The WH has been strangely silent about nursing home mortality in states other than NY. Guess that takes away from fund raising time...er-"legitimate" election challenges. Wonder what the big box Evangelical franchises will have to say when the faithful don't have enough cash to tithe for another Bizjet fer Jezus because they donated it all to the election challenge PAC? That fund raising effort will go on as long as people keep sending money in, gaaaarunteed.
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That accident is a very tiny number of participants and hence the reason they have to fully redo their phase 3 trial. I refuse to take their vaccine due to how their trial has gone so far and the way they released the information. I personally couldn't care less about the cost difference. Two of the trial sites for all of the vaccines are 2 and a half hours from me so my being able to access the Pfizer vaccine also is not an issue once it's available. I will not take the AstraZenica one.
Maybe regularly test this cohort of workers. Sometimes the simplest steps are overlooked.
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I'd follow the science. I'd ask and persuade people to do the safe thing but I would not trample anyone's Liberty. I'd stop pretending Covid discriminates against people with certain political beliefs. I'd not use the pandemic to remake society in a more progressive way. I would not shutter/fine/arrest business owners who have taken every possible measure to provide their service in as safe a way as possible. I would acknowledge and recognize the catastrophic damage caused to those who the pandemic has destroyed financially and not smugly shrug my shoulders and say "too bad for you.' I'd recognize the damage done (primarily) to disadvantaged kids and I would not allow public teachers unions to flush a generation down the toilet in order to re-imagine education in this Country.
I could go on but there's no point. It's like my vote for President in California - a complete waste.
But I'll just leave you with this. Take a stab at answering the questions posed by this small business owner in LA.
Anecdotally, there are issues with the short staffing that this kind of test might entail, so see no evil...... And that is not unique to nursing homes. I mentioned that my partner works in a clinic that does COVID-19 testing. Never once taken a test since the pandemic hit and is not encouraged to do so. We can see the big structural issues that have hampered the US covid response. But once you start to zoom in, you start to see how many more issues there are than you can even imagine. Just big red flashing lights all over. It was just a matter of time until something like this ripped the seams open.
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Kinda sounds like systemic issues with readiness spanning decades or more. We are only very good at printing money and creating debt. It's well past time we all admit at least that.
We are also pretty good at facilitating vaccine studies. It should be noted that one reason that a vaccine may take a long time to market is because you need time for people to get infected. That is not a problem here.
View: https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1336764099250827271
View: https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1336764099250827271
Nursing homes began doing this a long time ago. You can test negative for several days after you have been infected, during which time you may become infectious.
I think at this point, based on only a few tens of thousands of subjects, it's hard to gauge safety concerns. UK is already warning people with allergies not to take the Pfizer vaccine:
Allergy warning for Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine after UK health workers with allergy history suffer reaction | CNN
People with a "significant history of allergic reactions" should not be given the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, UK health authorities said Wednesday, after two healthcare workers had symptoms after receiving a shot the day before.
Keep in mind that by the time most people get a chance to take a vaccine, it will have been given to tens of millions people--a thousand times greater number than those in the phase 3 trials. Because of that, and the longer period of time in which those millions will have had the vaccine, we will have a much better ability to judge the probability of side effects and other safety concerns.
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The ignorant radicals have gone insane here in ID. They march around, armed like soldiers at war, and intimidate intelligent people.
This^...it unfortunate that health care people and our seniors will be Guinea Pigs for the rest of us, but by the time I get vaccinated, we will know way more than we do now.Nursing homes began doing this a long time ago. You can test negative for several days after you have been infected, during which time you may become infectious.
I think at this point, based on only a few tens of thousands of subjects, it's hard to gauge safety concerns. UK is already warning people with allergies not to take the Pfizer vaccine:
Allergy warning for Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine after UK health workers with allergy history suffer reaction | CNN
People with a "significant history of allergic reactions" should not be given the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, UK health authorities said Wednesday, after two healthcare workers had symptoms after receiving a shot the day before.edition.cnn.com
Keep in mind that by the time most people get a chance to take a vaccine, it will have been given to tens of millions people--a thousand times greater number than those in the phase 3 trials. Because of that, and the longer period of time in which those millions will have had the vaccine, we will have a much better ability to judge the probability of side effects and other safety concerns.
Crunch time looms for intensive care beds as US faces dark pandemic winter
More than a third of Americans are living in areas where hospitals are running critically low on ICU capacity
It actually works out well, I think. Whatever the risks of an adverse reaction, they should be considerably lower than the risk of dying for a NH patient. Almost 10% of NH patients have died, there is no way that the odds of dying from vaccination remotely approach that number. And if the vaccine protects these patients, we can potentially reduce 40% of the deaths by vaccinating less than 0.5% of the population. In fact, because mortality rate is so much higher for older people, we should be able to reduce deaths by 90% or more long before those first 100 million people are vaccinated.
But in the short term...we are about to exceed 3000 deaths today, for the first time. And with daily cases still exceeding 200,000, I don't see how average number of deaths/day can fall below 3000 before the end of the year.
My guess is that the film company brings in far more money for the economy than a restaurant does. Is it fair that the film should be allowed to have outdoor dining when there's a blanket banning of that for all restaurants? No. Would I personally allow it? No. But you could make the argument that the benefit/risk ratio--where benefit is money brought in, and risk is number of deaths from spread of the virus--is higher for the film company than for the restaurant.
In fact, I don't know what other reasoning could be driving that decision. I really don't think it's because the film company is owned by someone who is close friends with Newsom, who granted this as a favor. I could be wrong, but I imagine Newsom was persuaded by the number of jobs that the film company provides.
Look at it this way, Chris. Newsom has two other alternatives. He could bar the film company from having communal meals, also. That would remove the hypocritical element, but that restaurant owner, and so many others like her, would still be just as angry, and just as much in economic peril. Or he could allow outdoor dining, risking that that will increase the spread of the virus.
I will concede we don't have the data to say with any confidence how much it will increase the spread. But keep in mind that even if small business owners like that woman go to great lengths to make the environment as potentially safe as possible, you're still going to have individual customers who won't. As long as businesses are open, and people are allowed to congregate, social distancing and other rules are going to be broken by some people. Not because they necessarily don't believe in these rules, and intentionally want to flout them, but because people aren't perfect, we're all used to living in a different way, and it can be very hard to maintain a different style.
I recently went into a small store for the first time in eight months. After all that time, I really enjoyed just being around people again, and I saw how easy it was to let down my guard. A very small place like that could build up a significant concentration of virus in the air if an infectious person came in, and while the odds that someone like that would be there while i was might be fairly low, anyone working. there most of the day would be at risk, and therefore could potentially infect anyone who came in there.
I went in there with the aim of buying what I needed as quickly as possible, and getting out, and still I had to fight the desire to linger. It had just been so long since I had been in such an environment.
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NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions
Two health service workers experienced symptoms after receiving Pfizer vaccine
As the only allergies I have are to perfumes and such that isn't a concern for me. My husband on the other hand is allergic to just about everything (except food and so far medications). Unfortunately for him he may not be able to get the vaccine early even though he's labeled by the hospital he works at as high risk, that same reason for high risk may prevent early vaccination as well. (Unfortunately he's still sick and we still don't know what is causing it and he may end up at one of the two university hospitals. The effect is he has pneumonia.)
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Maybe... but if you consider all the restaurants with outdoor dining in LA I can imagine it will go the other direction.
I don’t think so. I think it’s 100% power and influence. TV and film is considered essential? On what planet? News and radio I understand.. but if we have to watch re-runs for a year then Hollywood is just going to have to get over it. Or some would have thought.
Are you saying that some people's pre-existing conditions may make them less likely, rather than more likely, to receive the vaccine earlier? Has your husband been told that there's concern that he would be more likely to have an adverse reaction to the vaccine?
I remember your posting about this a while back, so I gather your husband has been sick for quite a while. Have you exhaustively ruled out that he isn't suffering from long-term effects of C19? Keep in mind that these effects can long outlast the presence of the virus in the body. It's theoretically possible that your husband was infected, and showed no symptoms for a while. When he finally did, the virus was gone, so he would have tested negative. But I think you mentioned that he was negative for antibodies as well?
But also more spread. Look at it this way. Consider one tent, or one unit of so many square feet of space. For the restaurant, that represents the owner, and how many other people she employs. How many people is that? I don't know, there are cooks, dishwashers, waiters, maybe a dozen? If you divide the total number of restaurants into the total number of people employed by them, you come up with about 15, but obviously it depends on the size, type of restaurant, etc.
For the film company, everyone eating in that area is an employee. From that video, it could be forty or fifty people just in one unit. Moreover, they are only there for an hour or so for each meal, whereas the restaurant has people for long hours. So while I'm flying by the seat of my pants here, I could see that the number of employees per risk could be far higher for the film company. But I'll also add that even if that's the case, and that was Newsom's reasoning, he should be very transparent about that. Because in the absence of transparency, most people probably will think like you, that it's all power, money and influence.
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Yes, it's possible. My husband has RA, and the trials would not accept anyone with auto immune diseases. I looked in to it.
He originally got really sick in March. The thing is he hasn't even come close to recovering from it. Had multiple negative Covid tests, got diagnosed with pneumonia at the local hospital where I still am in Sept and has not gotten better since then. Basically has had constant sinus drainage since February. He had tested negative for antibodies in June. Tested negative for Covid multiple times. Now recently he did test positive for Covid, so now it seems he's managed to get that on top of whatever it is he's been dealing with since last winter. The stuff that's in his chest he hasn't been able to cough up since the hospital diagnosed him in Sept. He's in the Raleigh/Durham area now. The doctor there wants him to see a specialist, but needs to figure out how to get the stuff out of his chest/lungs first and that may end up with a trip to the hospital. Hence my ensuring that the two university hospitals (thankfully) take our insurance. I don't know if him going to Duke or UNC Chapel Hill hospital would make any difference.
Nursing homes began doing this a long time ago. You can test negative for several days after you have been infected, during which time you may become infectious.
I think at this point, based on only a few tens of thousands of subjects, it's hard to gauge safety concerns. UK is already warning people with allergies not to take the Pfizer vaccine:
Allergy warning for Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine after UK health workers with allergy history suffer reaction | CNN
People with a "significant history of allergic reactions" should not be given the Pfizer/BioNTech coronavirus vaccine, UK health authorities said Wednesday, after two healthcare workers had symptoms after receiving a shot the day before.
Keep in mind that by the time most people get a chance to take a vaccine, it will have been given to tens of millions people--a thousand times greater number than those in the phase 3 trials. Because of that, and the longer period of time in which those millions will have had the vaccine, we will have a much better ability to judge the probability of side effects and other safety concerns.
I can assure you that regular testing in aged care centres, quarantine centres, etc is not standard within and outside of countries. Hong Kong only started regularly testing aged care workers two or three months, while Australia wasn't doing it on a regular basis until the latest qaurantine outbreak in Adelaide last month and it is still not standard across the country - The whole idea with regularly testing this cohort is to nip it in the bud as soon as possible which is impossible to do with no regulrar testing.
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What is weird about kids, besides everything..anybody who has ever been around one knows that they are filthy. Covid commandos using logic..if hand washing is good..necessary then kids are bad because they don't wash their hands or anything else. Kids, social distancing..those can't be compatible..but it turns out so far what would seem obvious isn't, cause children are doing well in the problems of the pandemic,despite themselves.
And kids are different everywhere..environmental wise..American fear about " a lost generation "..our kids falling behind..
none of it's true..American kids go to school more and learn less..American kids skip recess,art and music and end up getting short changed..the long term damage caused to our kids,especially when vaccines are coming..what acting like a myopic *** looks like..what not knowing how to pick your battles looks like..
Our kids will be fine..and testing them on reading,writing and rythmatic' was a bad idea because they were not doing great in any of those anyway..
www.pewresearch.org
And kids are different everywhere..environmental wise..American fear about " a lost generation "..our kids falling behind..
none of it's true..American kids go to school more and learn less..American kids skip recess,art and music and end up getting short changed..the long term damage caused to our kids,especially when vaccines are coming..what acting like a myopic *** looks like..what not knowing how to pick your battles looks like..
Our kids will be fine..and testing them on reading,writing and rythmatic' was a bad idea because they were not doing great in any of those anyway..
U.S. students' academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries
U.S. students continue to rank near the middle, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international math, science and reading assessments.
www.pewresearch.org
I was referring to the U.S., that should have been obvious from the context of the discussion. The testing is not uniform across the U.S.--there are problems in particular about using the antigen tests, which are faster--but everyone has long since been aware that staff bring in the virus. I will say that if NH staff and residents could be tested as regularly and as efficiently as pro athletes, a lot of these problems would disappear.
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We're also good at risk management in alot of businesses because the liability consequences are catastrophic. Most of the hangup in the current "recovery" legislation is over the GOP desire to include carte'blanche, no-fault indemnification for corporations. This, while most relief would be in the form of basic, extended unemployment benefits.
We'd like to think that most business operations would do everything they could to protect employees and many have chosen to shut down for that reason. There are those that may be inept and those that are primarily concerned with profit/business survival. Chris G could go on about that and show you the small town bar owner as an example....
Add to it the Executive orders designating food production industries as essential during the first big wave (with implied forbearance liability for the industry owners) and you have meat processing companies forcing workers to toil in a primitive bubble system until most of them had Covid. Thanks, Dakotas; your governors embraced that kiss of the ring immediately. Now you've got the rolling consequences and doubled down on the rolling Thunder at Sturgis, the evangelical DT rally at Mt Rushmore. Kristi Noem should have to work the intubation ward without a mask or a work break to understand what the situation is.
We are good at divisive interpretations of reality but the money being printed is new currency in this executive term. The trend started before Covid and none of the President's faithful could muster a peep of resistance except Rand Paul. Now that he's had Covid he is silent because he can't put words to the insanity he sees. As most here that are in the medical field will tell you: we've had a cakewalk compared to what's coming after January. The vaccine will help the mindful but the casualty count will go up so no one remains to go the the bar...that's out of business 'cause the owner got the bug.
Japan Covid cases reach daily record as 'third wave' hits
A record 555 people are in hospital with serious symptoms, with military nurses requested to help overstretched health services
There are no excuses to not regularly test essential staff. The problem is authorities have been using testing in a reactive way, rather than in a proactive way. At the end of the day the actions of Government does not match their rhetoric of protecting the elderly.
One of the most concerning to look at with vaccines is autoimmune diseases. Vaccine-induced autoimmune diseases can sometimes take years to manifest themselves. And these pathologies are difficult to treat and usually are permanent.
Vaccination and autoimmune diseases: is prevention of adverse health effects on the horizon? - PubMed
Autoimmune diseases, including multiple sclerosis and type 1 diabetes mellitus, affect about 5% of the worldwide population. In the last decade, reports have accumulated on various autoimmune disorders, such as idiopathic thrombocytopenia purpura, myopericarditis, primary ovarian failure, and...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
And didn't it take years for Dr. Offit to safely develop the rotavirus vaccine?
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I think he's talking about the Nuremberg Code that was established after the defeat of Nazi Germany during the Nuremberg war crime trials. The Nazi medical system had been conducting experiments involving medical treatments, surgeries, drugs, etc, on Jewish & German citizens without consent and against their will. The Nuremberg code laid the foundation that governments can't conduct medical experiments without informed consent and that people can't be subjected to force, coercion, duress, fraud & deceit. There must be free power of choice (you'd be surprised how many people have never heard of the Nuremberg Code...college educated and all).
I think Yeadon feels this is a postmarketing trial phase where it's still experimental. And judging from the language used by the MHRA in the contract with the AI company hired to monitor the anticipated high number of ADRs, it sounds like there's great uncertainty on how the vaccine with interact with "millions of people's immune systems."
UK to use AI for COVID-19 vaccine side effects
Software company Genpact UK has been paid £1.5m for an AI tool that will be used to process the adverse reactions of the COVID-19 vaccines.
www.healthcareitnews.com
"The types of vaccine being developed, such as the MRNA and chimpanzee adenovirus are relatively new, making it hard to predict how they will interact with millions of people's immune systems."
"The contract from MHRA also concedes that the timelines of the coronavirus vaccine has been accelerated so fast that an accurate analysis of their safety may not be available when they start to be trialled in mational immunisation campaigns"
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