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Before the MAC cancelled football, the Ivy league did cancel all fall sports. But the Ivy league, while in D1, is in the FCS subdivision of D1. The MA Conference is in the top tier of D1 (the FBS subdivision). So that makes the MAC the 1st D1 FBS conference to bail out of the season, which I think is what I had posted.I thought the Ivy League had already suspended all fall sports. I also suspect all fall sports in lower division teams to be cancelled soon.
It's now about the States handling all responsibility and blame. The WH knows if they don't get a grandstand vaccine delivery before Nov 3rd it won't matter and they won't care. Things have been somewhat quiet on the stockpiling front except for food banks preparing locally in Seattle.America's PPE shortage could last years without strategic plan, experts warn
Hospital officials prepare for autumn surge in coronavirus cases: ‘There’s going to be lots of shortages we haven’t thought about’www.theguardian.com
Before the MAC cancelled football, the Ivy league did cancel all fall sports. But the Ivy league, while in D1, is in the FCS subdivision of D1. The MA Conference is in the top tier of D1 (the FBS subdivision). So that makes the MAC the 1st D1 FBS conference to bail out of the season, which I think is what I had posted.
I was to unspecific. I remember two econometricians criticizing the work on Twitter and one of their main messages was: You should put all under 18 together, because then results gets significant. (Generally you should be very careful to merge or split groups after you see the data. By this you can create artificial significance). I think you remembered the serious critic, which is the right thing to do. But I am still a little bit angry about the shady critic.Too lazy to go back to that argument, but wasn't the criticism that the sample size was too small?
I was unaware of that latest development about the big 10 & pac 12 cancelling fall sports. Thanks for that tip. https://www.si.com/college/lsu/football/sec-holding-steady-in-cfb-cancellationThanks. It appears the Big 10 and likely the Pac 10 are getting closer to cancelling all fall sports.
I was unaware of that latest development about the big 10 & pac 12 cancelling fall sports. Thanks for that tip. https://www.si.com/college/lsu/football/sec-holding-steady-in-cfb-cancellation
The "funny" thing is that a study of Christian Drosten, we were discussing two months ago, was publicly criticized by some statisticians (without any medicine knowledge, even without having the data) for not lumping everyone below 18 into one group. Turns out that he was right and they were wrong.
I was to unspecific. I remember two econometricians criticizing the work on Twitter and one of their main messages was: You should put all under 18 together, because then results gets significant. (Generally you should be very careful to merge or split groups after you see the data. By this you can create artificial significance). I think you remembered the serious critic, which is the right thing to do. But I am still a little bit angry about the shady critic.
The orange man said that kids don't "transport it". He doesn't care that kids get it, because only a small percent of them die.Interview with one of the SD bikers:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhHxpTocFCY
The biker comes across as very ignorant, repeating talking points he's heard, but not really understanding them. He begins by claiming it's a plandemic, though under pressure, he backs off that. Sort of, because he finds it too coincidental that the pandemic is occurring during an election year, and he's convinced the left is using it to sabotage Trump. Well, some of the left is, I won't disagree with that, but it doesn't follow that the virus isn't a very serious problem. Trump's ignorant statements about bleach, HCQ, masks, and on and on are certainly being used as political talking points against him, but that doesn't mean that the statements aren't wrong, and shouldn't be called out.
Here's another interview with three former COVID skeptics, who changed their minds when they became infected. One of them was given up for dead in the ICU before recovering. One of the others is one of the fourteen people who were infected at a Texas family gathering, posted upthread:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy53qSQGc74
I discussed the Drosten study upthread. What Drosten concluded was that children had levels of virus as high as adults, though his data indicated they were lower. He was criticized because of the small sample size and quetionable statistics, that seemed to discount the lower levels as significant. It does appear, based on newer studies, that children may have even higher levels of virus than adults. So Drosten's conclusion may have been correct, though that doesn't validate his means to it. Most scientists agree with the conclusion of a recent study that masks have a large effect in stopping the spread of the virus, but the study has still been ripped to shreds.
I made the same point upthread. Drosten used 10 year groups. If he had grouped 0-10 with 11-20, he would have had a larger sample size, and a higher degree of significance, though even then the sample would have been smaller than one would want.
So, my apologies if my Gimli reponse above was a bit insensitive. I was trying to keep it light.Will we die????
The orange man said that kids don't "transport it". He doesn't care that kids get it, because only a small percent of them die.
That all goes to show why we should've prioritized strategies to open schools during the summer months. Did we do that? No*, we hoped the virus would disappear while opening up major avenues of transmission. Nice job all around....
*NYC did by following stricter guidelines and they will be opening schools while the test positivity is around 1%.
As for people discussing how this all ends. People should go back and read how incredibly difficult it was to get countries virus free during the Ebola outbreak. And that was an outbreak that was geographically constrained and clinically much more obvious to spot. Mitigation strategies will help us limit the virus like in China. But getting it to absolute zero is something that I don't think we can do at this stage, barring a vaccine hail mary.
Florida tested about 58K with a population of 21 million in the middle of an outbreak. NYC shows what you can do even if you screwed up royally at the beginning. They didn't compound their errors by opening up bars as soon as people got slightly bored. Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a white flag of surrender put forth mostly by people who think 20% is the the level of herd immunity. It is not. Every state in the country should be testing at 1-2% by now. There is no excuse for not doing so.Around 8.3 million residents in NYC. Yesterday a bit over 23,000 were tested. They are really getting after it.
Nearly 33,000 dead in NY, most of those in NYC metro. If you are arguing that the herd immunity idea was the way to go then I guess this might be a reason they are testing at 1% now.
The thing about COVID-19 is how predictable so much of this has really been. I don't have an epi degree, but even I could see what was patently obvious back in March.
Florida tested about 58K with a population of 21 million in the middle of an outbreak. NYC shows what you can do even if you screwed up royally at the beginning. They didn't compound their errors by opening up bars as soon as people got slightly bored. Herd immunity is not a strategy, it is a white flag of surrender put forth mostly by people who think 20% is the the level of herd immunity. It is not. Every state in the country should be testing at 1-2% by now. There is no excuse for not doing so.
I would not say that his data indicated they were lower. But of course you can interpret the data differently.I discussed the Drosten study upthread. What Drosten concluded was that children had levels of virus as high as adults, though his data indicated they were lower.
As I said before he was critized for different things. Of course you allways wish for larger sample sizes. But you only have so much patients. I don't think you can blame him for that The statistical methods were fair. But of course you can have a different point of view.He was criticized because of the small sample size and quetionable statistics, that seemed to discount the lower levels as significant.
It does appear, based on newer studies, that children may have even higher levels of virus than adults. So Drosten's conclusion may have been correct, though that doesn't validate his means to it. Most scientists agree with the conclusion of a recent study that masks have a large effect in stopping the spread of the virus, but the study has still been ripped to shreds.
I was to unspecific. I remember two econometricians criticizing the work on Twitter and one of their main messages was: You should put all under 18 together, because then results gets significant. (Generally you should be very careful to merge or split groups after you see the data. By this you can create artificial significance). I think you remembered the serious critic, which is the right thing to do. But I am still a little bit angry about the shady critic.
Like I said before you should not merge or split groups after you see the data. You can create artificial significance and if I understand you correctly, then it is indeed artificial significance since newer study show that children have indeed no lower viral load. Second, if childreen of different age have indeed different amounts of viral load and you merge the groups, then you get into all sorts of statistical troubles since most methods need homogenous groups. You can work around this, but this is probably more harmful with regard to power than working with two groups.I made the same point upthread. Drosten used 10 year groups. If he had grouped 0-10 with 11-20, he would have had a larger sample size, and a higher degree of significance, though even then the sample would have been smaller than one would want.
Today. Looks like the Pac-12 will be next to make the official announcement. I am impressed that the ACC remains resolute. They claim to want to wait until the students get back on campus. How do they suppose that is going to work out? The heart damage issue is going to be the main cause of this cancellation, but the inability of MLB to function without bubbles must be weighing on people's minds. Harbaugh made good points yesterday that he had managed no positives in his program recently, but MLB has shown how difficult it is to manage outbreaks once the inevitable happens. The Cardinals haven't played since July and football locker rooms are even worse petri dishes IME.Saw a tweet that college admins are beginning to get cold feet about the NCAA Football season. There is soooooo much money involved, but I just don't see how they can do training camps in 4-6 weeks. Still very skeptical of that happening.
From June.
Today. Looks like the Pac-12 will be next to make the official announcement. I am impressed that the ACC remains resolute. They claim to want to wait until the students get back on campus. How do they suppose that is going to work out? The heart damage issue is going to be the main cause of this cancellation, but the inability of MLB to function without bubbles must be weighing on people's minds. Harbaugh made good points yesterday that he had managed no positives in his program recently, but MLB has shown how difficult it is to manage outbreaks once the inevitable happens. The Cardinals haven't played since July and football locker rooms are even worse petri dishes IME.
View: https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1293256841296842759
The Gamaleya Research Institute, part of Russia’s Ministry of Health, launched a Phase 1 trial in June of a vaccine they call Gam-Covid-Vac Lyo. It is a combination of two adenoviruses, Ad5 and Ad26, both engineered with a coronavirus gene. In July, the chair of the upper house of Russia’s Parliament announced the country might start vaccine production by the end of the year. On Aug. 11, President Vladimir V. Putin announced that a Russian health care regulator had approved the vaccine, despite the lack of Phase 3 testing.