Di Luca tests positive for EPO in OOC test.

[Benotti69]

the culture of writing books is to make money, i dont see any change there.

Di Luca has no credibility as long as he is just making up numbers without backing them up.

the majority of books dont make money.

Di Luca has as much credibility as the next rider in the sport. 0.

 

[Archibald]

the culture of writing books is to make money, i dont see any change there.

Di Luca has no credibility as long as he is just making up numbers without backing them up.

the majority of books dont make money.

Di Luca has as much credibility as the next rider in the sport. 0.

credible or not, I'd expect his to make money - he has a sizeable fan base in Italy, no?

Could all depend on which section it's sold under - fiction or non-fiction...
will it be a 'Secret Race' 'Racing in the Dark' type revelation, or more like a certain egotistical Texan's ficticious works?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

credible or not, I'd expect his to make money - he has a sizeable fan base in Italy, no?

Could all depend on which section it's sold under - fiction or non-fiction...
will it be a 'Secret Race' 'Racing in the Dark' type revelation, or more like a certain egotistical Texan's ficticious works?

But would his fans be interested in a dark type revelation? Maybe, but I think they will be looking for stories of heroism, panache, wins etc. Needles and pills probably doesn't interest them much.

Like with Armstrong, JB, Riis etc, chances are low when it comes to a tell all story imo.

 

[Benotti69]

credible or not, I'd expect his to make money - he has a sizeable fan base in Italy, no?

Could all depend on which section it's sold under - fiction or non-fiction...
will it be a 'Secret Race' 'Racing in the Dark' type revelation, or more like a certain egotistical Texan's ficticious works?

Di Luca is from Abruzzo, not a wealthy region like the Industrial north of Italy and each region has its own rider with its own fans. He only got a ride last year due to a wealthy cycling fan, the owner of the Acqua E Sapone brand who is from Abruzzo, putting up the money for Scinto to give him a place on the team.

Unless Di Luca spilled the beans on lots of well known people in Italian cycling, a book by Di Luca will not make much money.

 

[MarkvW]

http://www.dw.de/simon-all-sports-are-prone-to-doping/a-17391410

Maybe DiLuca's 90% estimate isn't that far off.

 

[thehog]

http://www.dw.de/simon-all-sports-are-prone-to-doping/a-17391410

Maybe DiLuca's 90% estimate isn't that far off.

Di Luca’s statements are interesting.

As Floyd’s and Tyler’s omissions were a snapshot from the 1999-2004 period Di Luca appears to be giving an insight into what it is today in 2014.

Di Luca has the ability of comparison; between “old cycling” and “new clean era” cycling. He rode during both eras.

His point that doping is no longer talked about in the peloton rings true with the perception of the “new clean era”. Sky and others have leant well from the USPS saga that by openly talking about doping only leaves bread crumbs of evidence.

The second point of interest he made was that doping appears to have shifted to training alone. The risk of doping and racing is now too great. What I believe he meant was exporting the doping products to races is the risk rather than actually testing positive. This shift fits in with the new way of training at Tenerife and racing at sequenced intervals. Also a point to Kerrison’s concept with the Classics team last year of skipping Paris-Nice etc. in preference for a training camp.

The third point in relation to the “90% claim”; what Di Luca said was “Secondo me il 90%” which really means “in my opinion” or “at a guess I would say” – second hand information rather than “I know as fact
“.

What I take from all this fits in with the Sky model. Training camps in far-away places, sequenced tests at races prior to the main objective of the year (TDF etc.), zero tolerance on talking about doping practices, no doping at races or exportation of doping products to races and the non-release of performance data.

Leading on from this point is Walsh (as well as others) are looking for the “USPS model” at Sky. That he won’t find. Doping has shifted and whilst Walsh is looking for “an Emma O'Reilly” or “transfusion kits in the team buses” or “motorman” etc. Sky (and others) have implemented a newer form of doping which limits the risks of detection and being caught at borders etc.

What he’s missing is that doping is defined itself into something new. Something more closely aligned with legal medical products and presented under the guise of performance management and marginal gains.

Di Luca words shouldn’t be dismissed so freely.

 

[SundayRider]

Di Luca’s statements are interesting.

As Floyd’s and Tyler’s omissions were a snapshot from the 1999-2004 period Di Luca appears to be giving an insight into what it is today in 2014.

Di Luca has the ability of comparison; between “old cycling” and “new clean era” cycling. He rode during both eras.

His point that doping is no longer talked about in the peloton rings true with the perception of the “new clean era”. Sky and others have leant well from the USPS saga that by openly talking about doping only leaves bread crumbs of evidence.

The second point of interest he made was that doping appears to have shifted to training alone. The risk of doping and racing is now too great. What I believe he meant was exporting the doping products to races is the risk rather than actually testing positive. This shift fits in with the new way of training at Tenerife and racing at sequenced intervals. Also a point to Kerrison’s concept with the Classics team last year of skipping Paris-Nice etc. in preference for a training camp.

The third point in relation to the “90% claim”; what Di Luca said was “Secondo me il 90%” which really means “in my opinion” or “at a guess I would say” – second hand information rather than “I know as fact
“.

What I take from all this fits in with the Sky model. Training camps in far-away places, sequenced tests at races prior to the main objective of the year (TDF etc.), zero tolerance on talking about doping practices, no doping at races or exportation of doping products to races and the non-release of performance data.

Leading on from this point is Walsh (as well as others) are looking for the “USPS model” at Sky. That he won’t find. Doping has shifted and whilst Walsh is looking for “an Emma O'Reilly” or “transfusion kits in the team buses” or “motorman” etc. Sky (and others) have implemented a newer form of doping which limits the risks of detection and being caught at borders etc.

What he’s missing is that doping is defined itself into something new. Something more closely aligned with legal medical products and presented under the guise of performance management and marginal gains.

Di Luca words shouldn’t be dismissed so freely.

Good post. Although Floyd did ride until 2006 not 2004. So you reckon Sky (and others) are not doing transfussions at races at all? No microdosing of EPO on rest days etc? How are they keeping their hematocrit up during 3wk races? I'm not sure you get to Froome level of performance with legal medical products that aren't also doping.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Stay on topic -- Di Luca.

Further off-topic postings will be deleted and sanctions handed out.

 

[thehog]

Stay on topic -- Di Luca.

Further off-topic postings will be deleted and sanctions handed out.

Di Luca's comments in regards to 90% can't be discussed in relation to the current peloton?

A little confused on this one.

 

[Netserk]

Di Luca's comments in regards to 90% can't be discussed in relation to the current peloton?

A little confused on this one.

Just ask if you should create another thread, or if you can continue the discussion in this one

 

[thehog]

Just ask if you should create another thread, or if you can continue the discussion in this one

I put a lot of thought into my post along with the correct translation of the 90% claim.

Shame it got shut down so quickly as it's an interesting topic; "The changing face of doping".

 

[SundayRider]

Di Luca's comments in regards to 90% can't be discussed in relation to the current peloton?

A little confused on this one.

Same here - seems pretty on topic to me.

 

[ebandit]

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I put a lot of thought into my post along with the correct translation of the 90% claim.

Shame it got shut down so quickly as it's an interesting topic; "The changing face of doping".

seems you translated di luca's claim that 90% of the peloton dope to

specifics about team sky.......better off in the sky thread

that statement was probably just a smokescreen anyway

Mark L

 

[the sceptic]

seems you translated di luca's claim that 90% of the peloton dope to

specifics about team sky.......better off in the sky thread

that statement was probably just a smokescreen anyway

Mark L

I thought it was an interesting and thought provoking post. Did you even read it?

Maybe you could point out what it was you disagreed with?

The S

 

[DirtyWorks]

Good post. Although Floyd did ride until 2006 not 2004. So you reckon Sky (and others) are not doing transfussions at races at all? No microdosing of EPO on rest days etc? How are they keeping their hematocrit up during 3wk races?.

Some readers are operating under the assumption that anti-doping is independent and can freely pursue suspicious profiles. They cannot, even when the profile is flagged by the APMU as some kind of positive.

It's more than just the dopers. We know race organizers and the UCI have played a role in managing positives. Despite knowing the sport's aparatchiks enable doping, the story is always told as some kind of lone doper.

My hope is Di Luca discloses meaningful information outside of Italy. Inside Italy, I would be surprised if anything he knows leads to sanctions. I'm hoping for lots of sanctions, but not optimistic.

 

[ebandit]

ha Ha

I thought it was an interesting and thought provoking post. Did you even read it?

Maybe you could point out what it was you disagreed with?

The S

ha Ha! we have a comedian ..............did you read my post?

I never disagreed just pointed out that there is a sky thread for

hoggy's pet subject 'the sky model'

Mark L

 

[thehog]

Some readers are operating under the assumption that anti-doping is independent and can freely pursue suspicious profiles. They cannot, even when the profile is flagged by the APMU as some kind of positive.

It's more than just the dopers. We know race organizers and the UCI have played a role in managing positives. Despite knowing the sport's aparatchiks enable doping, the story is always told as some kind of lone doper.

My hope is Di Luca discloses meaningful information outside of Italy. Inside Italy, I would be surprised if anything he knows leads to sanctions. I'm hoping for lots of sanctions, but not optimistic.

I think his words hold a lot of relevancy. Clearly no one talks of doping at races anymore. The risk is too great to the image of the new clean era (copyright 2011).

The comment I missed in my first post was that the difference for him being positive and not being positive was 5 hours.

Tenerife anyone?

 

[staubsauger]

Is it true that CERA got tested on Di Luca before it was officially sold? So when he won his Giro in 2007 the pharma industry knew that the medicine was working well on human body's ?

 

[the sceptic]

Di Luca’s statements are interesting.

As Floyd’s and Tyler’s omissions were a snapshot from the 1999-2004 period Di Luca appears to be giving an insight into what it is today in 2014.

Di Luca has the ability of comparison; between “old cycling” and “new clean era” cycling. He rode during both eras.

His point that doping is no longer talked about in the peloton rings true with the perception of the “new clean era”. Sky and others have leant well from the USPS saga that by openly talking about doping only leaves bread crumbs of evidence.

The second point of interest he made was that doping appears to have shifted to training alone. The risk of doping and racing is now too great. What I believe he meant was exporting the doping products to races is the risk rather than actually testing positive. This shift fits in with the new way of training at Tenerife and racing at sequenced intervals. Also a point to Kerrison’s concept with the Classics team last year of skipping Paris-Nice etc. in preference for a training camp.

The third point in relation to the “90% claim”; what Di Luca said was “Secondo me il 90%” which really means “in my opinion” or “at a guess I would say” – second hand information rather than “I know as fact
“.

What I take from all this fits in with the Sky model. Training camps in far-away places, sequenced tests at races prior to the main objective of the year (TDF etc.), zero tolerance on talking about doping practices, no doping at races or exportation of doping products to races and the non-release of performance data.

Leading on from this point is Walsh (as well as others) are looking for the “USPS model” at Sky. That he won’t find. Doping has shifted and whilst Walsh is looking for “an Emma O'Reilly” or “transfusion kits in the team buses” or “motorman” etc. Sky (and others) have implemented a newer form of doping which limits the risks of detection and being caught at borders etc.

What he’s missing is that doping is defined itself into something new. Something more closely aligned with legal medical products and presented under the guise of performance management and marginal gains.

Di Luca words shouldn’t be dismissed so freely.

Good post Hog.

http://road.cc/content/news/138472-...uable-ever-received-anti-doping-investigation

Danilo Di Luca, banned for life last year for doping, could be an unlikely hero in the battle against drugs cheats after reportedly providing “the most valuable testimony ever received” in an anti-doping investigation.

 

[Samson777]

Good post Hog.

http://road.cc/content/news/138472-...uable-ever-received-anti-doping-investigation

That Di Luca spoke in 2009 and yet continued old school style, is quite awesome really Really if is it true that his testimony was so valuable, his lifetime ban should be revised shouldn't it? If you look at what happened to others, who did not speak at all, you could certainly argue it should. But then again, anti doping work have never ever been about right and wrong.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

So from Zero to Hero?
JB should take notice. Its not too late.

 

[the sceptic]

That Di Luca spoke in 2009 and yet continued old school style, is quite awesome really Really if is it true that his testimony was so valuable, his lifetime ban should be revised shouldn't it? If you look at what happened to others, who did not speak at all, you could certainly argue it should. But then again, anti doping work have never ever been about right and wrong.

Di Luca knew he would have no chance to be competitive without the juice. Perhaps his 90% figure wasn't so far off after all?

 

[Benotti69]

So from Zero to Hero?
JB should take notice. Its not too late.

If Di Luca is talking it is not to become a hero it is to get back at the sport that he believes treated him badly.

He aint no hero. But he will regain some credibility for finally doing something good.

 

[Samson777]

Di Luca knew he would have no chance to be competitive without the juice. Perhaps his 90% figure wasn't so far off after all?

If I had to choose between that, and the assumption that doping is only something a few "uncool" guys use. Then I know which one I would believe..

 

[Samson777]

If Di Luca is talking it is not to become a hero it is to get back at the sport that he believes treated him badly.

He aint no hero. But he will regain some credibility for finally doing something good.

So this is all about Di Luca wanting the chance, to get back and win another Giro stage? Or you mean as DS, taking Vaughters place. Get his own team and start talking about clean generation version 2.0? That I would dig.