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[sam6]

Lol.

Just lol.

Teams aren't gonna do *** to riders for getting dropped nd being DNF here.

The mental gymnastics are absolutely amazing.

If an established rider DNF then yes they are not going to lose their contract

But imagine an up and coming rider with no contract for next year. They are going to feel they have to race as they are under pressure and might think a DNF shows the wrong character. Especially if they are DNF early because of the danger and not as they did a huge turn on the front and done their job. There are definitely going to be riders who would feel pressure to race when they don't feel safe

 

[Netserk]

Yes, obviously the riders want to destroy their sport and foundation for their livelihood. Very straightforwardly obvious.

Strikes confer control to the strikers because it is destructive. No destruction, no control.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

 

[sam6]

None of the pictures circulated online suggest the roads are flooded at this stage.

Oh right so the criteria for racing is just "the roads not being flooded"

 

[Berniece]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

Speed is lower in a wet Roubaix compared to this though

 

[tobydawq]

Strikes confer control to the strikers because it is destructive. No destruction, no control.

Just you projecting some theory on the riders' actions.

 

[Netserk]

If an established rider DNF then yes they are not going to lose their contract

But imagine an up and coming rider with no contract for next year. They are going to feel they have to race as they are under pressure and might think a DNF shows the wrong character. Especially if they are DNF early because of the danger and not as they did a huge turn on the front and done their job. There are definitely going to be riders who would feel pressure to race when they don't feel safe

Did you watch Emilia?

 

[sam6]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

The speeds are much lower on cobbles than on a descent

 

[Berniece]

"The peloton decided to stop, the descent was no longer safe. All sorts of things came up, the manhole covers even came loose," said Wesley van Speybroeck, team manager of Lotto Dstny afterwards.

Reason good enough for me to decide in bunch to stop.

 

[sam6]

Did you watch Emilia?

There is a difference between stopping 2/3 of the way through when you are already dropped to right at the start. One is considered acceptable, one probably wouldn't go down well with a lot of teams

 

[yaco]

Once there is a serious injury or a fatality the chorus begins that safety must be improved. However, once a race is cancelled because of adverse conditions, we forget about safety.

 

[YavorD]

Oh right so the criteria for racing is just "the roads not being flooded"

Well, what's the criteria for not racing then?
"Not safe"? What's deemed as "not safe"? Wet roads? Then we may as well cancel every race if it's raining.

Now, if the rain and the amount of water brings random objects on the road, that's completely understandable and justified cancellation.
But if the roads are just very wet.. That's not any more unsafe than Emilia.

 

[Netserk]

Once there is a serious injury or a fatality the chorus begins that safety must be improved. However, once a race is cancelled because of adverse conditions, we forget about safety.

I have no problem with it if the UCI commissaire stopped the race (if the situation called for that per the rules). No problem if teams and riders voluntarily stopped racing. And no problem at all if they raise their concerns with the commissaire.

Strikes are not that.

 

[KOM]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

The Benji Naesen Soyboy cry on social media mentality has been poisoning cycling and may well destroy it

 

[Nick2413]

They need to work a “right to ride” into their bylaws or something to make sure the aggressors don’t destroy the sport.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's Teddy's fault. Riders didn't want to race for 2nd in miserable weather.

 

[sam6]

Well, what's the criteria for not racing then?
"Not safe"? What's deemed as "not safe"? Wet roads? Then we may as well cancel every race if it's raining.

Now, if the rain and the amount of water brings random objects on the road, that's completely understandable and justified cancellation.
But if the roads are just very wet.. That's not any more unsafe than Emilia.

The riders are the ones racing, they thought Emilia was ok and this must mean today was worse

 

[Savant12]

Decided to stop once they saw a canoe going past showing time gaps.

 

[YavorD]

The riders are the ones racing, they thought Emilia was ok and this must mean today was worse

And that's exactly what the problem is. Riders decide when to race and when not to race without a clear line of what's acceptable and what's not.

If they don't want to race, that's fine. Just DNF or DNS. Leave the ones who want to race and get result to do it.

 

[Netserk]

It's Teddy's fault. Riders didn't want to race for 2nd in miserable weather.

Yep, @Red Rick needs an update.

"All Froome's fault."

Formerly on Red Rick's profile pic and should become a forum meme.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

"The peloton decided to stop, the descent was no longer safe. All sorts of things came up, the manhole covers even came loose," said Wesley van Speybroeck, team manager of Lotto Dstny afterwards.

If this is true race should be cancelled and all the "riders didnt want to get wet" posters should be slightly ashamed.

 

[topcat]

Just when you thought cycling couldn't get any deader, they killed it again.
But there's still a lot of drinks I haven't drunk,
Lots of pretty thoughts I haven't thunk.

 

[tobydawq]

I have no problem with it if the UCI commissaire stopped the race (if the situation called for that per the rules). No problem if teams and riders voluntarily stopped racing. And no problem at all if they raise their concerns with the commissaire.

Strikes are not that.

Please explain how the bolded was not what happened.

 

[sam6]

And that's exactly what the problem is. Riders decide when to race and when not to race without a clear line of what's acceptable and what's not.

If they don't want to race, that's fine. Just DNF or DNS. Leave the ones who want to race and get result to do it.

It's clear that the threshold from the organizers for what is safe is too low

 

[Ricco']

It's clear that the threshold from the organizers for what is safe is too low

The organizers shouldn't have any vote on the matter, the only persons who should be responsible for the decisions are the commissaires, who should be trained to deal accordingly.