Contador positive!!!!!

[Kwibus]

All you can do is hope none of these guys here ever get to be a judge at a murder-case. I mean people are even stating Andy Schleck is doping because how he reacted to Contador's news lol. If Conti tested postive for blood doping, EPO, Cera sure he'd be a cheater, but I just don't see how you can cheat with a micro-dose of clenbutarol.

Yeh it's ridiculous. Some people are delirious here.
The thing they caught Conti on is nothing. It's no reason to ban him. I'm not saying I'm sure he's clean, but I will never say that about any pro rider.

 

[VeloCity]

If Conti tested postive for blood doping, EPO, Cera sure he'd be a cheater, but I just don't see how you can cheat with a micro-dose of clenbutarol.

Because it's most likely indicative of much, much more. Take Landis - he "only" tested positive for testosterone, but as we know now, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[zastomito]

Guilt by association?

 

[lilyprotector]

Yeh it's ridiculous. Some people are delirious here.
The thing they caught Conti on is nothing. It's no reason to ban him. I'm not saying I'm sure he's clean, but I will never say that about any pro rider.

as has been stated, they already banned a rs rider for the same exact drug. don't see why fuyu li would get one course of treatment but alberto contador another.

 

[samerics]

Because it's most likely indicative of much, much more. Take Landis - he "only" tested positive for testosterone, but as we know now, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

He tested for a bloody huge dose of it after a day when he took 9 minutes or more out of people who kicked his *** the day before! Come on...

 

[Barrus]

as has been stated, they already banned a rs rider for the same exact drug. don't see why fuyu li would get one course of treatment but alberto contador another.

For the, god knows how many times, time. He isn't banned, Fuyu Li is suspended, no decision is made yet. If you have anything indicating otherwise, please show it

 

[JRTinMA]

Question is, if Contie is banned and has a really lenient sentence (nowadays tat would probably amount to 3 to 6 months) what would happen with his win, is that for the ASO to decide, or for the UCI/WADA?


Also the plastic thing, I would like to know what test is used for that, how many labs have access to these tests and how manysamples are tested with it.

2.1 Presence of a Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers in an Athlete’s Sample
2.1.1 It is each Athlete’s personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters his or her body. Athletes are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Samples. Accordingly, it is not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Athlete’s part be demonstrated in order to establish an antidoping violation under Article 2.1.


Comment to Article 2.1.1: ....If the positive Sample came from an In-Competition test, then the results of that Competition are automatically invalidated (Article 9 (Automatic Disqualification of Individual Results)). However, the Athlete then has the possibility to avoid or reduce sanctions if the Athlete can demonstrate that he or she was not at fault or significant fault (Article 10.5 (Elimination or Reduction of Period of Ineligibility Based on Exceptional Circumstances)) or in certain circumstances did not intend to enhance his or her sport performance (Article 10.4 (Elimination or Reduction of the Period of Ineligibility for Specified Substances under Specific
Circumstances)).

I think he loses his 2010 TDF title, Even if he can prove accidental ingestion and get a reduced sentence. The actual event is forfeited.

 

[El Pistolero]

I don't think anybody is saying he micro-dosed the clen. A slight oversight on what was in the stored blood seems to be the favoured reason, if you doubt the dodgy meat option.

Then give me proof he blood doped. Real proof and not just rumours by the way.

that their would be plastic in his blood is just a rumour for now.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

2.1 Presence of a Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers in an Athlete’s Sample
2.1.1 It is each Athlete’s personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters his or her body. Athletes are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Samples. Accordingly, it is not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Athlete’s part be demonstrated in order to establish an antidoping violation under Article 2.1.


Comment to Article 2.1.1: ....If the positive Sample came from an In-Competition test, then the results of that Competition are automatically invalidated (Article 9 (Automatic Disqualification of Individual Results)). However, the Athlete then has the possibility to avoid or reduce sanctions if the Athlete can demonstrate that he or she was not at fault or significant fault (Article 10.5 (Elimination or Reduction of Period of Ineligibility Based on Exceptional Circumstances)) or in certain circumstances did not intend to enhance his or her sport performance (Article 10.4 (Elimination or Reduction of the Period of Ineligibility for Specified Substances under Specific
Circumstances)).

I think he loses his 2010 TDF title, Even if he can prove accidental ingestion and get a reduced sentence. The actual event is forfeited.

Yes - thats how I read it too.

He is positive for a substance, there he forfeits the results from the competition that he was particiapating in when the sample was taken.

 

[El Pistolero]

Because it's most likely indicative of much, much more. Take Landis - he "only" tested positive for testosterone, but as we know now, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

He only tested positive for how much testosterone above the limited levels? Righttt...

 

[Barrus]

2.1 Presence of a Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers in an Athlete’s Sample
2.1.1 It is each Athlete’s personal duty to ensure that no Prohibited Substance enters his or her body. Athletes are responsible for any Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers found to be present in their Samples. Accordingly, it is not necessary that intent, fault, negligence or knowing Use on the Athlete’s part be demonstrated in order to establish an antidoping violation under Article 2.1.


Comment to Article 2.1.1: ....If the positive Sample came from an In-Competition test, then the results of that Competition are automatically invalidated (Article 9 (Automatic Disqualification of Individual Results)). However, the Athlete then has the possibility to avoid or reduce sanctions if the Athlete can demonstrate that he or she was not at fault or significant fault (Article 10.5 (Elimination or Reduction of Period of Ineligibility Based on Exceptional Circumstances)) or in certain circumstances did not intend to enhance his or her sport performance (Article 10.4 (Elimination or Reduction of the Period of Ineligibility for Specified Substances under Specific
Circumstances)).

I think he loses his 2010 TDF title, Even if he can prove accidental ingestion and get a reduced sentence. The actual event is forfeited.

This really makes me hope that Schleck wins another Grand tour, or otherwise he'll end up like Pereiro Sio, yeah, he won a tour, but not really

 

[buckwheat]

Anyone else love this comment from Lemond?

“I find it hard to believe that a professional like Alberto Contador would risk a detectable drug and I can’t believe how many people have left a certain team and then gone positive,” Lemond told Cyclingnews after hearing the news.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lemond-shocked-by-contador-positive

It feels like his other great feud is more personal when I read this article. Doping is doping and this is very revealing.

+1. Almost reads like something a doping apologist or a naive fanboy who just started following cycling would say.

I think the quote illustrates how intelligent LeMond is.

Apparently, Contador was negative for Clenbuterol in tests conducted on days, immediately preceeding and immediately after the positive.

It's almost universally believed that the amount found wouldn't confer any performance benefit.

LeMond correctly sees the issue as being politcal as well as scientific. Contador has never engaged in recriminations as far as I'm aware. As for Armstrong, recrimination, personal attack, and sabotage are a large part of his MO. I haven't seen Contador label someone an "fcuking troll."

I don't think Contador is clean btw, but the questions is, is it logical/ethical that he be sanctioned in this case?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

If the origin of the Clenbuterol is a blood bag, then it is entirely plausible that he would test negative prior to the blood infusion, positive on the day following the infusion, then negative again on subsequent days as the Clenbuterol made its way out of the system.

Again, it is entirely plausible that it could be just a steak he ate, but, frankly, if this were such a pervasive problem, we'd see a lot more busts for Clenbuterol in Spain.

If the plastic story is correct, I believe it lends much more credence to the infusion theory and undermines the steak theory.

 

[spaceboy]

New Evidence!

Dear Alberto,

Congrats on your Tour so far, looks like you have this in the bag. I'd like to apologize for the past and decided to bury the hatchet. How about a Texas style BBQ on the rest day.

Sincerely,

Mr. Armstrong

 

[indurain666]

I think the quote illustrates how intelligent LeMond is.

Apparently, Contador was negative for Clenbuterol in tests conducted on days, immediately preceeding and immediately after the positive.

It's almost universally believed that the amount found wouldn't confer any performance benefit.

LeMond correctly sees the issue as being politcal as well as scientific. Contador has never engaged in recriminations as far as I'm aware. As for Armstrong, recrimination, personal attack, and sabotage are a large part of his MO. I haven't seen Contador label someone an "fcuking troll."

I don't think Contador is clean btw, but the questions is, is it logical/ethical that he be sanctioned in this case.

+1,, we will be sanctioned I think, but if they are nailing him for this, he should not get the two years.

 

[buckwheat]

Yes - thats how I read it too.

He is positive for a substance, there he forfeits the results from the competition that he was particiapating in when the sample was taken.

Not disputing what the rules are.

But, with it being clearly demonstrated that meat and supplements have be tainted with Clen, and that even municipal water can have pharmaceuticals in it, how do you stick by rules that reduce injestion of these substances down to a crapshoot?

Not that I worry about injesting drugs at all, but I do drink well over a half a gallon of unfiltered city water a day, and sometimes you can even taste the difference. This water may be contaminated at a detectable level well below the threshold where one can taste it.

 

[lilyprotector]

For the, god knows how many times, time. He isn't banned, Fuyu Li is suspended, no decision is made yet. If you have anything indicating otherwise, please show it

yes, you're right. he's been suspended for about six months. again, i wonder how the two situations will play out. it seems they can't suspend one without the other so this may be li's lucky break. i don't recall the uci announcing a caveat with li's contamination. something tells me it won't take six months plus to "clear up" the issue with contador.

if there really is a contamination issue, it's good this will shine a light on it, but i can't help but feel like the rules don't apply equally to everyone.

had armstrong tested positive for this, there's no way the info wouldn't have leaked early and he would be presumed guilty. that's not a comment on contador's innocence or guilt nor on armstrong's actually, just an observation. i do wonder if contador's never-tiring domestiques were tested.

 

[VeloCity]

He only tested positive for how much testosterone above the limited levels? Righttt...

Sure, but basically it's the same pattern - Tour winner tests positive for a common, well-known, and easily detectable substance the day after a rest day. Both point to the same source - contaminated blood transfusions taken on the rest day, in Landis' case w/exogenous testosterone and Contador's case w/clenbuterol.

 

[JRTinMA]

I think the quote illustrates how intelligent LeMond is.

Apparently, Contador was negative for Clenbuterol in tests conducted on days, immediately preceeding and immediately after the positive.

It's almost universally believed that the amount found wouldn't confer any performance benefit.

LeMond correctly sees the issue as being politcal as well as scientific. Contador has never engaged in recriminations as far as I'm aware. As for Armstrong, recrimination, personal attack, and sabotage are a large part of his MO. I haven't seen Contador label someone an "fcuking troll."

I don't think Contador is clean btw, but the questions is, is it logical/ethical that he be sanctioned in this case.

All true except he tested positive two days in a row. I have nothing against Lemond, I would much rather say he got me into cycling than the guy who actually did. I believe it highly personal at this point and not all about the sport as he states. I have no problem with that btw, if LA did to me what he did to Lemond I can't say what i would have done. Just stop with this is about cycling and say I want to ruin that doping POS! I would become a Lemond fanboy. Instead he comes off a bit inconsistent as I think he did in the interview. He couldn't go a few words without mentioning a "certain team". I respect a good thirst for blood when its warranted.

 

[krebs303]

you can't beat the meat

Suspended German table tennis player's 'B' sample shows clenbuterol traces
The player was at a tournament in China with the German national team from Aug. 16 to Aug. 22, and argued last week that he likely ate contaminated meat there.

 

[slcbiker]

The blood bag contamination seems odd to me as well. It's just not a substance that makes much sense for him to be using, even out of competition. It's too easy to detect and you need to take too much of it to get benefits. I would think he'd see it as too high a risk of getting caught in an out-of-competition drug test.

 

[El Pistolero]

All true except he tested positive two days in a row. I have nothing against Lemond, I would much rather say he got me into cycling than the guy who actually did. I believe it highly personal at this point and not all about the sport as he states. I have no problem with that btw, if LA did to me what he did to Lemond I can't say what i would have done. Just stop with this is about cycling and say I want to ruin that doping POS! I would become a Lemond fanboy. Instead he comes off a bit inconsistent as I think he did in the interview. He couldn't go a few words without mentioning a "certain team". I respect a good thirst for blood when its warranted.

He tested positive once, the product doesn't leave your body in just a day, so that's why he also tested positive the next day. That's why it's strange someone would take this in such a small doses. Unless they have proof it got there through blood transfusion then this is just blown out of proportion.

 

[Tubeless]

If the origin of the Clenbuterol is a blood bag, then it is entirely plausible that he would test negative prior to the blood infusion, positive on the day following the infusion, then negative again on subsequent days as the Clenbuterol made its way out of the system.

Again, it is entirely plausible that it could be just a steak he ate, but, frankly, if this were such a pervasive problem, we'd see a lot more busts for Clenbuterol in Spain.

If the plastic story is correct, I believe it lends much more credence to the infusion theory and undermines the steak theory.

And we even have the name of the courier for that blood bag as well, in Contador's own words:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/con...e-france-winner-blames-food-for-positive-test

"The organiser of the Vuelta a Castilla y León, José Luis López-Cerrón, planned to come to the Tour and asked our team cook if he wanted him to bring anything.

If Clenbuterol was widely seen in food or supplements, we'd be seeing lots more positives - given how low a level labs can now detect. RadioShack's Fuyu Li, supported by the same Dr Douwe de Boer, tried the same defense - without trying to pin down where the substance came from. His version sounds more believable, but it did not help Li being suspended:

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=16821

 

[roundabout]

I think the quote illustrates how intelligent LeMond is.

Apparently, Contador was negative for Clenbuterol in tests conducted on days, immediately preceeding and immediately after the positive.

It's almost universally believed that the amount found wouldn't confer any performance benefit.

LeMond correctly sees the issue as being politcal as well as scientific. Contador has never engaged in recriminations as far as I'm aware. As for Armstrong, recrimination, personal attack, and sabotage are a large part of his MO. I haven't seen Contador label someone an "fcuking troll."

I don't think Contador is clean btw, but the questions is, is it logical/ethical that he be sanctioned in this case.

Err, no. It's not about Armstrong. It's about an "anti-doping advocate" reacting to a positive by one of the more suspicious riders out there like an average keyboard warrior.

Maybe Lemond should ask himself why Contador would suddenly have a yearning for a steak from Irun that he can't control for contamination?

Major risk here, given all the examples of doped cattle in Spain. Really unprofessional.

He should have stopped at "if it's on the list it's on the list".

 

[JRTinMA]

He tested positive once, the product doesn't leave your body in just a day, so that's why he also tested positive the next day.

Um, the poster I commented on said he was negative the day following the positive. I don't think you read the original. He said he was negative immediately preceding and immediately following the positive, this is not true. Word smith it how you like he tripped a positive the next day.