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Jagartrott

Jagartrott

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The vaccination drive is picking up steam here, because more and more vaccines are finally delivered (mainly thanks to BioNTech/Pfizer). Thursday and Friday, over 100,000 people got vaccinated on each day (Belgian population: 11.5 million). Currently, over 20% of the adult population has had at least a first dose. It's still going by age, and my parents (both 68 y/o) have received their invitation letter for next week (Pfizer).

It should now be going faster and faster, and hopefully by the end of June or early July, every adult will have gotten the chance to get a first shot. Remarkable differences in vaccination take-up between Flanders and Brussels/Wallonia, by the way: significantly higher in Flanders (85-90%) than in the south (65-70%). France is pretty vaccine-skeptic, somehow, and this seems to partially trickle down to my French-speaking compatriots.
 
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Jagartrott said:
The vaccination drive is picking up steam here, because more and more vaccines are finally delivered (mainly thanks to BioNTech/Pfizer). Thursday and Friday, over 100,000 people got vaccinated on each day (Belgian population: 11.5 million). Currently, over 20% of the adult population has had at least a first dose. It's still going by age, and my parents (both 68 y/o) have received their invitation letter for next week (Pfizer).

It should now be going faster and faster, and hopefully by the end of June or early July, every adult will have gotten the chance to get a first shot. Remarkable differences in vaccination take-up between Flanders and Brussels/Wallonia, by the way: significantly higher in Flanders (85-90%) than in the south (65-70%). France is pretty vaccine-skeptic, somehow, and this seems to partially trickle down to my French-speaking compatriots.
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Then you're faster than us, despite probably having the same amount of vaccine. We're a bit over 15% now. (Or you have more first doses and here more second doses, don't know.)

Edit: Ah, forget it, you say 20% of adults, 15% refer to general population.
 
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Jagartrott

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Yeah, all of Europe is more or less in the same peloton, with the exception of the ones that ordered less of the Pfizer and more of the AZ (e.g. Croatia) or vice versa (e.g. Malta). Though hearing from Keram, some nations will in the coming months no longer be limited by vaccine supply but by willingness to be vaccinated.
 
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Keram said:
I report I finally feeling alive and strong :D I had higher temperature about 24 hours. Yesterday I felt sick. Today I feel completely healthy. Sore arm and headache in area of my eyes persist though.
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Good to hear you're doing better! :)

I had what felt like a sinus headache after my first Pfizer dose for a few days, but then it went back to wherever it had come from. No biggie, it just means the vaccine is doing what it's supposed, second dose of Pfizer coming up next weekend.
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
Good to hear you're doing better! :)

I had what felt like a sinus headache after my first Pfizer dose for a few days, but then it went back to wherever it had come from. No biggie, it just means the vaccine is doing what it's supposed, second dose of Pfizer coming up next weekend.
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You're getting your second Pfizer dose about the same time as my husband is. He's getting his second dose a week from Monday. In his case it's 4 weeks apart instead of 3, but that's due to work and where he's having to get it.
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
Good to hear you're doing better! :)

I had what felt like a sinus headache after my first Pfizer dose for a few days, but then it went back to wherever it had come from. No biggie, it just means the vaccine is doing what it's supposed, second dose of Pfizer coming up next weekend.
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Thank you!

It was probably my common headache when I am sick or have fever. It is gone now. Anyway it wasnt that bad after all. Waiting 10 weeks for second dose :D
 
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djpbaltimore

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Keram said:
What about Chile guys? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/chile/
With their vaccination pace this surge is very worrying.
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It shows that vaccination is not sufficient alone to halt outbreaks. Viruses can spread exponentially. Humans can't vaccinate exponentially. Chile at ~40% vaccination is still well below herd immunity so R can still be >1. If the USA had more variants like Chile, we would also have similar issues. Michigan looks a lot like them right now.
 
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dusty red roads said:
Wow, fascinating!

Potential side-effects in HK:
hongkongfp.com

Two more deaths, another nine temporary facial paralysis cases after Covid vaccinations | Hong Kong Free Press HKFP

Two more Hong Kong people have died and another nine have suffered temporary facial paralysis after receiving Covid-19 vaccines, an expert panel has reported. The latest deaths mean 10 people have now died in the city after vaccination, nine of whom received the Chinese-made Sinovac jab and one...
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This is old news which I've already mentioned upstream - Think it's up to 13 deaths which in most health authorities have investigated and found no DIRECT cause and effect relationship - This is from close to a million vaccinated people - Hong kong's biggest issue is a general reluctance to be vaccinated - HK's aim is to get at least 50% vaccination rates - This may seem low but all reports fail to exclude under 18's who are unable to be vaccinated which is often 20 to 25% of the population - So when authorities discuss 70 to 80% vaccination rates they are really talking about as a percentage of around 80% of the population.
 
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Vaccines which provide 50% coverage from serious illness is fine at the moment, when you consider the world situation - Over time you will find a greater number of vaccines with a higher level of coverage - People stressing about 50% coverage ignore the bigger picture.
 
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The China vaccine has a couple problems. Like AZ, it didn't choose the pre-fusion locked version of the spike protein and it is also using the least immunogenic platform. The immune system just doesn't typically respond well to killed/inactivated preparations of virus. The efficacy numbers being reported in various studies seem plausible to me. But, I agree with Yaco that this vaccine still has value. Chile also has contracts with J&J, but it is not like large shipments of that are going to materialize in the near future. Boosting with a more effective vaccine down the road will be possible once the dust settles.
 
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yaco said:
This is old news which I've already mentioned upstream - Think it's up to 13 deaths which in most health authorities have investigated and found no DIRECT cause and effect relationship - This is from close to a million vaccinated people - Hong kong's biggest issue is a general reluctance to be vaccinated - HK's aim is to get at least 50% vaccination rates - This may seem low but all reports fail to exclude under 18's who are unable to be vaccinated which is often 20 to 25% of the population - So when authorities discuss 70 to 80% vaccination rates they are really talking about as a percentage of around 80% of the population.
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Thanks for clarifying, I must have missed your previous post.
 
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djpbaltimore said:
That can be common even without COVID-19. For a while, there was a drive to get Boston the Summer games and the locals basically revolted over the idea. Similar when a DC/Baltimore bid was under consideration.
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Fair enough. In Japan's case it's definitely due to COVID, the majority of the public were all for the Olympics before that.
 
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This is getting ridiculous with these vaccines. A 52 yr old man in critical condition from Covid after receiving the J&J vaccine:

"Man in hospital with Covid-19 after receiving Johnson & Johnson vaccine."

www.google.com

Man in hospital with COVID-19 after receiving Johnson & Johnson vaccine

A New Jersey man is in the hospital with COVID-19 — just five weeks after being vaccinated. Francisco Cosme, 52, was ecstatic when he booked an appointment for the one-dose Johnson & Johnson va…
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This is actually pretty sad as the prognosis doesn't sound good for this guy. Imagine the joy & relief of finally receiving your Covid vaccine. You're happy, joyful & much relieved that the vaccine that so you eagerly waited for is going to protect you from getting Covid or at least becoming serious ill from an infection. But 5 weeks later you contract the virus and are now fighting for your life.

Deplorable!...and this one of the reasons I'm not interested in these vaccines!
 
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djpbaltimore

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The irony is what those type of anecdotes actually illustrate is the need for more vaccination.

Nomad said:
Not good for those who counted on protection from some of the variants:

"Isreal COVID-19 study finds "South Africa" variant able to "break through" Pfizer vaccine."

www.google.com

Israel COVID-19 study finds South Africa variant able to 'break through' Pfizer vaccine

A new study from Israel indicates the South Africa variant of the coronavirus can "break through" the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine to some degree.
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I think the data is more positive than negative. The main takeaway should be the importance of both vaccinations to contain the variants.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1380922920734711811
View: https://twitter.com/SternLab/status/1380922920734711811
 
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jmdirt

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Nomad said:
This is getting ridiculous with these vaccines. A 52 yr old man in critical condition from Covid after receiving the J&J vaccine:

"Man in hospital with Covid-19 after receiving Johnson & Johnson vaccine."

www.google.com

Man in hospital with COVID-19 after receiving Johnson & Johnson vaccine

A New Jersey man is in the hospital with COVID-19 — just five weeks after being vaccinated. Francisco Cosme, 52, was ecstatic when he booked an appointment for the one-dose Johnson & Johnson va…
www.google.com www.google.com

This is actually pretty sad as the prognosis doesn't sound good for this guy. Imagine the joy & relief of finally receiving your Covid vaccine. You're happy, joyful & much relieved that the vaccine that so you eagerly waited for is going to protect you from getting Covid or at least becoming serious ill from an infection. But 5 weeks later you contract the virus and are now fighting for your life.

Deplorable!...and this one of the reasons I'm not interested in these vaccines!
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You're too silly!
 
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Kaptain Kool

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Nomad said:
This is getting ridiculous with these vaccines. A 52 yr old man in critical condition from Covid after receiving the J&J vaccine:

"Man in hospital with Covid-19 after receiving Johnson & Johnson vaccine."

Deplorable!...and this one of the reasons I'm not interested in these vaccines!
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Wow! It looks like the vaccine gave him the virus! Add that to microchips and it's a deadly mix.
 
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