sport where PEDs give an advantage and there is money to be made is most likely rife with cheating.
Actually if what I have heard about US masters racing and Euro Grand Fondos is even 1/2 true I guess we can take money out of the equation.
But those dirty Spaniards are really the only ones who are cheaters.
ridecanada said:Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.
You don't hear Contador answering for anything, just saying that he will hold his breath until he turns blue if they find him guilty.
Why was his body filled with plasticizers?
The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.
Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.
Spanish riders cheat. Its a way of life in their country. Spanish culture is good with cheaters and liars. Manolo Saiz is going to have a team again. The man that is at the centre of many cheating scandals.
I've never taken the result of any race where a spaniard one seriously. Chances are they are doped, as the country supports dopers.
khardung la said:..Then have into account that in the TdF there were 32 spanish guys, there were 2 canadians. If you count the 3 grand tours there were 93 cyclists from Spain for 3 from Canada. Spain counts for almost 20% of the guys at the elite, it is normal that in a sport where doping is prevalent Spain is in the top.
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khardung la said:You got the record: the most simplistic and dellusional post of today. Please check the word "culture" in your favourite dictionary. Then check Spain in a good encyclopedia. Then please check the doping cases in your comparatively small country (sportwise). Then have into account that in the TdF there were 32 spanish guys, there were 2 canadians. If you count the 3 grand tours there were 93 cyclists from Spain for 3 from Canada. Spain counts for almost 20% of the guys at the elite, it is normal that in a sport where doping is prevalent Spain is in the top.
ridecanada said:Spanish culture says its ok to cheat and lie, and if you get caught, we will find a way to show it was someone elses fault.
ridecanada said:The Spanish food agency said that Contador should file a complaint with them if he ingested Clenbuterol from meat. No formal complaint has been made.
ridecanada said:Remember when he said he couldn't remember where the meat came from? then that his manager had the bill? then the manager said he gave it to Astana? but no bill could be produced by ****ador. Smoke screen if there ever was any.