Doping In Athletics

[More Strides than Rides]

One day in and these games are a *** show. Kenyan coach offering bribes to inform on surprise tests ahead of time. Another coach posing as an athlete and taking their drug test. Steeplechaser caught. Turtle Blood 10,000m record smashed. Jama Aden's athlete, caught in the hotel with syringes of EPO, and other drugs could only finished 3rd.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Cheruiyot nearly beat that already ridiculous Chinese WR, and she lost the race by 15 seconds :lol:

 

[BullsFan22]

Dayuum. That's some running. Smashes the world record. I guess we don't have to worry about the Chinese women in the 90's anymore!

 

[hrotha]

That's so insane I have to wonder whether they got the track length wrong xD

 

[beowulf]

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That's so insane I have to wonder whether they got the track length wrong xD

The excuses will come thick and fast for the times. It is a fast track will be the excuse that will most likely be disseminated by the media, because most people have no idea or really care about how ridiculous these times are.

All I know is that the two women running from Japan - a nation that has a fairly solid reputation regarding clean athletics - failed to take advantage of this fast track and good conditions.

I did not watch the race, but I can just tell from the times that something is seriously amiss here.

But as they say "Move along, nothing to see here."

 

[PremierAndrew]

Phelps the only athlete with more Olympic golds than Bolt. Nice to see the clean, natural talent of Bolt dominating a sport rife with doping...

 

[El Pistolero]

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Phelps the only athlete with more Olympic golds than Bolt. Nice to see the clean, natural talent of Bolt dominating a sport rife with doping...

There's not enough chlorine in the world to make Phelps cleaner than Bolt.

 

[jahn]

Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

 

[Catwhoorg]

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That's so insane I have to wonder whether they got the track length wrong xD

That thought has genuinely occurred to me as well.

 

[The Hitch]

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Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

And more importantly, how does it matter who dopes more if they both dope?

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

And more importantly, how does it matter who dopes more if they both dope?

I saw this in the Canc debates. A handful of Boonen fans, who had spent years accusing Canc of doping eventually had to accept that by the same standards Boonen was unlikely to be clean. They decided they could live better with themselves if they created the idea that while Boonen dopes, he dopes less than Canc, and is therefore morally superior.

And they could sleep soundly at night again

 

[BullsFan22]

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Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

And more importantly, how does it matter who dopes more if they both dope?

Well, it matters to some, just look at the hysteria over the Russians. Yeah, other countries dope, but, but in Russia it's state-sponsored, as if to say, 'well if it's club based or individual based, it's ok...'

 

[buckle]

Re: Re:

Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

And more importantly, how does it matter who dopes more if they both dope?

Well, it matters to some, just look at the hysteria over the Russians. Yeah, other countries dope, but, but in Russia it's state-sponsored, as if to say, 'well if it's club based or individual based, it's ok...'

Which brings us back to the vilification of Lance as a panacea to cycling's issues. Similarly, the anti-Gatlin gang fail to ask how does Bolt beat Gatlin on a regular basis? Vince McMahon knows the answer to this simple question, why not everyone else?

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Which brings us back to the vilification of Lance as a panacea to cycling's issues. Similarly, the anti-Gatlin gang fail to ask how does Bolt beat Gatlin on a regular basis? Vince McMahon knows the answer to this simple question, why not everyone else?

You're forgetting Gatlin is just an average athlete who doesn't even bother training and is fueled purely by doping, while Bolt is the superb, once in a generation talent who is saving his sport

 

[El Pistolero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

I dunno, imo a slight improvement on Beamon's record isn't as big, relatively speaking, as Bolt doing 9.58, some 2 tenths faster than the nearest "clean" time. It clearly varies from event to event - not only is the long jump WR still well clear of the current best, but the men's and women's triple jump records are both now 21 years old, having been set within days of each other at the 95 Worlds

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

I was actually talking about Phelps' personality more than anything else. He's a horrible person. He blasted Efimova for using performance enhancing drugs and claimed she shouldn't be allowed to compete. And then we see this:

 

[The Hitch]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

Don't neccesarily agree. Some records still stand. But all the most important ones - 100m, 200m and marathon have been taken to pieces. 400m as well. 800m got crushed as well. The middle distance records are all from last decade. 1500m, 3000, 5000 and 10 000m but I can see the right athlete breaking them (especially 1500 where Farah got 3.27 and I think he could quite easily run 3.25 if he trained for it)

 

[El Pistolero]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

Don't neccesarily agree. Some records still stand. But all the most important ones - 100m, 200m and marathon have been taken to pieces. 400m as well. 800m got crushed as well. The middle distance records are all from last decade. 1500m, 3000, 5000 and 10 000m but I can see the right athlete breaking them (especially 1500 where Farah got 3.27 and I think he could quite easily run 3.25 if he trained for it)

Normally I would agree but the current generation jumps about 60cm less for Olympic Gold. That's pretty crazy in my eyes.

While I don't think Bolt is clean, I do think he's a once in a lifetime talent. I'm really curious what a Bolt could do in Long Jump if he trained for it though. That Bartoletta girl won Gold in the Long Jump and the 4 x 100M relay race (and she did a very good run).

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Yes, that sponsored media darling destroying the records in the most marquee of track events surely can't be doping. Also they don't even test their athletes in the off season maybe because they don't need to?

I mean just look at how positive he's protrayed! No sinister music in the background.

Could you imagine what would happen to track and field, nay the entire olympics if he had a legit carbon ratio test and failed? All that money lost for plenty of wealthy people.

Never said Bolt was clean.

but you are playing the stupid - My guy dopes less than the guy I don't like, game.

How do you know that phelps dopes more than bolt?

I was actually talking about Phelps' personality more than anything else. He's a horrible person. He blasted Efimova for using performance enhancing drugs and claimed she shouldn't be allowed to compete. And then we see this:

That's a good find. Indeed, you are 100% right, he's a hypocrite

 

[buckle]

Re: Re:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

Don't neccesarily agree. Some records still stand. But all the most important ones - 100m, 200m and marathon have been taken to pieces. 400m as well. 800m got crushed as well. The middle distance records are all from last decade. 1500m, 3000, 5000 and 10 000m but I can see the right athlete breaking them (especially 1500 where Farah got 3.27 and I think he could quite easily run 3.25 if he trained for it)

Normally I would agree but the current generation jumps about 60cm less for Olympic Gold. That's pretty crazy in my eyes.

While I don't think Bolt is clean, I do think he's a once in a lifetime talent. I'm really curious what a Bolt could do in Long Jump if he trained for it though. That Bartoletta girl won Gold in the Long Jump and the 4 x 100M relay race (and she did a very good run).

He has been the best responder for the last 9 years. Nike will begin the search for another. This is Hollywood and nothing more.

 

[The Hitch]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

Don't neccesarily agree. Some records still stand. But all the most important ones - 100m, 200m and marathon have been taken to pieces. 400m as well. 800m got crushed as well. The middle distance records are all from last decade. 1500m, 3000, 5000 and 10 000m but I can see the right athlete breaking them (especially 1500 where Farah got 3.27 and I think he could quite easily run 3.25 if he trained for it)

Normally I would agree but the current generation jumps about 60cm less for Olympic Gold. That's pretty crazy in my eyes.

While I don't think Bolt is clean, I do think he's a once in a lifetime talent. I'm really curious what a Bolt could do in Long Jump if he trained for it though. That Bartoletta girl won Gold in the Long Jump and the 4 x 100M relay race (and she did a very good run).

You are taking one event though. One event they are a lot worse. In some events they are a lot better.
I think the best guys just aren't trying long jump anymore. Or the ones with access to top doping programmes.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0WfsAwvTSU

Do you think this will ever be beaten? I know we're all cynics here in the clinic, but the doping athletes can get away with nowadays isn't nearly as effective as back in the '90s.

Yeah, doping is more sophisticated now, but the Long Jump hasn't had the depth of quality that it used to have. The easiest data point is to compare Carl Lewis (admitted doper) to only sprinter/jumper currently, Jarrion Lawson. Carl ran 9.86 and 19.74 in the 100m and 200m. Lawson has run 10.07 and 20.17. His PR in the LJ is 8.58 (8.25m in the Olympic Final for 4th, 8.38 won gold.)

Speed matters.

People like to ask what Bolt could do in the 400m, or Long Jump (or the Mile...). He wouldn't match his 100m/200m level in the 400m, but he could destroy records in the Long Jump.