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Best lesson those kids will ever learn. If you want to get to the very top of any field, not just in sport, but any walk of life, it helps being a massive lying, morally and ethically vacant D-bag.
 
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Ouch!...Bolt gets a little testy with a hard question from a journalist at the post-race press conference. I thought it was a rhetorical question and he goes "Lance Armstrong" on the journalist. And Gatlin should just keep his mouth shut...he's lucky to be there. His 2nd positive went from a lifetime to 8 yr to 4 yr. Starts @ 6:30 in:

https://youtu.be/BlQkSyKv9BI
He did an average job at answering a pertinent question. If there was a bright person asking the questions he would be ripped to pieces.
 
Don't know why I'm surprised but the journalists talking on the BBC about Gatlin/booing tonight..

Jamaican guy talking about comeback/getting another chance - "Gatlin's story is a good story"
American guy - "They're excessively tested and it's on a level playing field now"
Michael Johnson comparing the booing to Trump's populism and saying people may come to regret it. What :confused:
Ato Boldon - "I have a lot of respect for what Gatlin has done [then lists a bunch of results since 2012]"

Steve Cram pretty reasonable about everything going against Johnson moaning about how people focus on Gatlin
 
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I know we shouldn't probably lean on Lance comparisons too much, but Bolt defending Gatlin reminds me of him defending known dopers when he was winning. There's something deeply cynical about it - it says a lot more about Bolt than it does Gatlin

MJ taking Cram apart live on air here is genuinely hilarious: https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/894259043191054336 - reminder that Cram was vocally airing suspicions about Makhloufi when he won the gold from nowhere in 2012 but has never done the same with any British athlete including those who have actually been banned for doping violations *cough* Ohuruogu *cough*

Incidentally, with regard to bans, I'm fully onboard with the idea that life bans are a terrible idea - given what we know about how corrupt sports governing bodies are, if you brought in life bans for doping the bans would quickly disappear, save one or two easy scapegoats. No way would they be brave enough to give a life ban to a top sportsperson who tested positive
 
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Just watching Icarus and its compulsive viewing but frustrating that so many of todays athletes and other generations have either got away with cheating or are currently cheating.
So many have not only got away with it but are now held in high esteem by so many and our stupid honours system has compounded that by giving some the highest awards.
And they want us to believe its only the Russians who are cheating ! unbelievable.
 
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Bizarre women's 100m final performance by Elaine Thompson. She seemed to just...not accelerate. As if she wasn't trying?

Last night boos, tonight Booooowie
 
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Michael Johnson comparing the booing to Trump's populism and saying people may come to regret it. What :confused:
Not sure about the context here, but I agree with the statement that the booing can compared to populism here. In the end the people go along with a popular and simple choice instead of seeing the more complex reality, which basically is that despite being caught more often than his opponents, Gatlin isn't dirtier than the rest.
 

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luckyboy said:
Michael Johnson comparing the booing to Trump's populism and saying people may come to regret it. What :confused:
Not sure about the context here, but I agree with the statement that the booing can compared to populism here. In the end the people go along with a popular and simple choice instead of seeing the more complex reality, which basically is that despite being caught more often than his opponents, Gatlin isn't cleaner than the rest.
You mean dirtier? He is however worth booing just because he is a scumbag, regardless of his history.
 
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LuxCZ said:
luckyboy said:
Michael Johnson comparing the booing to Trump's populism and saying people may come to regret it. What :confused:
Not sure about the context here, but I agree with the statement that the booing can compared to populism here. In the end the people go along with a popular and simple choice instead of seeing the more complex reality, which basically is that despite being caught more often than his opponents, Gatlin isn't cleaner than the rest.
You mean dirtier? He is however worth booing just because he is a scumbag, regardless of his history.
Yes, that was quite a mistake :redface:
 
LuxCZ said:
luckyboy said:
Michael Johnson comparing the booing to Trump's populism and saying people may come to regret it. What :confused:
Not sure about the context here, but I agree with the statement that the booing can compared to populism here. In the end the people go along with a popular and simple choice instead of seeing the more complex reality, which basically is that despite being caught more often than his opponents, Gatlin isn't dirtier than the rest.

Its more that the British media have painted a good vs bad narrative of the situation. Bolt is the good guy. In fact he is the great guy. Nothing he can do is wrong.He's the best, he works the hardest, he's the nicest, he's the funniest.

Given the same sort of adulation that a mother gives her children .

By the same token, anyone who poses danger to the hero Bolt, must be EVIL.

Gatlin is EVIL. He competes against Bolt, the great hero, therefore he must be demonised in the same way that in the bible the snake is portrayed as evil because snakes historically posed danger to children.

The unfortunate thing people getting caught doping has done is that it gives fanboys the feeling that they have legitimate reasons for blindly supporting their favourite athlete and painting their rivals as evil.
 
thehog said:
This is not a IAAF problem. It's a USADA problem whereby Tygart provides leniency for athletes who have a vocal support of he Christian faith.

Gatlin is not only still competing but managed to have both positives reduced to 2 years. That's astounding.
You nailed it - Tygart hype comes because one or two famous cases landed in his lap - USADA is soft when it comes to doping.

Will add that Bolt was not in shape - First time he's never doe the 100/200 metre double.
 
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There seems in the mens 100m to be less insanely fast times being set in the past couple of years, perhaps they have been on a new THG/'The Clear' type drug and been tipped off about a new test and are lower octane at the moment.
 
yaco said:
thehog said:
This is not a IAAF problem. It's a USADA problem whereby Tygart provides leniency for athletes who have a vocal support of he Christian faith.

Gatlin is not only still competing but managed to have both positives reduced to 2 years. That's astounding.
You nailed it - Tygart hype comes because one or two famous cases landed in his lap - USADA is soft when it comes to doping.

Will add that Bolt was not in shape - First time he's never doe the 100/200 metre double.
Tygart is dreadfully compromised. Agreed the Armstrong case fell in his lap with testimony dropped in his hands. He couldn't that one. But Tygart's recent behaviour with Mayweather, Gatlin and others who speak of their love of God gets you a reduced sentence. The Nike Oregon Project appears much in the same boat of never coming to all form of conclusion.

Tygart love of stripclubs is what makes him even more baffling of a character on how he aligns that obsession with his religious beliefs.
 
I've gone camping the territory normally occupied by others and come up with something AMAZEBALLS!!! Try this for logic. We know as fact that British Cycling dope. As British Cycling dope for the glory of Queen and country and the patriotic warmth engendered by all those bangles and baubles, it follows that British Cycling would willingly share the secrets of their doping programme with British Athletics, for the glory of Queen and country and the patriotic warmth engendered by all those bangles and baubles, but since British Athletics are actually performing really *** here and not doing much by way of the glory of Queen and country and the patriotic warmth engendered by all those bangles and baubles it's pretty obvious that British Cycling are not sharing with them the secrets of their doping programme ... because it's all about motors, not drugs, proving not only that British Cycling are motor doping like crazy for the glory of Queen and country and the patriotic warmth engendered by all those bangles and baubles and have been motor doping like crazy for, like, years, but also that British Athletics doesn't have a doping programme and is sucking the proverbial totes clean.
 
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Don't know about doping but the finish of that women's 400m was suspect. Shaunae Miller-Uibo just stopped. Didn't look injured. Didn't look particularly gutted having lost an easy win
 
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Bwlch y Groes said:
Don't know about doping but the finish of that women's 400m was suspect. Shaunae Miller-Uibo just stopped. Didn't look injured. Didn't look particularly gutted having lost an easy win
Jesus...is this a joke?
 
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