Contador positive!!!!!

[Mie0204]

I signed up to this forum becauce I thought it was a forum where grown ups debate a topic. Now I see that I landed in a classroom full little girls passing time with namecalling.I understand i belong in the group of fanboys who mindless belive everything. That is ok, I can live with that.

The direktor of the Cologne lab has said at they can test for so small quateties of things that a minimum value should be considerd. My point was that the rules today create more problems than they solve now that they are able to do that. If that makes me the next president of the UCI so be it.

 

[TubularBills]

About 1) I think you are wrong.
Chef Paco Olalla said:
" Yesterday went to market and bought Pau beef tenderloin, baked potatoes and pasta making, nearly 500 grams per person. Culminated in a salad: "It is the ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet. Have been as new. "

article is form 23.07.2010. I think "yesterday" mean 22.07.2010.
Contador eat meat from Spain 20th and 21st.

By the way he spoke abut: "ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet"

regardless of when, it's pretty telling that in his press conference Contador went on and on about how he asked for the meat because it was "really good meat" as opposed to the "really bad meat" that was available. And that Vino was jealous that he had to eat the "really bad meat." And yet, the day after, the team chef buys French Beef Tenderloin because "It is the ideal meal to recover from the battle of the Tourmalet."

Also, isn't it a little odd that they even use the word meat? When I have a craving, I'm generally pretty specific, like "I could use a really good steak, like a Porterhouse or a filet mignon."

To really get the ball rolling - someone should just take an ad out in the Spanish newspapers warning that Spanish markets are selling tainted meat loaded with Clenbuterol and that its a health risk. Then place a couple in French papers with Contador's endorsement that Spanish Meat is Superior to French Meat. Wouldn't take long for both countries industry lobbyists to provide all the statistics and documentation needed to clear this up.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I signed up to this forum becauce I thought it was a forum where grown ups debate a topic. Now I see that I landed in a classroom full little girls passing time with namecalling.I understand i belong in the group of fanboys who mindless belive everything. That is ok, I can live with that.

I realize English isn't your first language, but if you keep making posts like this you're going to find yourself getting zero respect from the many people on here that actually know a lot more than you might realize.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

(still watching the classics though)

For what? Maybe you´ll see (without knowing) riders winning who were tested positive, but no leaks came to the press...

 

[bobs nob]

I need some clarification

It seems that we are debating that the 'meat excuse' is acceptable for its plausibility (potential to have ever happened). But you DO realize it's a story, don't you. (All of you who are debating the merits of the tainted meat story.)

It seems we have devolved into just discussing how believable the story is as a story. As a BS story, it's as good as any other. It's slightly more plausible than a healthy male seeing a gynecologist and taking fertility drugs for some reason OTHER than to mask his PED use. It's all BS. I love AC. I still love AC. But this is silly. And having to watch him peddle this argument is an insult to all of our intelligence.

How many times do we have to see these shaggy dog stories trotted out with a straight face by people who we would LIKE to respect before some of you finally get it? And yet, you contort reality into a pretzel just to go on believing what you WANT to believe....You can't handle the truth!!!

 

[uspostal]

It seems that we are debating that the 'meat excuse' is acceptable for its plausibility (potential to have ever happened). But you DO realize it's a story, don't you. (All of you who are debating the merits of the tainted meat story.)

It seems we have devolved into just discussing how believable the story is as a story. As a BS story, it's as good as any other. It's slightly more plausible than a healthy male seeing a gynecologist and taking fertility drugs for some reason OTHER than to mask his PED use. It's all BS. I love AC. I still love AC. But this is silly. And having to watch him peddle this argument is an insult to all of our intelligence.

How many times do we have to see these shaggy dog stories trotted out with a straight face by people who we would LIKE to respect before some of you finally get it? And yet, you contort reality into a pretzel just to go on believing what you WANT to believe....You can't handle the truth!!!

Bob is that Pat telling everybody that they can't handle the truth about the cover-up and how big it is ???

 

[Arnout]

It seems that we are debating that the 'meat excuse' is acceptable for its plausibility (potential to have ever happened). But you DO realize it's a story, don't you. (All of you who are debating the merits of the tainted meat story.)

It seems we have devolved into just discussing how believable the story is as a story. As a BS story, it's as good as any other. It's slightly more plausible than a healthy male seeing a gynecologist and taking fertility drugs for some reason OTHER than to mask his PED use. It's all BS. I love AC. I still love AC. But this is silly. And having to watch him peddle this argument is an insult to all of our intelligence.

How many times do we have to see these shaggy dog stories trotted out with a straight face by people who we would LIKE to respect before some of you finally get it? And yet, you contort reality into a pretzel just to go on believing what you WANT to believe....You can't handle the truth!!!

So what sort of PED should this substance mask?

Its funny and stupid to use a masking substance that is known to be easily detectable and without a natural threshold. But I guess I am just picky on the details of this truth...

 

[Arnout]

The person who allegedly brought the steak to Contador said "the riders" thanked him and said it was delicious. In plural. But they're all fine apparently. He also pretty much identified where he bought the steak so it should be easy for Contador to prove his innocence, right? Not that anyone will investigate, this is all about saving face.

They weren't tested.

 

[bobs nob]

Bob is that Pat telling everybody that they can't handle the truth about the cover-up and how big it is ???

I really haven't taken the time to even follow the twists and turns. Nothing has changed. The riders dope. The organizers encourage it by taking bribes (Lance) with one hand and then pointing fingers at those who don't/won't/can't pay up or keep their blood bags straight.

It's rotten to the core. I knew it was that way before last week. It still is this week. Nothing new, just a new name and another reminder.

As far as I am concerned, this is just a reminder that the playoffs are starting in baseball and the football season is in full swing. I can't be bothered by a sport as dirty as cycling.

 

[Arnout]

I really haven't taken the time to even follow the twists and turns. Nothing has changed. The riders dope. The organizers encourage it by taking bribes (Lance) with one hand and then pointing fingers at those who don't/won't/can't pay up or keep their blood bags straight.

It's rotten to the core. I knew it was that way before last week. It still is this week. Nothing new, just a new name and another reminder.

As far as I am concerned, this is just a reminder that the playoffs are starting in baseball and the football season is in full swing. I can't be bothered by a sport as dirty as cycling.

Goodbye then.

 

[Sophistic]

i read today that the spanish food control agency hasnt found a single case of clenbuterol-rich meat since 1999

 

[rhubroma]

There has been much debate in regards to the probability of Contador's "truth" that the Clen. traces should be attributed to contaminated meat.

I limit myself to passing on what La Gazzetta dello Sport reported today. The last case of contamination from meat in Spain dates back to 99, (that such cases were connected to organ meat - this, from another article I have seen, and which has already been mentioned here), and that another female rider (whose name I don't recall) tested positive for a quantity even inferior to that which AC was found with, though was sanctioned for 2 years. She lost her appeal to Tas as well.

Bottom line is, in light of all the lies we have been told before from previous caught dopers and AC's own background with Saiz (and thus probably Fuentes), Bruyneel (who, not surprisingly, came out in support of his ex-star) and given what we know about Spanish cycling: how can we believe his tale?

I wouldn't be at all surprised, though, if McQuaid's caustic comments about Spanish cycling weren't merely a prequil to the UCI's brushing the entire controversy under the carpet in a month or so. As if we play act the severe parent in taking up a stance of "moral seriosusness", to then be able to let Jonny go out and play with his friends after dinner. Address both issues (Iberian doping and the "unusualness" of Alberto's case) by critisizing Spanish cycling in general and give him a provisory three months out (off season), to be able to then "rehabilitate" the big fish nobody within the organization wants to see brought down. Plus one has thus created an alibi against subsequent accusations of moral laxity and the inevitable crys of corruption with which the Germans will denounce the UCI if such comes to pass. It's hypicritical and slimmy in the utmost, but politically expedient.

If, to the contrary, AC is sanctioned fully then perhaps even the UCI realizes that getting away with murder for too long, is ultimately a loosing strategy.

I'm at 50-50 odds as to which way the scenario goes.

 

[bobs nob]

Goodbye then.

Yes. Sorry to have to point out reality.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

As far as I am concerned, this is just a reminder that the playoffs are starting in baseball and the football season is in full swing. I can't be bothered by a sport as dirty as cycling.

That´s funny. Qutting Pro-Cycling (which i can understand), but change to MLB/NFL. That´s like to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea.

 

[flicker]

What's up with Contas crybaby face in cyclingnews today? He needs to pop open an ampule and drink an ice cold michelob ultra. That is what my man yellow-band d' do. Man up Alberto. I hate that princess stuff among the pro cyclists. Reminds me of Albertos you-tube cry for forgiveness after chaingate. Man up have a little testesterone cocktail and enjoy the party because its on you now Alberto.

 

[bobs nob]

That´s funny. Qutting Pro-Cycling (which i can understand), but change to MLB/NFL. That´s like to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Not a big deal. I think email/forum/text communications are subject to wild misinterpretations, but.....

You used the rolleyes icon, so apparently you know that it denotes sarcasm, and then you miss the sarcasm in my post when I put the same icon.....?????

No biggie. It's all good.

But the payoff issue is waaayyy bigger than 'just' doping. The payoff issue really does put it in professional wrestling territory. Not to mention the fact that a sport with a relatively tiny following (not ONLY in the U.S.) is so gleeful to see another fan walk away. That's self destructive. Whatever.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Not a big deal. I think email/forum/text communications are subject to wild misinterpretations, but.....

You used the rolleyes icon, so apparently you know that it denotes sarcasm, and then you miss the sarcasm in my post when I put the same icon.....?????

No biggie. It's all good.

But the payoff issue is waaayyy bigger than 'just' doping. The payoff issue really does put it in professional wrestling territory. Not to mention the fact that a sport with a relatively tiny following (not ONLY in the U.S.) is so gleeful to see another fan walk away. That's self destructive. Whatever.

Yes, imissed it (a little), because i tought you only meant the sarcasm button for cycling.
I agree the corruption is way bigger than the doping and freaky blood-adulterating . For me, the Try of the Contador cover-up was the last straw that breaks the camel's back.

The NFL/MLB is on wrestling level a long time ago PLUS doping PLUS painkiller/numbing-shots overuse. I didn´t know until yesterday that cycling is already this far...

 

[Arnout]

Yes. Sorry to have to point out reality.

If you don't like doping sports, why did you take up cycling?

The fact that there is such an interest in cycling (and it is growing both in the old world and in the new world according to viewing figures) says enough about the sport.

The sport and the concept is so staggeringly good that doping is a small downside. Why care?

That's why I always defend all riders. I simply don't care about doping. Doping doesn't affect me in any way (only positive, as racing tends to become more interesting).

But please explain me, there's no way you joined cycling in a clean period as there is no such thing I tend to believe that this is the cleanest period in decades, judging by the performances, relative performances of non - dopers and by the way of racing.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

i read today that the spanish food control agency hasnt found a single case of clenbuterol-rich meat since 1999

That's a pretty key point. What I'd like to know are the likely concentrations of clenbuterol in meat and how much of that concentration can be transferred to the consumer of the meat.

Second, how sensitive are the tests carried out by the Spanish food control agency?

 

[flicker]

If you don't like doping sports, why did you take up cycling?

The fact that there is such an interest in cycling (and it is growing both in the old world and in the new world according to viewing figures) says enough about the sport.

The sport and the concept is so staggeringly good that doping is a small downside. Why care?

That's why I always defend all riders. I simply don't care about doping. Doping doesn't affect me in any way (only positive, as racing tends to become more interesting).

But please explain me, there's no way you joined cycling in a clean period as there is no such thing I tend to believe that this is the cleanest period in decades, judging by the performances, relative performances of non - dopers and by the way of racing.

Sorry according to the source of all dis-information Lemond there really wasn't doping prior to the EPO doping which relegated LeMond from race horse to donkey. Just ask Greg..... Greg LeMond you forgot about Tommy Simpson and about my man in Japan Freddy Maertens and his Flandria team?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

i read today that the spanish food control agency hasnt found a single case of clenbuterol-rich meat since 1999

You mean it's a story?!

Yes Bobs ***, I think most of us know that. Meat, whiskey, skin cream. It's a dirty sport with lots of stories. But even the mass-media may be buying this one. And if they'll buy it, the UCI will sell it. They'll just all have to ignore that the outbreak they list happened nearly two decades ago.

Oh, and just don't watch other sports unless you have your blinders fully on tight. And at least you didn't put the NBA on your list, as I'd feel fairly safe betting the house that entire league is to a certain extent rigged.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Sorry according to the source of all dis-information Lemond there really wasn't doping prior to the EPO doping which relegated LeMond from race horse to donkey. Just ask Greg..... Greg LeMond you forgot about Tommy Simpson and about my man in Japan Freddy Maertens and his Flandria team?

You started following cycling with Lance in 1999. You're better of sniffing at that chamois than discussing cycling events that occurred prior to the development of your Armstrong-oriented olfactory senses.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

This thread has nothing to do with LeMond. There have already been many threads about him, don't post more here. Got it?

 

[flicker]

sorry to get off subject there alpe. My point is hey what kind of super juice was berto on. I bet it was a bit stronger than tainted steak. He looked really muscled up this year, plus he was having a tough time with andy this year. He had to be on something besides Clen. I heard rumors of the pro-cyclists using experimental un-detectable dope this year. That was at the ToC not to point fingers at any riders in any races.I did hear the drugs were not working so well. Could this be the case with Albertto?

 

[krebs303]

i read today that the spanish food control agency hasnt found a single case of clenbuterol-rich meat since 1999

Nobody has got sick since 1999. clenbuterol is still allowed up to 0.01 ng per kilo in flesh in the European Union