Contador positive!!!!!

[hrotha]

When I said "blood doping" I meant "using blood to dope, i.e. transfusions with or without PEDs". Is the term restricted to using EPO and the like?

Anyway, it's always like that. Ten years ago it was "no one would be so stupid as to dope after the Festina affair". And yet, it happens.

 

[sometriguy]

Well, this is Contador's biggest defense. To have the Cologne lab director supporting your theory.

dripping with irony

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I dont defend Millar, I mean he just spoke and gave the benefit of the doubt to contador, back to facts: I don't see Bernaudeau, J, Pinau, M. Madiot, Chavanel and the rest of the anti-doping group blaming contador, not McEween, Gerrans, even Garmin DS dosn't accuse contador.

Here´s what Offredo said: “It’s a story that we’ve been expecting,” Offredo said to RMC.fr. “We’re not unduly surprised. A little [surprised] about the Clenbuterol because we’d really have expected something else. It’s like the tree that hides the forest.
“Right now, amongst the riders, I can tell you that we’re not that shocked.”

and here Chavanel: “[Contador] is falling. The big champions are falling: it’s like that,” Chavanel told RMC.fr. “It’s always disappointing to see things like this, but it’s good that we’ve reached a point where things are being found. The levels [of Clenbuterol] might be low, but there are traces there all the same. It’s up to Contador to prove his innocence.”

I really don´t see that they speak in defence of Contador. But then, may i can´t read english...

I see a break in between that Lab and UCi coming up...

Yeah, after the break up/war with the french laboratory, germany will also be kicked. Maybe in the future they test in jamaica or spain only. Good for you, no more positives and the dream can go on.

 

[Mie0204]

This is my first post ever so I hope I do it right. I have been following your diskussion the last few days and I find it interesting and at times worrying.
Some of you are convinced that Contador. dopes, even without a doubt. He was a part of the Fuentes case you say. Was he? As far as I know the case was dismissed. So at the moment the matter is not a matter of fact but a matter of opinion.
Last year Denmark passd a law that forbid people to carry knives. We had had quite a lot of stabbings and the new law made sense. Only after a short while we had a problem. A young man who workd at SevenEleven was arrested becauce the police found a hobbyknife in his car. He explaind that he used the knife at work to open boxes which was a part of his job. A plausible explenation you should say. Everybody agreed that this young man probably had no intention of going out in the week-ends to stab other people but the law is the law.The young man was sentensd to 3 month in prison and he lost his job. The law had a god intention because there was a problem. In cycling we have a problem with doping that is obvies, but in some cases the law create victims becauce it is not possible to stay within the rules of the law. Athlets live in the same world as we do and are exposed to the same enviroment. If we as fans will not have to defend our sport all the time in the future we have to ask that the rules make sense and are possible to live by.

My english is not that good, but I wil try to improve.Hope you understand my point.

 

[ultimobici]

This is my first post ever so I hope I do it right. I have been following your diskussion the last few days and I find it interesting and at times worrying.
Some of you are convinced that Contador. dopes, even without a doubt. He was a part of the Fuentes case you say. Was he? As far as I know the case was dismissed. So at the moment the matter is not a matter of fact but a matter of opinion.
Last year Denmark passd a law that forbid people to carry knives. We had had quite a lot of stabbings and the new law made sense. Only after a short while we had a problem. A young man who workd at SevenEleven was arrested becauce the police found a hobbyknife in his car. He explaind that he used the knife at work to open boxes which was a part of his job. A plausible explenation you should say. Everybody agreed that this young man probably had no intention of going out in the week-ends to stab other people but the law is the law.The young man was sentensd to 3 month in prison and he lost his job. The law had a god intention because there was a problem. In cycling we have a problem with doping that is obvies, but in some cases the law create victims becauce it is not possible to stay within the rules of the law. Athlets live in the same world as we do and are exposed to the same enviroment. If we as fans will not have to defend our sport all the time in the future we have to ask that the rules make sense and are possible to live by.

My english is not that good, but I wil try to improve.Hope you understand my point.

Welcome to the cesspit that is the Clinic!

1 Your English is better than my Danish so no problem
2 Good point, but the rest of the information coming out is not exactly glowing.

Contador was mentioned in the OP dossiers but it has not been made clear why. In addition the Spanish authorities haven't really helped matters by obstructing the natural course of justice. Most likely this is not the cycling body but football & tennis protecting their interests.

 

[roundabout]

oh, so once Contador is caught it's suddenly about defending the sport

you'll make a great UCI president

 

[nicholaaaas]

If they're planning to let him keep the Tour win, doesn't that go against the WADA rules??????

the WADA is not a international governing body

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Some of you are convinced that Contador. dopes, even without a doubt. He was a part of the Fuentes case you say. Was he? As far as I know the case was dismissed. So at the moment the matter is not a matter of fact but a matter of opinion.

Yes, because A and B are positive. Simple as that.

Fuentes: Werner Franke has the files, including the list of doping products used; "Die Unterlagen aus der Operacion Puerto liegen mir vor. Auf Blatt (page) Nummer 32 steht alles drauf, was Alberto Contador genommen hat. Das waren hauptsächlich Insulin- und Wachstumspräparate (Insulin and Human growth hormone)." Im Haus des spanischen Arztes wurden bei den damaligen Untersuchungen auch Blutbeutel (blood bags) mit dem Kürzel "A.C." gefunden.

 

[Escarabajo]

...
Do you believe contador is gonna use blood transfussions in rest day at tour de france being in yellow? do you think he and his sorroundings or even Astana are stupid?

....

Absolutely. Remember Khol story and LA profile last year. Usually spikes in performances happen after rest days. Maybe we should call it refill day.

As for the sorroundings being stupid. Look at the UCI. They are playing stupid.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

oh, so once Contador is caught it's suddenly about defending the sport

you'll make a great UCI president

Sad but true: That´s the minset of fanboys. And the reason why organisations like the UCI always try to cover up. They don´t want to destroy the dreams, but sell shirts and plastic bottles.

 

[nicholaaaas]

With all due respect I did not call you an idiot.

Please be more rspectful to other members. I treat everybody with respect and I expect the same thing from everybody in this forum.

Please read again the probabilities of having contamination by Clen in the meat in Europe. At least try reading the other posts. That's how probabilities work and things still happen in this life. just like plane crashes. Accidents still happen. Just like the fire in the BP offshore rig. that was probably one in a billion and still happened. The fact that there is bad history of doping in cycling does not help Contador. Sorry if it does not fit your criteria.

And yes the probability of what Contador said of happening is very, very low whether you likeit or not. It is not my fault. Other scientists will look at these probabilities also.

Again try to be more respectful with other members.
Thanks.

Well when you are gonna make a statement such as, "Please read again the probabilities of having contamination by Clen in the meat in Europe. At least try reading the other posts." Especially since I provided links to publications in my original post; I don't know what else would be a fair description

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Usually spikes in performances happen after rest days. Maybe we should call it refill day.

That´s funny.

Look at the UCI. They are playing stupid.

Not really, since people still believe in those abstruse stories (i am guilty myself too ) like the beef was bad, the twin brother was it, the grandma used it, the toothpaste was bad.

May they have pipo in office who calculate risks like insurance companies. If 51% of fans still believe the BS, they´ll go on with it, rather than tell the truth.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I don't know what else would be a fair description

... like you would say "you are wrong here, because of this and that".

Not everybody is an idiot just because he has a different opinion than you. BTW, Escobar is much longer here than you, and has made some good statements.

Edit: Wrote more than you, instead of is longer here

 

[thehog]

“If this is not resolved favorably and in just fashion then I would have to consider whether I would ever get back on a bike,” Contador told Spanish broadcaster Telecinco Sunday after a positive test for clenbuterol, a banned substance, during this year’s Tour.

The UCI provisionally suspended Contador after he announced his positive test Friday. He tested positive for a minute quantity of the substance on July 21, but insists he is the victim of contaminated food, saying he ate some contaminated meat brought from Spain.

The three-time champion said he was “very optimistic” that he will be absolved.

 

[roundabout]

Nice, a bit of blackmail on the top.

 

[nicholaaaas]

... like you would say "you are wrong here, because of this and that".

Not everybody is an idiot just because he has a different opinion than you. BTW, Escobar is much longer here than you, and has made some good statements.

Edit: Wrote more than you, instead of is longer here

so what? i dont care how many post anyone has in any forum. and i'ma call it like i see it

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

"An idiot, dolt, or dullard is a mentally deficient person, or someone who acts in a self-defeating or significantly counterproductive way."

So than you should be called an Idiot too?

 

[Escarabajo]

Well when you are gonna make a statement such as, "Please read again the probabilities of having contamination by Clen in the meat in Europe. At least try reading the other posts." Especially since I provided links to publications in my original post; I don't know what else would be a fair description

I have seen several now and they all show low probability of contamination.

But is does not matter. I agree with what 131313 said about the contaminations being bigger than it is and the cattle producers are also another big powerful industry trying to cover their business.

But my point was not only about that. My point was also about the whole story does not add up:

1- We have Contador telling us that the meat came from Spain, when we had the Chef already telling us in an earlier interview that he bought the beef in the Pau market? So why use Spain as oppose to France. What is the difference? Surely they thought about something.
2- It was convenient to say that Vino did not eat the meat because he was the other rider tested on rest day. What are the chances? 50-50 at least.
3- Eating meat two days in a row for a GT champion in the heat of the battle when he needs his digestion to be working perfectly. What are the chances of that? Read the other thread, "Who eats Steak before a big race", to find out more about this point.
4- From the contamination stories I have read that the majority of them come from eating organs of cattle. Especially liver. So makes it less likely that the piece of meat had those contaminants that will show in the Urine. Maybe the lab was too good and now is catching meat contamination concentrations than other labs were not able to find before. Who knows? Whatever the reason is the chances of this to happen are also very low whether we like it or not.
5- Bad history of cycling doping. Especially when is known that on rest days the top contenders use refills. Also the Astana stories from last year including LA spikes in his profiles. If Contador wants everybody to believe him publish his blood profile data.
6- The concentration of Plasticizers in his urine has not helped him during this scandal at all. And I wish they test other riders for this, but it is impossible because this is not a standard UCI test so they can not use it to punish anybody. I guess it can only be used like in this case, as a support of another theory.

You see. You realize that all these things are too much for me to believe in the Contador Story. That's my conclusion. Maybe I am too skeptical. But it’s the riders fault after so many scandals and positives. Why should it be different now?

 

[Aguirre]

of course, french riders love spanish riders, specially since those win the tour de france, and the french don't...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Well said, Escarabajo.

 

[Danie(L)]

...
But my point was not only about that. My point was also about the whole story does not add up:

1- We have Contador telling us that the meat came from Spain, when we had the Chef already telling us in an earlier interview that he bought the beef in the Pau market? So why use Spain as oppose to France. What is the difference? Surely they thought about something.
...

About 1) I think you are wrong.
Chef Paco Olalla said:
" Yesterday went to market and bought Pau beef tenderloin, baked potatoes and pasta making, nearly 500 grams per person. Culminated in a salad: "It is the ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet. Have been as new. "

article is form 23.07.2010. I think "yesterday" mean 22.07.2010.
Contador eat meat from Spain 20th and 21st.

By the way he spoke abut: "ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet"

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

About 1) I think you are wrong.
Chef Paco Olalla said:
" Yesterday went to market and bought Pau beef tenderloin, baked potatoes and pasta making, nearly 500 grams per person. Culminated in a salad: "It is the ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet. Have been as new. "

article is form 23.07.2010. I think "yesterday" mean 22.07.2010.
Contador eat meat from Spain 20th and 21st.

By the way he spoke abut: "ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet"

Now Contador's story makes even less sense. So, rather than get beef from Pau, which apparently is readily available, Contador has someone bring it from 75 miles away? Really? That's the story?

My intuition is that the reason for the Spanish beef story is that, some enterprising journalist may have gone to the Pau market, asked who sold beef on that day, bought some meat, and taken it to a lab for testing.

It complicates matters a bit if you say, hey the meat was bought from my buddies in Irun.

 

[Escarabajo]

About 1) I think you are wrong.
Chef Paco Olalla said:
" Yesterday went to market and bought Pau beef tenderloin, baked potatoes and pasta making, nearly 500 grams per person. Culminated in a salad: "It is the ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet. Have been as new. "

article is form 23.07.2010. I think "yesterday" mean 22.07.2010.
Contador eat meat from Spain 20th and 21st.

By the way he spoke abut: "ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet"

So he ate meat three days in a row?

 

[Aguirre]

but meat bought in spain doesn't mean the meat is done is spain, the meat could come from unknow country, global world-global market

btw, Fuyi Li's case in limbo now, as I understood he didn't got the 2 years ban, his case is still to be deliver, the problem is that when a rider is under suspicion inmediately a shade comes over him,

if this is true then it helps contador, and of course FL.

I think the lab will come to support UCI's criteria over next week or very soon and this will be a blow for many of you.

I hate when someone considers that one is a doping defender because doesn't condemn inmediatly things or... I don't live in wonderland, but some of your fantasies of Contador as a doped are going to far

 

[Mich78BEL]

I am honest, i was naive. I tought the UCI does not try to cover up anymore. But i am now disabused. How they want(ed) to keep the Contador case under the carpet is impertinent. Who tells us that they don´t know more (like a suspicious passport). 1st i was 50/50 of guilty or not. Now i am 100% sure, Contador doped. My only hope is that the WADA can bring this case to the CAS (can they??), if the UCI gives Contador only a 3 month "ban". Ridiculous.
Now it makes 100% sense that indeed they were paid by Armstrong to let go a positive Epo-Test at the TdS.
How stupid McQuaid thinks we are? What does it tell to the clean riders? I hope Gerdemann, Offredo and Chavanel speak out even more. This basterd and his gang is as worse as the FIFA.
If i see Contador racing next year, i finish with cycling (watching) for good. My hope is many others will follow. Shall the Fanboys be the only ones who watch this mess. What a waste of time.

i have to (partially) agree with this, i really thought he was a clean rider but i'm just not buying his lame-***-story and if Contador gets of the hook that easily then i'm not going to bother watching next year's Tour (still watching the classics though)