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The East German "training" included impregnation by coaches followed by forced abortions to enhance natural hormone production as well. Truly monstrous sh*t.
A friend of ours was on the 1976 women's swimming relay team that finished "second" to the E German team. The friend is still a formidable athlete at 5'11" and buff; she was equally good on a bike. When the E German women walked out on the pool deck she and her teammates were shaken by their appearance. They've since met the few survivors of the German team, the others lost to various cancers. The moment had to be extremely emotional knowing what everyone went through to get there. US team received the Gold medal based on the disclosures.
It's surprising there aren't more stories out there like this.
Those that find a warning reminder in this doping situation "preachy" should probably develop a great argument for their cynicism.
I saw a film that documented that story quite well, was very moving and included recent interviews with former members of both the U.S and East German teams. Cant remember the name of the film though.
 
The stories of doping in Eastern Germany are indeed depressing. An association, the DOH, tries to fight for the victims and for financial "compensation", but the sums are ridiculously low and there are intern quarrels who can be considered a victim.
Apart from the people who acknowledge the have been doped or did dope deliberately I am stunned time and time again by those who deny they have ever doped ... or have been doped. They could express that it was not their choice, but many of the successful athletes insist that they were never part of any doping. They obviously want to keep their memories and the success is part of their self-esteem and self-perception, that's the only explanation I can find.
 
Someone posted on here a long tine ago the E. German doctors report on the horrendous behavior of the govt-supported sports institutes, which started giving large doses of steroids to girls at 12-13 without their knowledge. Sports “scientists” there discovered that women were even better responders to steroids than men and gave them larger dosages. Extremely sad to read the report’s description of some premiwr athletes still in their teens who were pleading with their coaches/doctors to stop treatments (they eventually figured out what was happening) because of how horrible they felt and the toll it was taking on their bodies and emotions.
Would that be the declassified documents from the East German steroid program from the 60s through 80s?


They were mainly using Oral-Turinabol which produced incredible performance benefits particularly with their female athletes:

"At present anabolic steroids are applied in all Olympic sporting events, with the exception of sailing and gymnastics (female)2 , … and by all national teams. The application takes place according to approved basic plans, in which special situations of individual athletes are also considered. The positive value of anabolic steroids for the development of a top performance is undoubted. Here are a few examples… Performances could be improved with the support of these drugs within four years as follows: Shot-put (men) 2.5–4 m; Shot-put (women) 4.5–5 m; Discus throw (men) 10–12 m; Discus throw (women) 11–20 m; Hammer throw 6–10 m; Javelin throw (women) 8–15 m; 400 m (women) 4–5 sec; 800 m (women) 5–10 sec; 1500 m (women) 7–10 sec… Remarkable rates of increase in performances were also noted in the swimming events of women… . From our experiences made so far it can be concluded that women have the greatest advantage from treatments with anabolic hormones with respect to their performance in sports… . Especially high is the performance-supporting effect following the first administration of anabolic hormones, especially with junior athletes."

Decades later the Russians followed suit incorporating Oral-Turinabol with other substances in their state-sponsored doping program that produced numerous medalists, including some gold medal performances in the 2011 World Championships & the London Olympics (especially with their female athletes). Surprisingly, very few IC positives occurred and it wasn't until several years later on retests that several medalists got popped. Bans & annulments followed and with the damaging McLaren report exposing their state-sponsored program, the Russian doping dynasty crashed & burned. Lol.
 
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Would that be the declassified documents from the East German steroid program from the 60s through 80s?


They were mainly using Oral-Turinabol which produced incredible performance benefits particularly with their female athletes:

"At present anabolic steroids are applied in all Olympic sporting events, with the exception of sailing and gymnastics (female)2 , … and by all national teams. The application takes place according to approved basic plans, in which special situations of individual athletes are also considered. The positive value of anabolic steroids for the development of a top performance is undoubted. Here are a few examples… Performances could be improved with the support of these drugs within four years as follows: Shot-put (men) 2.5–4 m; Shot-put (women) 4.5–5 m; Discus throw (men) 10–12 m; Discus throw (women) 11–20 m; Hammer throw 6–10 m; Javelin throw (women) 8–15 m; 400 m (women) 4–5 sec; 800 m (women) 5–10 sec; 1500 m (women) 7–10 sec… Remarkable rates of increase in performances were also noted in the swimming events of women… . From our experiences made so far it can be concluded that women have the greatest advantage from treatments with anabolic hormones with respect to their performance in sports… . Especially high is the performance-supporting effect following the first administration of anabolic hormones, especially with junior athletes."

Decades later the Russians followed suit incorporating Oral-Turinabol with other substances in their state-sponsored doping program that produced numerous medalists, including some gold medal performances in the 2011 World Championships & the London Olympics (especially with their female athletes). Surprisingly, very few IC positives occurred and it wasn't until several years later on retests that several medalists got popped. Bans & annulments followed and with the damaging McLaren report exposing their state-sponsored program, the Russian doping dynasty crashed & burned. Lol.
Yes, I believe that was the one. Thanks!
 
I can't recall which former East German rider was asked what was the biggest difference in turning pro (I think he was on an American team, but not sure)? I remember his response: "you won't be forced to take drugs".
The state run program probably ruined a thousand lives doping junior athletes that didn't respond as well and then discarded them. We have some seriously smart people on these forums and I'd wonder if any had statistical data on incidence of cancer and other defects from those generations? It's doubtful it would be something the East German government would be proud of but their meticulous doping documents suggest they could have tracked the consequences as well.
 
I can't recall which former East German rider was asked what was the biggest difference in turning pro (I think he was on an American team, but not sure)? I remember his response: "you won't be forced to take drugs".
The state run program probably ruined a thousand lives doping junior athletes that didn't respond as well and then discarded them. We have some seriously smart people on these forums and I'd wonder if any had statistical data on incidence of cancer and other defects from those generations? It's doubtful it would be something the East German government would be proud of but their meticulous doping documents suggest they could have tracked the consequences as well.
Well, there is research of course, but I think a huge part of the controversies around the doping victims of that era is that there are not many reliable numbers. And the research is still happening. The effects are in many cases only really seen now (for instance a life expectancy of 10-12 years less), some like deformations of the victim's children are discussed, but not fully accepted, yet. And of course there is protection of data privacy, so unless the former athletes themselves have come to claim compensation (was possible until the end of the last year) or come forward in another way, we don't have any right to ask them about their health.

EDIT: regarding the GDR tracking the side effects I don't know, but I doubt they really kept track, I think they were not interested in that side of the matter.
 
It would only be more useless if the Russian Federation banned him in an attempt to restore their credibility.
 
Not sure if I’m reading this correctly—she had 3 positive tests for steroids in the month before the Asian Games, where she also tested positive. How did she think she wouldn’t get caught if she wasn’t managing her glow times while being tested frequently?
 
USADA don't practice what they preach - They are all 'show' when it comes to big cases and therefore grab public kudos - They find reasons to let athletes off offences or in some cases give light penalties.
USADA (and formerly Tygart) loves to give the Americans a slap on the wrist and a 2nd or even 3rd chance and then they cry foul whenever something happens in a country like Russia (of course I'm not saying that the Russians are innocent).
 
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USADA (and formerly Tygart) loves to give the Americans a slap on the wrist and a 2nd or even 3rd chance and then they cry foul whenever something happens in a country like Russia (of course I'm not saying that the Russians are innocent).
USADA does manage an uneven enforcement profile but they don't have a limitless budget, either. As for complaining about Russia; they're a voice in the chorus. When the Russian state goes to the extremes they practiced to manage positives in testing it's pretty much a flawed criminal enterprise.
I can't imagine how much outfall there'd be if they tested pro tennis, basketball and all other big money sports for EPO rigorously. Financially some of the leagues are bigger than the governing bodies.
 
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"A sub 2:06:00 time for a marathon (male), may not be possible without the use of performance-enhancing drugs. I recall, reading an article on the internet, which I can no longer source, in which a high-level European male marathoner, with a personal best time in the 2:07's, was under no illusion, although he couldn't prove it, that this is the case. There is no one better qualified, to provide opinions, expressed as facts, than those athletes who are participating at the highest level."
 

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