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On CNBC they were saying that the plan is most at risk and first responders (not essential workers) are the first group that would have the vaccine available in January. The rest of the population would be able to start getting the vaccine in April.
 
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On CNBC they were saying that the plan is most at risk and first responders (not essential workers) are the first group that would have the vaccine available in January. The rest of the population would be able to start getting the vaccine in April.
yes there are those offerings also..just would get dizzy trying to factor even California,New York and Texas..
all fire fighters,police, ambulance personnel,EMTs, doctors,nurses,hospital staff, in my case..what % of the multiple VA hospital employees just here in San Diego would be qualified?
So just the big population places first..Florida?
I have read mostly that the elderly and medical,front liners first..sounds like a big number
 
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yes there are those offerings also..just would get dizzy trying to factor even California,New York and Texas..
all fire fighters,police, ambulance personnel,EMTs, doctors,nurses,hospital staff, in my case..what % of the multiple VA hospital employees just here in San Diego would be qualified?
So just the big population places first..Florida?
I have read mostly that the elderly and medical,front liners first..sounds like a big number

Because it's the US we're talking huge numbers regardless. Medical front liners sound like who should be the first ones to be able to get it along with elderly and immune compromised people. Interesting question on the VA hospitals and currently I don't know the answer to that. I suspect VA Hospitals may be a second tier group as not anyone can just show up at those hospitals on the other hand, they have long term care sections. The other question with hospitals is it only medical staff or is it everyone who works in the hospital. There are many employees in hospitals (VA and regular) that are not medical personnel, but are essential.
 
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Yes that's the leadership you want in a crisis.....................
he's fully vested in the herd mentality....(his words). I would be curious if anyone has modeled the infection outfall of his final slate of campaign rallies? We should not let the serious political contributors to the infection slink away and not have any historical footnotes to mark them. Otherwise we could cakewalk into this situation again as his many sympathizers still retain office on many levels. Make the lessons learned from this disaster more accountable, and definitive.
 
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It's clear now that Gov. Gavin Newsome should resign. His episode at the French Laundry restaurant is inexcusable. He has worked hard during the pandemic and has very mixed results. California is an enormous part of the American economy and the American food supply. Newsom said that he would follow science,follow the numbers. And in and out of court, and in the court of public opinion..he has blundered..leaving pot dispensary and tattoo studios open..crazy in every way..but closing churches and schools..but nail tips are a Covid free pass..?
Now he has really really fallen off of his soapbox..



 

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It's clear now that Gov. Gavin Newsome should resign. His episode at the French Laundry restaurant is inexcusable. He has worked hard during the pandemic and has very mixed results. California is an enormous part of the American economy and the American food supply. Newsom said that he would follow science,follow the numbers. And in and out of court, and in the court of public opinion..he has blundered..leaving pot dispensary and tattoo studios open..crazy in every way..but closing churches and schools..but nail tips are a Covid free pass..?
Now he has really really fallen off of his soapbox..




What in the actual F? You are just now coming to the conclusion that Newsom is a Pelosi grifter?

Ok, better later than never... but come on.
 
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It's clear now that Gov. Gavin Newsome should resign. His episode at the French Laundry restaurant is inexcusable. He has worked hard during the pandemic and has very mixed results. California is an enormous part of the American economy and the American food supply. Newsom said that he would follow science,follow the numbers. And in and out of court, and in the court of public opinion..he has blundered..leaving pot dispensary and tattoo studios open..crazy in every way..but closing churches and schools..but nail tips are a Covid free pass..?
Now he has really really fallen off of his soapbox..



So this was stupid. If everyone had previously tested virus-negative and had plenty of distancing it is still personally and professionally stupid.
By the same standard the current WH occupant should be banned to a small desert island with only his supporters to serve him.
I don't like either situation but outrage needs a scale this day as one of these two is trying to protect citizens in his state while the other is actively contemplating attacking foreign countries before his successor can be briefed or assume authority. That second person is doing absolutely nothing to alleviate the increased Covid body count which he has conveniently blamed the state authorities for since March. Which condition and stupid act is more dangerous to us?
 
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Protecting the vulnerable has morphed into to visit them for Thanksgiving because they are probably about to die anyway. Their arguments are so transparently illogical that it boggles the mind that Atlas is the chief scientist in charge of the COVID task force.

View: https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1328502026381176832
We'll be doing exactly that this Thanksgiving. Not because Dr. Mabuse....Atlas suggested it. My wife's mother lives in a secured adult community and they are temperature checked daily. My wife and I will get C19 tests and not visit anyone for a week prior with the only other guest as her other daughter. The other family members are having separate, small household get togethers and we'll Zoom session at some point. There are still risks to that but my Mother-in law and myself will not be hugging and 6' of distance is just fine....

As for doc Atlas I have a clarification of a suggestion in an earlier post: By the same standard the current WH occupant should be banned to a small desert island with only his supporters to serve him.
The clarification would have the assertive doctor being assigned to the island, let's call the island Men ta Nogo. Dr. Scott would closely, very closely attend to the medical well being of the Chief of the island and administer daily lower GI tract cleansings. This would assure that the diet of the Chief is being monitored and the doctor would gain some real and metaphorical insight into the value of his recommendations.
 
This is interesting because when I check the latest Covid stats for the US deaths seem relatively flat despite the near exponential spike in cases. Likewise I checked the stats for Texas (World-o-meter). Texas is recording a 3 day moving average of 123 deaths per day to Nov 16. The 3 day moving average on Aug 16 was 261 deaths per day. This is very obvious with any casual or detailed study of the charts. So why are Texas morgues having difficulty coping with a 44% decline?

Please explain?
 
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This is interesting because when I check the latest Covid stats for the US deaths seem relatively flat despite the near exponential spike in cases. Likewise I checked the stats for Texas (World-o-meter). Texas is recording a 3 day moving average of 123 deaths per day to Nov 16. The 3 day moving average on Aug 16 was 261 deaths per day. This is very obvious with any casual or detailed study of the charts. So why are Texas morgues having difficulty coping with a 44% decline?

Please explain?

If you go to the COVID-19 reports section here


and pick the reports for the last 7 days, so each daily report from 11th to 17th of November

There are 100 confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 and 66 under investigation in the same period. Population of El Paso is under a million, so about 1/30th of the population in Texas.

You can do the math yourself how many deaths per day there would have been in Texas if the rate was the same as in El Paso.

or what djp wrote, in other words
 
when I check the latest Covid stats for the US deaths seem relatively flat despite the near exponential spike in cases

As i pointed out upthread, deaths lag about three weeks, at least, behind cases. In fact, deaths in the U.S as a whole are rising. From the Worldometer:

Oct. 1 -7: 5055
Oct 8 - 14: 5081
Oct. 15-21: 5571
Oct. 22-28: 5727
Oct. 29-Nov. 4: 6259
Nov 5 - Nov. 11: 7562
Nov. 11 - 17: 8137 (and not complete)

Deaths have risen by 60% in the past five weeks. And as I noted upthread, at the current rate of daily new cases, at least 150,000, we can expect more than 2500 deaths per day in a few weeks, which would be more than double what we now have, and about three and a half times what the rate was in early October.

The rate of deaths we are seeing now is very similar to the rate at the peak last summer, because it reflects the case rate of about three weeks ago, late October, which was similar to the case rate at the peak in July. This is an average across the entire country, and the pattern of hotspots is somewhat different, but at this point, the case mortality rate appears to have stabilized at about 1.75%. Barring some major advances in treatment, or some new, more effective way of shielding those at risk, I don't think that rate is going to change much.

Protecting the vulnerable has morphed into to visit them for Thanksgiving because they are probably about to die anyway. Their arguments are so transparently illogical that it boggles the mind that Atlas is the chief scientist in charge of the COVID task force.

"They were going to die, anyway" is the view of a large fraction of people. I've seen this view expressed by many people on other forums. This is why Trump hasn't taken the pandemic very seriously. He and his enablers usually don't state this honestly, but it comes out in the support for herd immunity, and Trump's argument that only 0.1% of infected die.
 
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