Doping In Athletics

[gregrowlerson]

Fantastic run from Joshua Cheptegei yesterday, breaking Keninisa Bekele's long standing 5,000 metres world record!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01dG9v9LCY

 

[Invicituz]

Thanks, for posting this. Absolutely astonishing! Never thought Bekele's record would be surpassed by a margin of 1.99 seconds, pending ratification.

 

[Red Rick]

Sifan Hassan crushes the 10k European record, breaking her personal best by 41s

 

[gregrowlerson]

Cheptegei also broke Bekele's 10,000 WR the other day, with a casual time of 26:11!

Women's 5,000 WR fell at the same meeting.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Cheptegei also broke Bekele's 10,000 WR the other day, with a casual time of 26:11!

Women's 5,000 WR fell at the same meeting.

There's some discussion on running forums about the new/current use of Wavelights and how much of a role they play in pacing a runner to a record time, some think they're another form of cheating, some think they aren't all that helpful and are merely an amusing lightshow for the spectators. I don't know yet for sure, but with the Wavelights, the bouncy shoes, and PEDs records were bound to be broken. Nothing shocks or surprises me in the world of athletics anymore.

 

[gregrowlerson]

There's some discussion on running forums about the new/current use of Wavelights and how much of a role they play in pacing a runner to a record time, some think they're another form of cheating, some think they aren't all that helpful and are merely an amusing lightshow for the spectators. I don't know yet for sure, but with the Wavelights, the bouncy shoes, and PEDs records were bound to be broken. Nothing shocks or surprises me in the world of athletics anymore.

Well it has been a long time since those records have been broken. I'd say that it's more surprising that they lasted that long (as good as those records were).

One thing is for sure. This isn't the '90's. At least not yet.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Well it has been a long time since those records have been broken. I'd say that it's more surprising that they lasted that long (as good as those records were).

One thing is for sure. This isn't the '90's. At least not yet.

I'm not sure what you mean by the 90s?

So what do you make of these Wave Lights? It's my understanding they are turned off at the last 400m?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ZSkjojnXA&ab_channel=FloTrack

 

[richwallone]

I'm not sure what you mean by the 90s?

So what do you make of these Wave Lights? It's my understanding they are turned off at the last 400m?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ZSkjojnXA&ab_channel=FloTrack

Just compare the pacing between the Bekele's and Cheptegei's WR... It's crazy how even Cheptegei's splits were. Every lap was 62.9-63.0 seconds, on the dot. Even though he claimed that the lights didn't help him, I think they did... And yes, the last lap, they were turned off...

8 Takeaways After Cheptegei and Gidey Smash World Records in Valencia - LetsRun.com

Cheptegei went 13:07 - 13:03 to set the new 10,000 mark and wipe Kenenisa Bekele from the record books while Gidey, who hadn't won a 5000 race in four years, broke Tirunesh Dibaba's 5000 world record.

www.letsrun.com

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Just compare the pacing between the Bekele's and Cheptegei's WR... It's crazy how even Cheptegei's splits were. Every lap was 62.9-63.0 seconds, on the dot. Even though he claimed that the lights didn't help him, I think they did... And yes, the last lap, they were turned off...

8 Takeaways After Cheptegei and Gidey Smash World Records in Valencia - LetsRun.com

Cheptegei went 13:07 - 13:03 to set the new 10,000 mark and wipe Kenenisa Bekele from the record books while Gidey, who hadn't won a 5000 race in four years, broke Tirunesh Dibaba's 5000 world record.

www.letsrun.com

Thanks for the link, while I did watch vids of some of the races I wasn't aware of Cheptegei's actual 10k splits.

Split Bekele Cheptegei

1k 02:39.9 02:37.9
2k 02:35.8 02:37.1
3k 02:37.6 02:37.7
4k 02:37.0 02:37.1
5k 02:39.2 02:37.9
6k 02:35.5 02:37.3
7k 02:39.3 02:37.0
8k 02:40.7 02:37.4
9k 02:40.5 02:37.3
10k 02:32.4 02:34.3

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say yes, the lights must have definitely helped just a tiny tad.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I'm not sure what you mean by the 90s?

So what do you make of these Wave Lights? It's my understanding they are turned off at the last 400m?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ZSkjojnXA&ab_channel=FloTrack

Not even close yet to the number of world records and seconds shaved off in this era as in the 90's (even accounting for the fact that each record is harder to break than the previous one).

 

[el_angliru]

Naser cleared:

Naser anti-doping charges dismissed

World 400m champion Salwa Eid Naser has her anti-doping violation charges dismissed by the World Athletics Disciplinary Tribunal.

www.bbc.com

This seems very dodgy (for instance: link).

 

[Red Rick]

There's some discussion on running forums about the new/current use of Wavelights and how much of a role they play in pacing a runner to a record time, some think they're another form of cheating, some think they aren't all that helpful and are merely an amusing lightshow for the spectators. I don't know yet for sure, but with the Wavelights, the bouncy shoes, and PEDs records were bound to be broken. Nothing shocks or surprises me in the world of athletics anymore.

Whatever the new dope is, it's amazing for running marketing.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Naser cleared:

Naser anti-doping charges dismissed

World 400m champion Salwa Eid Naser has her anti-doping violation charges dismissed by the World Athletics Disciplinary Tribunal.

www.bbc.com

This seems very dodgy (for instance: link).

It is extremely dodgy and I can't imagine Seb Coe will do anything about it. At least Miller-Uibo spoke up though, so there's that.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Whatever the new dope is, it's amazing for running marketing.

Oh man, athletics is on fire right now! Don't think they did, or are doing, much testing during this pandemic, looks like some (or many) athletes are fully taking advantage.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

Coleman banned for 2 years for missing tests

 

[Red Rick]

One thing I actually am curious about is why athletics is breaking world records and *** while cycling is still a few minutes away from peak EPO era climbing times?

Or can we put that down to EPO benefitting guys with the physical build of marathon runners considerably less? Finally, I'd love that graph to start considerably earlier like clearly before the start of the EPO era.

 

[TheSpud]

Coleman banned for 2 years for missing tests

World 100m champion Coleman banned

World 100m champion Christian Coleman is suspended for two years after missing three drugs tests.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[JosefK]

At the Valencia half marathon today (6 December 2020), four runners went under 58.00 minutes, breaking the previous world record of 58:01, with the winner Kibiwott Kandie (Kenya) coming in at 57:32! World half marathon champion Jacob Kiplimo (Uganda) was just a few seconds back in second place at 57:37, followed by 19-year-old Rhonex Kipruto (Kenya) in 3rd for his first competitive effort at this distance (57:49). Great training, great shoes!

 

[Cloxxki]

What are the cool kids using nowadays to match the unlimited era? Surely spikes are not really faster now?

 

[roundabout]

Fancy Bears send very interesting documents regarding the whole Schwazer chase to a local journalist who contacted them.
I don't have time to sumarize everything, but WADA contacted the Cologne lab that tested him positive and has the sample and told them that they shouldn't send the sample to Italy, so that they couldn't make the DNA test, that was ordered by the court of Bolzano.
Source: https://www.salto.bz/de/article/05072017/part-plot-against
I have zero sympathy for the guy and he made a few pretty disgusting statements a few years ago when he got busted for the first time ("I'm not a crook, I'm from South Tyrol, not from Napoli") and I don't think that he was able to perform on that level durning his comeback without any help, but it looks like he got screwed.

Hmm

https://sports.yahoo.com/olympic-walk-champion-schwazer-cleared-161849745.html?src=rss

and

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1362526213064052739

View: https://twitter.com/wada_ama/status/1362526213064052739


I don't know the specifics, but it all sounds very weird

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The Italian spin:

Alex Schwazer,'s mother:

“I was afraid if he lost the case that he might kill himself.
These wounds will never heal.
I am proud of him and he must not give up now, but competing will be difficult:
Alex will go to the Olympics if he's told he can .
He does not participate just to finish tenth!"

Translated from Corrriere

La mamma di Schwazer: «Ho temuto che si perdesse o lo uccidessero. Distrutti i sogni»

Il racconto di Maria Luisa Brunner: «Denunciò il doping, gliel’hanno fatta pagare. Queste sono ferite che non guariranno mai. L‘Olimpiade? Sarà difficile: Alex andrebbe solo se sapesse che può farcela, non per finire decimo»

www.corriere.it

 

[Mayomaniac]

He said to local TV that he doesn't believe that he'll be allowed to compete at the Olympics.
The guy now has a wife and a child, he said that he mainly wanted to prove that it wasn't his fault this time.
I guess he was an easy target and they mainly pucked him because he worked with Donati, who has a ton pf enemies in the Italian sports federations. He was one of the driving forces behind the blood tranfusion ban in the 80ies.

 

[Intra45]

There's some discussion on running forums about the new/current use of Wavelights and how much of a role they play in pacing a runner to a record time, some think they're another form of cheating, some think they aren't all that helpful and are merely an amusing lightshow for the spectators. I don't know yet for sure, but with the Wavelights, the bouncy shoes, and PEDs records were bound to be broken. Nothing shocks or surprises me in the world of athletics anymore.

What are wavelights? I tried looking it up but cant find any info on it.

 

[Sciatic]

It’s like the red dot you shine on the floor with a laser for your cat to chase, except for T&F it zips around the track inside Lane 1, moving at the WR pace. So you can see (on TV) and in stands whether a runner is ahead of behind WR pace at any moment.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

What I find more intriguing than who cheated/what is cheating and who didn't cheat/what isn't cheating is how athletes of past years would compare to today's athletes if they had the kind of track surfaces, starting blocks, spikes, timing systems and wave lights. Take Jesse Owens world record of 10.2 in the 100 metres of 1936, and compare it to Usain Bolt at 9.58. 62/100 of a second is a lot of ground to make up, but Owens was good - really good and there is no question in my mind he would have easily gone under 10. The question is by how much to challenge Bolt's record.

It is sort of like speculating if LA would have won the TDF without doping, assuming no one else doped. I have had countless arguments that he would not, but there are equally a large number who say he would have. It is a real shame there is not a metric by which these athletes can be compared (or is there?).

But this debate is a lot more interesting than the did he or didn't he, that dominates every doping article in the Clinic.