The guy worked for and run an organization that allowed dogs to be tortured. What do you expect from him. He is a known liar and not worth the time.
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The money and real estate is here. Better they flee to Armenia or Fraudfukistan and get shaken down by the locals there than cost the US the dollars to jail them. Their kids will torment them now they don't have cash and designer clothes.
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So, no proven quote suggesting he doesn't believe in immunity at all? There's alot of other stuff linked to that statement; much of it speculative but couldn't find the proof he tortured dogs or was a proven liar. Rand Paul saying that probably doesn't count as proof either.
By the way: almost everything you eat, wash with and ingest has been tested on animals in some form or another. If that's his main job I would be against that protocol. Dogs are nice and we love ours.
I realize you are old according to your screen name but I did not post anything up on natural acquired immunity, so why are you asking me for a quote? I am sure Nomad can answer you if he wants.
Fauci admits he told a "lie" about masks at the beginning of the pandemic. His own words. Some like to make an excuse and say it was a noble lie but he lied.
“There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”
The dogs experiments were done through a contract from an organization he is a leader in. There is an old saying about taking responsibility when you are in a position of leadership.
https://www.peta.org/media/news-rel...-about-fauci-dog-experiment-claims-says-peta/
Just because companies torture animals all the time does not make it ok and does not mean you have to defend fauci.
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I got my Moderna booster shot today. There seems to be some soreness there like there was for the original two doses. We'll see what other side effects show up.
My experience has been more mild than with the first two shots. I felt a little 'funky' last night, and slept poorly, but other than a tender injection area I feel OK today (also tired from not sleeping well I suppose).
Are you talking about all shampoo,soap,lotions,analgesics, 1000's of food items, cosmetics, fabrics, what??
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Animal testing | Pros, Cons, Debate, Arguments, Animals, Testing, Science, & Cosmetics | Britannica
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Animal Testing & Cosmetics
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Animal Testing and Medicine - PMC
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You figure anybody that loves animals,especially dogs,and specifically Beagles..would be first in line to embrace mRNA and RNA vaccine technologies..
And pretty wide net..kind of aiming a shotgun from space accuracy..that infectious disease specialist, doctor(s) would vast say or sway in animal testing,testing protocols.
but if that is a target in sight..I feel guilty for using petroleum products when I see a sea bird covered in oil..before I would have said it was my fault indirectly not directly. Stand corrected and arm in arm with the other end offender,Dr. Fauci..and I see using this same Tucker Targeting Technology that making death threats against Dr. Fauci's daughters for his professional conduct computes ..all coming into veiw..
N Y Times says that right around 1100 people a day dying
And pretty wide net..kind of aiming a shotgun from space accuracy..that infectious disease specialist, doctor(s) would vast say or sway in animal testing,testing protocols.
but if that is a target in sight..I feel guilty for using petroleum products when I see a sea bird covered in oil..before I would have said it was my fault indirectly not directly. Stand corrected and arm in arm with the other end offender,Dr. Fauci..and I see using this same Tucker Targeting Technology that making death threats against Dr. Fauci's daughters for his professional conduct computes ..all coming into veiw..
N Y Times says that right around 1100 people a day dying
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Your post led with: "So, the vaxx czar, and the guy who doesn't believe that natural immunity is exists against Covid,"
As for animal research; I wouldn't defend the practice no matter the benefit initially but Fauci being the scapegoat for long-held research practices is a stretch. As Unchained pointed out the newer research is headed the other way.
Someone here regularly debunked the use of masks, particularly outdoors. Check with him.
Ultra: I apologize for mixing a post from another forum user suggesting the immunity thing; you're not expected to respond to that question. Edit by very Oldermanish.
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Hoping I have more mild reaction to this as well. The sore arm I can deal with. I'd really prefer not to have chills again.
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Just do your worst/best... treat yourself nicely while you are going through it.
Did you read the link from Peta. They disagree with you. Apparently so does many because there are products available that do not test on animals and actually say it on the labels.Animal testing - Wikipedia
Animal testing | Pros, Cons, Debate, Arguments, Animals, Testing, Science, & Cosmetics | Britannica
Should animal testing be allowed? Learn the pros and cons of the debate.
Animal Testing & Cosmetics
An overview of FDA policy related to animal testing of cosmetic products and ingredients.www.fda.gov
Animal Testing and Medicine - PMC
No wrong again my post did not lead with "So, the vaxx czar, and the guy who doesn't believe that natural immunity is exists against Covid,"
Who are you suggesting does not embrace mRNA vax? The problem you have is your arguing with yourself. Who is Tucker? The guy from the news? Somehow I am responsible for someones death threats? The way your posts reads that is the point you are making. If that is the point you are a very sick person and should not be allowed to post this type of hateful postings.
And you are actually standing up for animal testing? Really? Some is a necessary evil but to take up for removing the bark from dogs and allowing sand flies to feed on them seems a little far. And granted I am sure fauci did not personally approve what went on in Tunisia. But to act like he is not in that chain of events is shallow thinking in my opinion.
The FDA requires that medicines be tested on at least 2 animals, I think that is the case. But testing and torture are different all together. Giving animals diseases is sick in my opinion. Obviously you have no issues with animal torture.
You can buy many products that do not test on animals.
Here is a few example of 2 products I use all the time.
Dr. Bronners soap and Paul Mitchell Tea Tree products.
Is Dr. Bronner’s Cruelty-Free & Vegan in 2025? THE TRUTH
Is Dr. Bronner's cruelty-free? Read our research and find out the answer inside.
www.crueltyfreekitty.com
Is Paul Mitchell Cruelty-Free & Vegan? | Here's What We Know
Paul Mitchell's cruelty-free status is unclear in 2023. Paul Mitchell could not clarify its animal testing policy for us to consider Paul Mitchell to be cruelty-free.
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I had chills from about hour 20 to 25 (ish) with the first two shots, but no chills with shot 3. One of the times that I woke up last night I was really hot though.
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I only had chills with the second one. The chills started around 6pm (had the shot around 11:30am) and they were bad until 4am. Then when I got up in the morning (still had chills) I drove to a city an hour away for work, because I promised my manager I'd get two stores there for her. The chills didn't completely go away until about 5 that night. If I didn't work it may have eased much sooner. So far so good with this 3rd shot. Just a definite sore arm and I'm sure I won't be able to sleep on that side for a few days.
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I did actually have chills last night. Nothing like what I had after the second dose. Just minor and once under blankets the chills eased to where I could go to sleep. When I woke up they were gone. Also my arm is sore, but more like the first dose than the second.
There's not a direct quote per se that he doesn't believe in natural immunity but I think you can infer from some of his interviews & behavior that he's ignoring natural immunity. At the very least, he's obstinate over idea of having those that recovered from Covid, having proof of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein antibodies, being included with the vaccinated & having all the rights & privileges they currently have. And this is the top WH Covid advisor - so what says goes & Biden follows.
I think the better question to explore here is why is Fauci so adamantly against exempting the Covid recovered from the mandates? This is especially true in light of the fact that the European countries have implemented a "2g option model" with their mandates & restrictions; only people fully vaccinated or have recovered from Covid within the last six (6) months. Ask yourself why is the Covid recovered in Europe on the same playing field with the vaccinated but not here in the U.S? Does the virus have a mind of it's own and act differently on Americans with natural immunity vs Europeans with natural immunity? Lol. So, IMO this is on the vaxx czar who I believe is being intellectually dishonest by not "following the science" with natural immunity & allowing the Covid recovered exempted from any mandates or restrictions.
The Six Major Fails of Anthony Fauci ⋆ Brownstone Institute
Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world.
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1. Natural immunity
"By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that naturally immunity is stronger and lasts longer than vaccine-induced immunity. In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from prior infection."
Israel study:
Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections
Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...
"128 Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted:"
160 Plus Research Studies Affirm Naturally Acquired Immunity to Covid-19: Documented, Linked, and Quoted ⋆ Brownstone Institute
This follow-up chart is a list of scientific studies and evidence on natural immunity to allow you to draw your own conclusions..
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This isn't from the interview that I was looking for, but Dr. Fauci answers in a similar way:
"“So it is conceivable that you got infected, you’re protected, but you may not be protected for an indefinite amount of time,” Fauci said. “So, I think that is something that we need to sit down and discuss seriously because you very appropriately pointed out, it is an issue and there could be an argument saying what you said (ED: that naturally acquired immunity is strong).” (September 2021). I watched a news conference at the end of Oct. where he discussed it, but I'm not finding it via Google search.
I think that much of the discussion centers around the risks with 'waiting' for natural immunity.
EDIT: To reiterate, I hope that naturally acquired immunity does protect people.
Politicians like Paul and Johnson are now push this narrative "research has found that natural immunity from Covid-19 could last for decades". There is no way to extrapolate that at this point. They are probably using the flu & cold as an example because once we catch those we...ooops never mind.
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I want to keep this from going too political because then it will just get deleted, but its strange that anyone would think that people want to wear masks, want to get more shots, want to skip/cancel large events, not travel, not visit family, not eat out, etc. That's absurd! How is that even considered a real discussion?!
Iron, I get a kick out of your chronology..I own a house full of animals,looks like a birth to death relationship for me..few horses but mostly dogs and cats. I support animal testing. I lost balance when you used Dr. Bronners products to reinforce your point,as a longtime( lifelong) user I cried tears in between gasps of laughter. Dr. Bronners in dispensed in a variety of sizes, given management changes over the decades, the label on each size bottle contains different messages and product use suggestions. I use peppermint. I have used it to brush my teeth,wash clothes,insect repellent, disinfect dishes and utensils. My primary use is bathing during camping trips..get body and hair wet, lather up..and a cool tingling sensation and no matter how cold the water you are forced to get the soap off.. Feather, Snake,Colorado and Mississippi are a few that I have jumped into to work in combo with Dr.Bronners brand of clean. The old label included ratios of soap to water for enemas,douche and birth control..The products have not always included an animal testing free designation..and for those of us participating in races in the South western US..Paul Mitchell sponsored bike races of all varieties..beach volleyball..OTL tournament here in San Diego..those products additionally were not originally marketed as free from animal testing.
Peta, has had a number of confusing actions were it's supporters threw paint on people,in their eyes,mouth and nose,ears for the offense of wearing animal fur, only to find out later the person assaulted w paint was wearing faux fur..the ooops, or apologies not really there. I hardly s see the objectives of Peta..or Peta like organizations having much to say as a pandemic swept the country and the world.
I ate chicken,fish,oysters and beef this week..I would be able to make eye contact with everything I have eaten..I could share a gaze w their families as I consumed them.
I think to have a Covid animal testing argument could have value,now,here..no. Any discussion about a few,or one specific doctor's views or practice on animal testing as a byproduct of Covid views is simply ridiculous. To do some kind of logical causal link between Vivid-Fauci-animal testing is silly..first making the dots..then trying to connect them..
millions worldwide have died..more than three quarters of a million in the United States alone. 1100+ per day.
I certainly hope that animal testing can be discontinued completely,that's a worthy goal..but to try and associate soap or shampoo,body wash w lifesaving emergency medication, emergency life saving technique is plain crazy..
Peta, has had a number of confusing actions were it's supporters threw paint on people,in their eyes,mouth and nose,ears for the offense of wearing animal fur, only to find out later the person assaulted w paint was wearing faux fur..the ooops, or apologies not really there. I hardly s see the objectives of Peta..or Peta like organizations having much to say as a pandemic swept the country and the world.
I ate chicken,fish,oysters and beef this week..I would be able to make eye contact with everything I have eaten..I could share a gaze w their families as I consumed them.
I think to have a Covid animal testing argument could have value,now,here..no. Any discussion about a few,or one specific doctor's views or practice on animal testing as a byproduct of Covid views is simply ridiculous. To do some kind of logical causal link between Vivid-Fauci-animal testing is silly..first making the dots..then trying to connect them..
millions worldwide have died..more than three quarters of a million in the United States alone. 1100+ per day.
I certainly hope that animal testing can be discontinued completely,that's a worthy goal..but to try and associate soap or shampoo,body wash w lifesaving emergency medication, emergency life saving technique is plain crazy..
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Breaking info: Just talked with a co worker in the hall, she usually travels a lot, but spends more time in Asia than the USA. Her family usually bases in Asia, but has been in Boise since her 10 year old son got SC2 in late August (and as I just found out, she and her husband split making tough tougher)). He just tested positive again this morning. So I wonder if some of the naturally acquired immunity discussion also has to center around the age of the person in addition to other things. They planned for the kids to get vaccinated over their turkey day break.
EDIT: No one else in the family tested positive in Aug. and dad and sis didn't test positive this AM with Jr. (mom hasn't seen the kids since Saturday, but she was heading to get tested at lunch).
EDIT: No one else in the family tested positive in Aug. and dad and sis didn't test positive this AM with Jr. (mom hasn't seen the kids since Saturday, but she was heading to get tested at lunch).
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‘Zero-Covid is not going to happen’: experts predict a steep rise in US cases this winter
Total US deaths from Covid may reach 1 million by spring as vaccination rates remain lower than 60%
Related: In Belgium we have about 15.000 cases a day now, which is nearly on par with the peak of the second wave in October-November last year. Nevertheless, much less people in IC, much less deaths compared to a year ago. Still, the situation is worse than almost everyone expected, and some mild new rules came into place (more face masks, more working at home - mostly). I think many people are disappointed, but OK, we've got to keep moving. ICs are at about 25-30% capacity with respect to covid patients, but this still means non-urgent surgery etc. is largely postponed once more.
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