DAVID MILLAR and the B O A

[AcademyCC]

Are you sure? He was welcomed back into the bosom of British Cycling before his ban was even over and his sister has a significant influence within BC, considering she is only a 'Project Manager' she seems to wield more influence that one would imagine. Very close in with Dave B.

Lets not forget that DM and DB are very close regardless of DM's sister's position. At some point sense has to prevail. British Cycling has done alot for DM since his comeback but its time to move on and possibly create another star

 

[Andynonomous]

‘I don’t understand why Britain should lower their moral standards just because everybody else’s ethics are in the toilet.


Is Britain cleaner than other countries ?

What countries have lower moral standards ?

 

[Mambo95]

What countries have lower moral standards ?

Most of them.

Have a look at the World Corruption Index map for 2011:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/data...rruption-index-transparency-international-map

 

[blackcat]

Rather than looking to the future, would not the rider with best form/probabiliy of success be selected? Not saying that would knock out Froome, Stannard ...or for that matter Dowsett.

My guess is Froome (to join Wiggins).

the man needs to ride the 250 km rr too, and handle a chrono. Will Wiggo be even able to do it at 74kg if he has got the podium at the Tour. Will Froome?

As I see it. Millar will be able to ride the 250km, lead a sprinter out, because, you only have to drop someone of in a 60 man group with 1km to go and let hin win it himself.

Wiggo cant do the chrono AND the 250km as well as Millar.

Dowsett never demonstrated he can be there after 250km.

Stannard is still working his strength up to 250km at classics level, not a 220km belge semi classic.

Swift, see Stannard.

My team would be

Froome as domestique
Wigans tt and rr
Millar tt and rr, but first selected.
Cav, ofcourse.
Roger Hammond

then reserves
Thomas
Stannard
Swift
Hunt

if Thomas is not riding the TP, obviously, he take Roger's spot.

250km is different when there is a gold medal up for grabs, and only 5 riders per major country. Gotta be able to ride a good deal of the 250 in the wind, specially if you are a worker.

Means it is more like 280kms in strength. Other lessening factor. Its flat.

 

[Ferminal]

I'm not sure if Hammond even has a team for next year, I'd go with Stannard instead.

Maybe Froome in the ITT instead of Millar, if he can repeat his Vuelta effort.

 

[BroDeal]

Millar has the best ITT record against pro competition of any of them. He should be there. He did his time. We don't need riders being blacklisted by corrupt toolbags like McQuaid or self-righteous organizations like BC. For every rider that is caught, there are ten who are not. It's not like the people who run these organizations are unaware of that. Bans like this are nothing more than a public relations exercise.

 

[B_Ugli]

There is a lot of hypocrisy and double standards in UK sport

What I think is funny is that the likes of Dwain Chambers and David Millar are cast into the abyss yet someone like Christine Orragugu (who missed a load of out of competition tests) is welcomed back with open arms.

Apparently she fell foul of an over-strict whereabouts system?

 

[simoni]

I think its has to be Froome or Stannard, theyve got to look to the future. Imagine if you were either of those two guys and Millar with his history and at his age got selected in front of you. You's be seriously ****ed off!

Its the olympics! If there's one event where you don't "look to the future" then this is it.

Presumably under your regime we'd give Froome and Stannard the experience then pick Kennaugh and Swift for the next one so they're ready not to ride in 2020. Get real!

PS - I'm proud of the stance taken by the BOA and hope it doesn't get overturned. In my mind Millar shouldn't be able to ride.

Regarding Millars views on Armstrong - I've said it before that Lance Inc. has done an excellent job of keeping all but the very very desperate silenced. Millar has already spent a long time in court and I doubt he's too interested in going back there. Anyone who slags him off for apparently not telling the whole truth is an idiot. How and why would he? It'd be suicidal for him. In the real world there are shade of grey.

 

[BroDeal]

Regarding Millars views on Armstrong - I've said it before that Lance Inc. has done an excellent job of keeping all but the very very desperate silenced. Millar has already spent a long time in court and I doubt he's too interested in going back there. Anyone who slags him off for apparently not telling the whole truth is an idiot. How and why would he? It'd be suicidal for him. In the real world there are shade of grey.

If Millar does not want to tell the whole truth then he can shut his mouth and not say anything. Instead he adds support to the punters' hopes that Armstrong did not dope while knowing full well that Armstrong is the biggest doper in the EPO era. He is deliberately deceiving people. The idiots want to ignore that.

 

[Benotti69]

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Regarding Millars views on Armstrong - I've said it before that Lance Inc. has done an excellent job of keeping all but the very very desperate silenced. Millar has already spent a long time in court and I doubt he's too interested in going back there. Anyone who slags him off for apparently not telling the whole truth is an idiot. How and why would he? It'd be suicidal for him. In the real world there are shade of grey.

When Millar is dictating the shades of grey is the problem i have. He can call Ricco and Piepoli dopers but no Armstrong?? Not in my book, especially when the guy cheated to 7TdFs in a row. No Millar is a hypocrite.

 

[Martin318is]

When Millar is dictating the shades of grey is the problem i have. He can call Ricco and Piepoli dopers but no Armstrong?? Not in my book, especially when the guy cheated to 7TdFs in a row. No Millar is a hypocrite.

or he is just sensible?

Of course he can call Ricco etc dopers - he has failed tests that can be pointed to. All anyone really has (that we are sure about) with Armstrong is stuff like the 1999 samples. Beyond that, what actual evidence are we certain that Millar has about Armstrong other than what Floyd and Tyler etc said?

Unless he saw evidence of Lance doping, he cannot come out and say "Armstrong is a doper" without getting his behind sued off. Thats not hypocracy.

 

[BroDeal]

or he is just sensible?

Of course he can call Ricco etc dopers - he has failed tests that can be pointed to. All anyone really has (that we are sure about) with Armstrong is stuff like the 1999 samples. Beyond that, what actual evidence are we certain that Millar has about Armstrong other than what Floyd and Tyler etc said?

Unless he saw evidence of Lance doping, he cannot come out and say "Armstrong is a doper" without getting his behind sued off. Thats not hypocracy.

You are living in a fantasy world where Millar (and all the other pros) are unaware that Armstrong was a doper so he is justified in saying to the public that Armstrong might have been clean. It is ludicrous.

 

[Benotti69]

or he is just sensible?

Of course he can call Ricco etc dopers - he has failed tests that can be pointed to. All anyone really has (that we are sure about) with Armstrong is stuff like the 1999 samples. Beyond that, what actual evidence are we certain that Millar has about Armstrong other than what Floyd and Tyler etc said?

Unless he saw evidence of Lance doping, he cannot come out and say "Armstrong is a doper" without getting his behind sued off. Thats not hypocracy.

Sensible would be to keep his mouth shut and not menion Armstrong. every guy in the peloton in the TdF of 99 must have said WTF is he on and why are we not on it???? i would say about half waited for him to get caught and the other half tried to get some of it.

Millar knows aswell as the Clinic that Armstrong took everything going to get those 7 dirty yella jerseys. To say anything different makes him at best look like he's being stupid because he is worried about being sued and worst it makes him look like Mr Omerta.

 

[Martin318is]

You are living in a fantasy world where Millar (and all the other pros) are unaware that Armstrong was a doper so he is justified in saying to the public that Armstrong might have been clean. It is ludicrous.

No - you are living in a fantasy world where you seem to think that Millar wouldn't get sued into a hole in the ground if he outright acused Armstrong of doping without being able to provide any evidence.

Its easy enough to say that you have suspicions - which he has done - its a lot more difficult to come out and state it as fact in the manner that you want Millar to.

 

[Martin318is]

Sensible would be to keep his mouth shut and not menion Armstrong. every guy in the peloton in the TdF of 99 must have said WTF is he on and why are we not on it???? i would say about half waited for him to get caught and the other half tried to get some of it.

Millar knows aswell as the Clinic that Armstrong took everything going to get those 7 dirty yella jerseys. To say anything different makes him at best look like he's being stupid because he is worried about being sued and worst it makes him look like Mr Omerta.

Yep - I will agree with that. The better path would have been to say nothing about Armstrong one way or the other ever - but then that IS omerta is it not? The thing about Millar is that he made himself a go to guy about doping and he has made a bunch of statements that leave him in the no-mans land between the dopers and the activists. I just dont see how he can make anyone happy from this point on.

Even if he were to walk into WADA/UCI and hand them evidence of another rider doping, there are still going to be people calling for him to dob in the likes of Armstrong...

 

[Freddythefrog]

No - you are living in a fantasy world where you seem to think that Millar wouldn't get sued into a hole in the ground if he outright acused Armstrong of doping without being able to provide any evidence.

Its easy enough to say that you have suspicions - which he has done - its a lot more difficult to come out and state it as fact in the manner that you want Millar to.

Millar in the week after the arrest and questioning - 1st public statement - words to the effect of (I cannot find the exact quote - but ) - "I am grateful at this time for all the support I have had. I had a call from my special friend Lance, who was very supportive of my position and all I have gone through."

Only a fool could not translate that - but on the basis that our "Dave is a "born again" hero" boys have difficulty facing the truth, let me suggest what could possibly be inferred - "the boss rang me and reminded me. Folks - the Omerta is safe with me - I aint fingered any of you and I am not going to."

Dave is currently just moving his position as the tide moves further out to sea. Can no one remember his gift to the Spanish at the end of the 2006 World road Race ? Riding for Team GB, don't make me laugh. "Done his time let him ride." http://forum.cyclingnews.com/images/smilies/eek.gif David Millar is the very essence of the "professional" cyclist, in all that infers.

Why don't they have a smilie that is puking its guts up ?

 

[BroDeal]

No - you are living in a fantasy world where you seem to think that Millar wouldn't get sued into a hole in the ground if he outright acused Armstrong of doping without being able to provide any evidence.

Millar does not have to say anything. He has chosen to give hope to the punters who believe Armstrong is not a doper. Why do you keep ignoring this? Millar is nothing but a mouthpiece for the standard lies that are used by those in cycling today.

Armstrong won't be suing anyone. He already said so. The last thing he wants is ex-teammates giving depositions. The number of people willing to lie for Armstrong has become much much smaller, especially with a prosecutor known for pursuing perjury charges in charge of investigating him.

 

[Martin318is]

Millar does not have to say anything. He has chosen to give hope to the punters who believe Armstrong is not a doper. Why do you keep ignoring this? Millar is nothing but a mouthpiece for the standard lies that are used by those in cycling today.

To be honest - re the bit in bold - because only a *** monkey would extend a general comments by Millar that LA may or may not have doped into a hope that it means that LA didnt really dope....

Millar impying he doesnt know either way is no more positive than LA stating outright that he is clean. The comment has no value whatsoever.

 

[danjo007]

you have to laugh at the stupid english trying to bait the australians in this thread. rofl

 

[BroDeal]

To be honest - re the bit in bold - because only a *** monkey would extend a general comments by Millar that LA may or may not have doped into a hope that it means that LA didnt really dope....

Millar impying he doesnt know either way is no more positive than LA stating outright that he is clean. The comment has no value whatsoever.

And that is at least twice the intelligence of the lobotomized mollusk who cannot see that when Millar says that Armstrong may not have doped, he is giving credence to those who do not want to accep that Armstrong was a doper, even though Millar knows full well that Armstrong was doping.

Just because Millar's comments don't support your Mexican logic does not mean they have no value. It means your position requires you to ignore what Millar says because it does not fit your belief in Millar as a crusading anti-doper..

 

[Martin318is]

And that is at least twice the intelligence of the lobotomized mollusk who cannot see that when Millar says that Armstrong may not have doped, he is giving credence to those who do not want to accep that Armstrong was a doper, even though Millar knows full well that Armstrong was doping.

Just because Millar's comments don't support your Mexican logic does not mean they have no value. It means your position requires you to ignore what Millar says because it does not fit your belief in Millar as a crusading anti-doper..

okay - you are getting very close to the line there. I suggest that you sit back and review for a bit before continuing. For my own part, I am not going to respond and I am leaving this thread because I dont want to be acused of bias when things go wrong here.

To be clear though - my "*** Monkey" label was directed at a Lance supporter that would interpret Millar's comments as having any value regarding Lance's doping one way or the other. I did not label you - I just think you are bored and taking this topic way too seriously.

 

[BroDeal]

okay - you are getting very close to the line there. I suggest that you sit back and review for a bit before continuing. For my own part, I am not going to respond and I am leaving this thread because I dont want to be acused of bias when things go wrong here.

Maybe you should take the time off to review your own posts.

 

[Ripper]

And now, a levity break!

DM is getting fat ... and looks old. Consquently, he should not be in the Olympics.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And that is at least twice the intelligence of the lobotomized mollusk who cannot see that when Millar says that Armstrong may not have doped, he is giving credence to those who do not want to accep that Armstrong was a doper, even though Millar knows full well that Armstrong was doping.

Just because Millar's comments don't support your Mexican logic does not mean they have no value. It means your position requires you to ignore what Millar says because it does not fit your belief in Millar as a crusading anti-doper..

This goes to the heart of it - has Millar said that LA does/did not dope??

Or is your point based on his comment of "if LA doped"??

As an aside - whatever Millar did or did not suggest is hardly giving credence or hope to the LA fans who want to believe the myth - how does one give hope to the hopeless? They will believe no matter what.

 

[Race Radio]

Armstrong has harassed JV and his team for years. Most of it never made public. I can understand why he would be careful with what he says. Yeah, Wonderboy is in serious trouble but often the animal is most dangerous when he is cornered.