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[wheresmybrakes]

As the women say, hold our beers, we're going out again. The chaps are whimps.

 

[Berniece]

Yeah I'm surprised they even started this, but it's also apparently the riders themselves that just stopped, like a strike. Just do it at the start then lmao

As a gesture they might wanted to give it a chance, but noticed that it was bad

 

[Savant12]

Remco trying to cheat with a jumpstart!!!

Most he'll distance Pog all year.

 

[AmRacer]

Could have just DNFd then. Or DNSd

But riders who don't wanna race apparently can now rob riders who do of the opportunity to race and get a result.

result***

 

[Netserk]

Could have just DNFd then. Or DNSd

But riders who don't wanna race apparently can now rob riders who do of the opportunity to race and get a result.

Yes, it's pretty straightforward what it is about. Destruction is the purpose.

 

[Berniece]

Could have just DNFd then. Or DNSd

But riders who don't wanna race apparently can now rob riders who do of the opportunity to race and get a result.

Sure, but it's not like we know the details yet.

 

[tobydawq]

It's just too easy to write it off as being 'pathetic' without having seen pictures of the route. Usually, I am against cancellations too but if you saw the weather forecast, you'd realise that flooding would be inevitable today. And given that it has continued to rain until now, it is likely to have become too much at some point. Maybe it wasn't dangerous by the strictest definition but if the roads are standing under water, is there really a sporting merit to the race?

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Pogacar starts and subsequently the race is so dead it even gets cancelled. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[tobydawq]

Yes, it's pretty straightforward what it is about. Destruction is the purpose.

Yes, obviously the riders want to destroy their sport and foundation for their livelihood. Very straightforwardly obvious.

 

[sam6]

This is a dangerous sport, last week a rider died during a world championship. You can't blame the riders for not wanting to race, they are literally risking their lives and these weather conditions greatly increase the risks. You say riders can DNF, but if they do and their team is unhappy about it this could cost them their career. I think it's good that all of the riders make a collective decision that this isn't safe

 

[Devil's Elbow]

It's just too easy to write it off as being 'pathetic' without having seen pictures of the route. Usually, I am against cancellations too but if you saw the weather forecast, you'd realise that flooding would be inevitable today. And given that it has continued to rain until now, it is likely to have become too much at some point. Maybe it wasn't dangerous by the strictest definition but if the roads are standing under water, is there really a sporting merit to the race?

None of the pictures circulated online suggest the roads are flooded at this stage.

 

[tobydawq]

This is a dangerous sport, last week a rider died during a world championship. You can't blame the riders for not wanting to race, they are literally risking their lives and these weather conditions greatly increase the risks. You say riders can DNF, but if they do and their team is unhappy about it this could cost them their career. I think it's good that all of the riders make a collective decision that this isn't safe

Hyperbole much?

 

[sam6]

Lol.

Just lol.

Teams aren't gonna do *** to riders for getting dropped nd being DNF here.

The mental gymnastics are absolutely amazing.

If an established rider DNF then yes they are not going to lose their contract

But imagine an up and coming rider with no contract for next year. They are going to feel they have to race as they are under pressure and might think a DNF shows the wrong character. Especially if they are DNF early because of the danger and not as they did a huge turn on the front and done their job. There are definitely going to be riders who would feel pressure to race when they don't feel safe

 

[Netserk]

Yes, obviously the riders want to destroy their sport and foundation for their livelihood. Very straightforwardly obvious.

Strikes confer control to the strikers because it is destructive. No destruction, no control.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

 

[sam6]

None of the pictures circulated online suggest the roads are flooded at this stage.

Oh right so the criteria for racing is just "the roads not being flooded"

 

[Berniece]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

Speed is lower in a wet Roubaix compared to this though

 

[tobydawq]

Strikes confer control to the strikers because it is destructive. No destruction, no control.

Just you projecting some theory on the riders' actions.

 

[Netserk]

If an established rider DNF then yes they are not going to lose their contract

But imagine an up and coming rider with no contract for next year. They are going to feel they have to race as they are under pressure and might think a DNF shows the wrong character. Especially if they are DNF early because of the danger and not as they did a huge turn on the front and done their job. There are definitely going to be riders who would feel pressure to race when they don't feel safe

Did you watch Emilia?

 

[sam6]

People will always go on about a wet Roubaix which is 100x more dangerous, but then they are happy that riders stop the race because the are a bit cold and wet in the name of 'safety'

The speeds are much lower on cobbles than on a descent

 

[Berniece]

"The peloton decided to stop, the descent was no longer safe. All sorts of things came up, the manhole covers even came loose," said Wesley van Speybroeck, team manager of Lotto Dstny afterwards.

Reason good enough for me to decide in bunch to stop.

 

[sam6]

Did you watch Emilia?

There is a difference between stopping 2/3 of the way through when you are already dropped to right at the start. One is considered acceptable, one probably wouldn't go down well with a lot of teams

 

[yaco]

Once there is a serious injury or a fatality the chorus begins that safety must be improved. However, once a race is cancelled because of adverse conditions, we forget about safety.

 

[YavorD]

Oh right so the criteria for racing is just "the roads not being flooded"

Well, what's the criteria for not racing then?
"Not safe"? What's deemed as "not safe"? Wet roads? Then we may as well cancel every race if it's raining.

Now, if the rain and the amount of water brings random objects on the road, that's completely understandable and justified cancellation.
But if the roads are just very wet.. That's not any more unsafe than Emilia.

 

[Netserk]

Once there is a serious injury or a fatality the chorus begins that safety must be improved. However, once a race is cancelled because of adverse conditions, we forget about safety.

I have no problem with it if the UCI commissaire stopped the race (if the situation called for that per the rules). No problem if teams and riders voluntarily stopped racing. And no problem at all if they raise their concerns with the commissaire.

Strikes are not that.