Contador vs. Froome

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I will still not be shocked if Yates suffers a 3rd week decline, Dumo has a bad day, and Froome somehow wins, then ekes out a Tour win by attrition/smart riding, in which case 7/5/5 would be superior in my book.

A 7/5/5 record would imply that he rides and wins both the Giro and Tour, as you say, but that he loses the Giro, along with the Vuelta, from a ban. That seems pretty unlikely, i.e., if he rides the Tour, it will mean the decision (if a ban) comes after the Tour, in which case both the Giro and Tour results would probably stand (7/6/5). The only way he could lose the Giro and not the Tour is if he were given a back-dated ban ending between the Giro and Tour. I think the most likely scenario is a proactive ban before the Tour, so even if he manages to win the Giro, he would be 6/4/4.

 

[YavorD]

It's a bit strange that some people "give" Contador the win in the Tour 2010 as well, as 2007. I mean he basically won 2007 the same way he lost 2010. Well The Chicken was DSQ-ed for obvious reasons (it hurts still, but yeah.. you cheat, you get punished). And so was Contador in 2010, he had a positive test, so he should be stripped. Well Giro 2011 can be counted as "his", because he won it fair and square on the road.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It's a bit strange that some people "give" Contador the win in the Tour 2010 as well, as 2007. I mean he basically won 2007 the same way he lost 2010. Well The Chicken was DSQ-ed for obvious reasons (it hurts still, but yeah.. you cheat, you get punished). And so was Contador in 2010, he had a positive test, so he should be stripped. Well Giro 2011 can be counted as "his", because he won it fair and square on the road.

Chicken wasn't disqualified, he didn't finish the race (blame his team for that).

 

[SHAD0W93]

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It's a bit strange that some people "give" Contador the win in the Tour 2010 as well, as 2007. I mean he basically won 2007 the same way he lost 2010. Well The Chicken was DSQ-ed for obvious reasons (it hurts still, but yeah.. you cheat, you get punished). And so was Contador in 2010, he had a positive test, so he should be stripped. Well Giro 2011 can be counted as "his", because he won it fair and square on the road.

I do that a lot if I rider I like was in second. Now for Contador he had such a small amount for him to be banned and I don't feel like he should have lost his 11 and beginning of 12 results.

The main thing with disqualifying first and giving it to second is who knows if the person who won wasn't in the race if the person who finished second would have won on the road because the race dynamics completely change especially if the person that won is dominate. It is a fine line that stinks for all parties if someone gets their results stripped.

Between Contador vs Froome, I will always think Contador was a better rider with bigger wins.

 

[Red Rick]

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It's a bit strange that some people "give" Contador the win in the Tour 2010 as well, as 2007. I mean he basically won 2007 the same way he lost 2010. Well The Chicken was DSQ-ed for obvious reasons (it hurts still, but yeah.. you cheat, you get punished). And so was Contador in 2010, he had a positive test, so he should be stripped. Well Giro 2011 can be counted as "his", because he won it fair and square on the road.

Chicken wasn't disqualified, he didn't finish the race (blame his team for that).

Rabobank chickened out.

I'll show myself out.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Such thread, Contador vs Froome is comletely useless/pointless till Froome's case is finished.
But after that, with the most likely result, it would be shame to tolerate such thread in PRR.

 

[Ataraxus]

Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

 

[DFA123]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

Yep. Today has well and truly finished this debate.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

 

[Red Rick]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

They're not even comparable

Fuente De was a tactical win exploiting a moment of weakness

This was "hurrr durrr I'm suddenly by far the best in the race, I guess I'll win now"

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

They're not even comparable

Fuente De was a tactical win exploiting a moment of weakness

This was "hurrr durrr I'm suddenly by far the best in the race, I guess I'll win now"

Let the Froome fanbois and Berto haters have their moment, you're not going to convince them, they made up their mind ages ago.

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

Yep. Today has well and truly finished this debate.

TDF 13 and 15 settled it for me.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Fuente De gave me more chills than any other sport victory has given me (only Angliru last year is up there). But performance-wise Froome's victory today is in a league of its own.

 

[Ataraxus]

Re: Re:

Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

They're not even comparable

Fuente De was a tactical win exploiting a moment of weakness

This was "hurrr durrr I'm suddenly by far the best in the race, I guess I'll win now"

OOOO PLEASE!!!

1-The furthest Attack: Jafferau >Fuente De
2-Most Km alone in the wind : Jafferau >Fuente De
3-Biggest Jump in classification: Jafferau >Fuente De
4-Biggest time gain: Jafferau >Fuente De


Bow down to the superiority and don't object the obvious.

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

They're not even comparable

Fuente De was a tactical win exploiting a moment of weakness

This was "hurrr durrr I'm suddenly by far the best in the race, I guess I'll win now"

Lol at Contador putting 2+minutes into everyone except Valverde (4+ on everyone except Rodriguez IIRC) on a couple of cat 2 climbs now being called a "tactical" win.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

They're not even comparable

Fuente De was a tactical win exploiting a moment of weakness

This was "hurrr durrr I'm suddenly by far the best in the race, I guess I'll win now"

OOOO PLEASE!!!

1-The furthest Attack: Jafferau >Fuente De
2-Most Km alone in the wind : Jafferau >Fuente De
3-Biggest Jump in classification: Jafferau >Fuente De
4-Biggest time gain: Jafferau >Fuente De


Bow down to the superiority and don't object the obvious.

You cannot be serious.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Fuente De gave me more chills than any other sport victory has given me (only Angliru last year is up there). But performance-wise Froome's victory today is in a league of its own.

Well, contador's attack was very different. It was the struggling champion fighting to somehow break the superior Purito and eventually succeeding. This was another champion cruising away from everyone else over 80 kiloleters while laughing about how slow the others are going

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Aside from GT wins we should compare them in terms of the "impresas" they have accomplished.
All I know at the moment is that Fuente De looks minuscule right now.

So what

\Nothing. Just stating the obvious

They're not even comparable

Fuente De was a tactical win exploiting a moment of weakness

This was "hurrr durrr I'm suddenly by far the best in the race, I guess I'll win now"

Lol at Contador putting 2+minutes into everyone except Valverde (4+ on everyone except Rodriguez IIRC) on a couple of cat 2 climbs now being called a "tactical" win.

Bridged to the break which was only about 20 seconds ahead at that point, had two of his teammates and Tiralongo work their asses off to build the advantage against a struggling Purito up until maybe 10km to go, then barely held off Valverde on the final climb. Of course strength was a factor, but yes, that is what we would consider a tactical win. His win on the Lanciano stage in Tirreno was much more impressive performance wise.

 

[roundabout]

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He was something like a minute+ ahead of everyone other than Valverde and Rodriguez on the Hoz already.

*** stupid quote limit.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Fuente De gave me more chills than any other sport victory has given me (only Angliru last year is up there). But performance-wise Froome's victory today is in a league of its own.

Oh definitely, at least whenever Contador pulled off a big win or attack he always seemed human, which definitely makes it more emotional to watch unlike watching a robotic constant 350 Watts being pushed for 2.5 hours.

 

[DFA123]

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Fuente De gave me more chills than any other sport victory has given me (only Angliru last year is up there). But performance-wise Froome's victory today is in a league of its own.

Oh definitely, at least whenever Contador pulled off a big win or attack he at least always seemed human, which definitely makes it more emotional to watch unlike watching a robotic constant 350 Watts being pushed for 2.5 hours.

So, basically, Contador wasn't as good?

 

[Red Rick]

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Fuente De gave me more chills than any other sport victory has given me (only Angliru last year is up there). But performance-wise Froome's victory today is in a league of its own.

Oh definitely, at least whenever Contador pulled off a big win or attack he at least always seemed human, which definitely makes it more emotional to watch unlike watching a robotic constant 350 Watts being pushed for 2.5 hours.

So, basically, Contador wasn't as good?

You want me to say it?

It wasn't as good.

That's not even what it's about for me.

Ability in isolation is not at all admirable to me.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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He was something like a minute+ ahead of everyone other than Valverde and Rodriguez on the Hoz already.

**** stupid quote limit.

Yes, Purito was on a bad day, Piti stayed on Purito's wheel, and Berto had 2+1 domestiques in the break. Of course he could build an advantage. Maybe you should watch that stage again, tactics 101.

 

[Gigs_98]

Guess what, Contador wasn't as good in Fuentes de as Landis in Morzine either