
US refuses to join international effort to develop Covid-19 vaccine
Decision is ‘real blow’ to Covax project, expert says, with White House blaming stance on role of WHO and China

This is like saying you weren't killed by the car that ran over you because you were too fat and slow to run. If the car wasn't on the road you'd still be fat and slow. BS to data manipulation for political purposes.One distance runner In his 30’s dies from C19.... So, therefore, what?
The CDC report is probably not something you are very excited about. Your distance runner is in the 6% minority where the death was only COVID related. The other 94% dead had between 2 - 3 other comorbities where COVID was a contributor.
The point is this thing is not what you are describing and I‘m confident you know it.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q
Oh, and herd immunity is exactly what condition? Where 100% of the population has been infected and recovered from the first version of C19 simultaneously? How efficient that sounds considering the question about efficacy of the immunity period is far from confirmed. This virus will continue to mutate and circle around until vaccines provide enough breathing room along with a reduced profile of infected/transmitter population; so many feel. Or, as DT would put it: "people are saying..." whether anyone said sh*t or not.This is like saying you weren't killed by the car that ran over you because you were too fat and slow to run. If the car wasn't on the road you'd still be fat and slow. BS to data manipulation for political purposes.
Most flu deaths come from the most prominent weakness of the victim whether they're aware of it or not. That or complications that come from it.
This would be funny if this was an onion headline. Unfortunately, this is real.
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Dorms, who could've imagined that they might not be ideal living situations during a pandemic.
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agree completely about faith in government. If a fire person makes false medical claims to @340 million people,that person should be held responsible..and if they did intentionally,more than once..why can America execute criminals for a single murder and a serial killer go unpunished?Ultimate faith in government will lead you and everyone else to... this.
And this is what I was looking for. Our COVID response is not the template for our flu response. We can - as people- no longer tolerate the risk of everyday life.This is like saying you weren't killed by the car that ran over you because you were too fat and slow to run. If the car wasn't on the road you'd still be fat and slow. BS to data manipulation for political purposes.
Most flu deaths come from the most prominent weakness of the victim whether they're aware of it or not. That or complications that come from it.
No actually. In the absence of a vaccine - which is a helluva long way from any sort of certainty - herd immunity is all that remains of any sort of strategy. And without a vaccine we will eventually get there. Some parts of the globe quicker than others.It is simply insane that some people are still banking on naturally-occurring herd immunity as a strategy.
That assumes you understand the definition of “murder.” Pretty clearly you do not.agree completely about faith in government. If a fire person makes false medical claims to @340 million people,that person should be held responsible..and if they did intentionally,more than once..why can America execute criminals for a single murder and a serial killer go unpunished?
murder is murder
well, stock up your bunker. Sounds like you will be there for an extended period.Oh, and herd immunity is exactly what condition? Where 100% of the population has been infected and recovered from the first version of C19 simultaneously? How efficient that sounds considering the question about efficacy of the immunity period is far from confirmed. This virus will continue to mutate and circle around until vaccines provide enough breathing room along with a reduced profile of infected/transmitter population; so many feel. Or, as DT would put it: "people are saying..." whether anyone said sh*t or not.
Same way we've reached herd immunity against the common cold?No actually. In the absence of a vaccine - which is a helluva long way from any sort of certainty - herd immunity is all that remains of any sort of strategy. And without a vaccine we will eventually get there. Some parts of the globe quicker than others.
Okay. In the absence of a vaccine and herd immunity how do you see this developing? At some point the lockdown effects will be more devastating than the virus.Same way we've reached herd immunity against the common cold?
We simply don't know if natural herd immunity is possible, and currently the signs point to "no".
Maybe at some point governments will realize that strict but relatively short and localized lockdowns coupled with widespread mask usage, social distancing, strict border controls and widespread contact tracing are preferable to half-arsed lockdowns where you reopen as soon as you can get away with it, so things get out of hand and eventually you're forced to do exactly what you were trying to avoid, except after quite a few deaths and on a wider scale. Nationalize and tax as necessary to redistribute wealth and sustain those who can't work.Okay. In the absence of a vaccine and herd immunity how do you see this developing? At some point the lockdown effects will be more devastating than the virus.
I tend to agree with this. There is very little quality evidence that herd immunity can be achieved by a pathogen alone without the aid of vaccination. Measles didn't generate herd immunity broadly. Neither did smallpox and they were more infectious. The analogy I would use is a dog chasing its tail. Tempting, but always just out of reach.Same way we've reached herd immunity against the common cold?
We simply don't know if natural herd immunity is possible, and currently the signs point to "no".
Again, you assume a vaccine is on the way in short order. You don't know that. And you also assume there are no adverse consequences to the "relatively short" lockdowns, social distancing and the like.Maybe at some point governments will realize that strict but relatively short and localized lockdowns coupled with widespread mask usage, social distancing, strict border controls and widespread contact tracing are preferable to half-arsed lockdowns where you reopen as soon as you can get away with it, so things get out of hand and eventually you're forced to do exactly what you were trying to avoid, except after quite a few deaths and on a wider scale.
What would the efficacy have to be to be effective given what we all suspect to be true: people will not stand in line to get this vaccination in overly great numbers... or numbers high enough to make a big difference.I remain more bullish on the vaccine front.
https://www.ajpmonline.org/article/S0749-3797(20)30284-1/fulltextSimulation experiments revealed that to prevent an epidemic (reduce the peak by >99%), the vaccine efficacy has to be at least 60% when vaccination coverage is 100% (reproduction number=2.5–3.5). This vaccine efficacy threshold rises to 70% when coverage drops to 75% and up to 80% when coverage drops to 60% when reproduction number is 2.5, rising to 80% when coverage drops to 75% when the reproduction number is 3.5. To extinguish an ongoing epidemic, the vaccine efficacy has to be at least 60% when coverage is 100% and at least 80% when coverage drops to 75% to reduce the peak by 85%–86%, 61%–62%, and 32% when vaccination occurs after 5%, 15%, and 30% of the population, respectively, have already been exposed to COVID-19 coronavirus. A vaccine with an efficacy between 60% and 80% could still obviate the need for other measures under certain circumstances such as much higher, and in some cases, potentially unachievable, vaccination coverages.