Driving into cyclists the Emma way

[noob]

That's just horrible!

But the sad part; with all the stories like that frequently popping up around here; I'm not even shocked about it any more...

Why do some people hate cyclists so much?

Probably partly also because they're in their car feeling guilty for not being on their bike. Plus some cyclists are not good at it.

 

[Cookster15]

Probably partly also because they're in their car feeling guilty for not being on their bike. Plus some cyclists are not good at it.

Yes, jealousy. Jealous that some people are not fat and lazy. The anger and carry-on against cyclists is 99% irrational. They never significantly slow anyone's journey - seconds at most. And the same people never express frustration at large trucks or buses on the roads which can have a much greater effect on travel times (and safety). They think bikes don't belong on roads.

In Australia we even have many people who think cyclists should be forced to be registered for road use and even have number plates for identification!

 

[Sciatic]

Probably partly also because they're in their car feeling guilty for not being on their bike. Plus some cyclists are not good at it.

I don’t think that’s the case for most drivers in the US. Perhaps in some sections of cities and cycling-oriented smaller communities that might be true of some drivers, but the majority who don’t respect cyclists rights to the road (intentionally or not) just see cyclists—along with pedestrians and slow vehicles) as getting in their way ‘because they are the important people and their cars possession of the road is absolute. Not to mention that this is now additionally fueled by perceptions that cyclists are priviledged and perhaps lefty enviros.

 

[noob]

I don’t think that’s the case for most drivers in the US. Perhaps in some sections of cities and cycling-oriented smaller communities that might be true of some drivers, but the majority who don’t respect cyclists rights to the road (intentionally or not) just see cyclists—along with pedestrians and slow vehicles) as getting in their way ‘because they are the important people and their cars possession of the road is absolute. Not to mention that this is now additionally fueled by perceptions that cyclists are priviledged and perhaps lefty enviros.

Hmm you mean poor people wanting to kill rich people? Or the other way around?

Tao GH once linked some study on twitter suggesting that cyclists without helmets were less targeted.

 

[Sciatic]

Hmm you mean poor people wanting to kill rich people? Or the other way around?

Tao GH once linked some study on twitter suggesting that cyclists without helmets were less targeted.

It’s a rare instance where economic status doesn’t make as big a difference— people behind the wheel, rich or poor, feel superior and have less empathy for folks who get in their way, especially if that “obstacle” is not another car.

 

[frenchfry]

Texas cyclist, 69, mowed down in brazen hit-and-run ‘lucky to be alive’ as suspected drunk driver is ID’d as American Airlines worker

“I was unconscious for a number of minutes,” he said. “I guess some people thought I wasn’t breathing.”

nypost.com

Article from the New York Post, so most of the comments are deplorable.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Texas cyclist, 69, mowed down in brazen hit-and-run ‘lucky to be alive’ as suspected drunk driver is ID’d as American Airlines worker

“I was unconscious for a number of minutes,” he said. “I guess some people thought I wasn’t breathing.”

nypost.com

Article from the New York Post, so most of the comments are deplorable.

Comments like those make me want to pack whenever I go for a road ride.

 

[RedheadDane]

What I find most infuriating about the article is how this photo has a caption saying the car allegedly drove over him. "Allegedly"?

 

[noob]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IpXKdYeUBIY

 

[ManicJack]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IpXKdYeUBIY

Should have offered the cop a cookie.

 

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[frenchfry]

A couple of teenagers just having a little fun driving into cyclicts.
What kind of world do we live in

Teens charged with murder in fatal hit-and-run of bicyclist captured on video

The teenager believed to be the driver and a 15-year-old have been charged with an open count of murder, conspiracy to commit murder and other charges.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Unchained]

A couple of teenagers just having a little fun driving into cyclicts.
What kind of world do we live in

Teens charged with murder in fatal hit-and-run of bicyclist captured on video

The teenager believed to be the driver and a 15-year-old have been charged with an open count of murder, conspiracy to commit murder and other charges.

www.nbcnews.com

We can never know what part social media presence, pressure is at work. You see tens of thousands of videos that show criminal, ultra dangerous behavior that get hundreds, hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of positive recognition online. Kids do crazy, dangerous, criminal, deadly things in online videos and it's all praised in large degree by audience. Some guy is dead because some children don't have a grasp of reality or consequences. 15,13,11 year old involved with killing a 63 year old, they had a stolen car, gun and bizarre mental processing to make videos of everything!!
This story is super, super sad and disgusting in equal measures.

 

[Unchained]

Kids' joy ride in stolen car ends with bicyclist killed. Should they face murder charges?

Boys, 11 and 13, are being charged with murder after a fatal hit-and-run. Can kids be too young to face murder charges? Depends what state you're in.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Unchained]

Jury convicts driver who killed 17-year-old Boulder cyclist Magnus White

Yeva Smilianska, 24, faces two to six years in prison for the death of Magnus White, but could be eligible for probation, the DA said.

www.denverpost.com

Just put this out there..if you read this, related story from Cycling News, don't miss some of the details, such as dead cyclist, person who did it allowed to be out living life. Under Colorado law killing Magnus is a crime that you can get probation if found guilty. And many of the stories touch on it, but because police and prosecutors don't \didn't have a f@@king clue what they were doing.. The easy to read chronology of events were in 2 very different lines, Magnus has personal and electronic communications with friends and family about his day, fun,food, training.. And the motor murderer had communications both in person and electronic that laid out intentions to buy and use as much cocaine as possible, and given the easy to follow timeline it's thought that she was coming down off multi hour cocaine crash and was likely dozing off while driving, killing a young gun in his early prime. And the stories, all, make little of the buffoonery by law enforcement that has most almost all of the back and forth about criminal cocaine use omitted from evidence that jury was able to hear. This human garbage was high and drunk and despite everything written, observed by witnesses, cops, sounds like 6,7 didn't see any reason for a roadside sobriety test..Cops were absolute clowns!!! Have a woman who just ran over someone, can't walk or talk because she is " exhausted "..says her car had a steering malfunction.. Cops can't test for that, but for good measure they could have gotten blood,urine evidence to cover all bases.
If you live in Colorado, besides being scared and careful, don't let these monkeys keep their jobs!!!So much for public safety on every level, epic fail!! Can you tell it pisses me off!!

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Who among us has never weaved a bit because an overtaking cager (motorist) sounded his horn IN OUR EAR just at the moment of overtaking?

It's called "startle reflex" and "reflex" means it is involuntary. Beyond the cyclist's control.

They could sound their horn some 20 or 30 metres back and it might not startle a cyclist. And even if it did, there would be some seconds for the cyclist to regain control and avoid incident. And that would be a good thing because apparently, in Old Blighty, if you are killed from being startled into the path of a bus, it's YOUR fault.

Boy, 11, killed cycling home ‘after veering into path of bus when driver beeped’​

... A passenger on the bus, Victoria Lester, said she remembered the boy ‘jumping at the sound of the horn’ and said Lucas ‘seemed to be losing control’....

... Asked whether the crash was preventable, he said: ‘In this particular case, I was able to establish that if the bike carried on in a straight line it wouldn’t have happened.

‘In regards to why or how Lucas turned the bike, I wasn’t able to establish why.

‘There’s no evidence to support that it was a loss of control.

‘There was no reaction from Lucas and no indication that Lucas had heard the horn before it happened.’ ...

... Coroner Peter Sigee ... told the court the bus driver had been ‘overtaking in a manner within the highway code’.

The coroner said: ‘Lucas suddenly, and without warning, veered to the right so that a collision occurred‘....

 

[RedheadDane]

Let me get this straight:
A passenger in the bus, who witnessed the whole thing, was able to figure out that he'd gotten startled by the horn.
But the police officer, who obviously only arrived on the scene later, was all "It's a big mystery"...

 

[Unchained]

Let me get this straight:
A passenger in the bus, who witnessed the whole thing, was able to figure out that he'd gotten startled by the horn.
But the police officer, who obviously only arrived on the scene later, was all "It's a big mystery"...

To be fair... Many( millions) of American drivers think that using the horn to alter cyclists and people walking near the road is helpful, a sort of safety measure. Especially older drivers think, maybe mistakenly that use of the horn was part of their drivers training.
I don't know this to be fact, but if I had to guess, US has more older drivers on the road than anywhere on the planet. And rules about what to do as a cyclist are not taught, at any age..rules for drivers, encountering, overtaking bike riders is at the most a couple of sentences when you get a drivers license, which majority of Americans get when they are 16 years old and your skills or knowledge are never revisited ..many people drive into their 80s, some 90s.
So I am clear.. You get a license at 16 with no training or limited training and you keep that license until you die often times. Much of the danger on US roads is self inflicted, no training and all by design.

 

[Sciatic]

To be fair... Many( millions) of American drivers think that using the horn to alter cyclists and people walking near the road is helpful, a sort of safety measure. Especially older drivers think, maybe mistakenly that use of the horn was part of their drivers training.
I don't know this to be fact, but if I had to guess, US has more older drivers on the road than anywhere on the planet. And rules about what to do as a cyclist are not taught, at any age..rules for drivers, encountering, overtaking bike riders is at the most a couple of sentences when you get a drivers license, which majority of Americans get when they are 16 years old and your skills or knowledge are never revisited ..many people drive into their 80s, some 90s.
So I am clear.. You get a license at 16 with no training or limited training and you keep that license until you die often times. Much of the danger on US roads is self inflicted, no training and all by design.

Only thing I would add is that when you move residence to a different state, some states require one to take the (very easy) exam (but not the driving test) to get a new license issued. But that's not much of a hurdle. The ability of very elderly individuals to keep their license despite diminished visual and hearing capabilities and poor reaction time is a serious problem. My mother was still able to get her license renewed at 96 (she lived to 101). At least she self-restricted her driving to only daytime driving in her small town and no freeways. Still a hazard.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

To be fair... Many( millions) of American drivers think that using the horn to alter cyclists and people walking near the road is helpful, a sort of safety measure. Especially older drivers think, maybe mistakenly that use of the horn was part of their drivers training....

I could not care less how they came by the habit, it can put a cyclist's life at risk and needs to be addressed accordingly.

Furthermore, in most of the civilised world, it is the obligation of the overtaking motorist to avoid the overtaken, regardless. And striking another motorist from behind is almost always considered the overtaker's fault, particularly if they are in the same lane.

It is absolutely mental they aren't hanging the bus driver out to dry.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

British law excuses the driver of a motor coach of killing a child because the coach driver was "holding his line" while the child was not, but let a bicyclist kill a pedestrian and he'll be hanged, drawn & quartered.

Cyclists who kill pedestrians could face life sentences under proposed new ‘dangerous cycling’ law​

The Department for Transport says its amendments to the Crime and Policing Bill will “ensure that the tiny minority who recklessly disregard others face the full force of the law”

by Ryan Mallon Fri, Apr 25, 2025 10:49

Cyclists who cause death by dangerous cycling could face life imprisonment, according to new legislation proposed by the Department for Transport this week.

As part of a series of amendments tabled on Thursday to the Crime and Policing Bill, branded “one of the biggest legislative updates to policing for decades”, cyclists who kill pedestrians by riding dangerously could be sentenced to life in prison, while cyclists who cause serious injury by dangerous cycling could face a maximum five-year term in jail....

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Eight injured in student cycling group, car collision​

By Kayleigh Madjar / Staff writer, with CNA

Eight people have been sent to hospitals for treatment after a private vehicle collided with a student cycling group in Changhua County this morning...

...A private passenger vehicle appeared to have collided with the cycling group, which was on a trip around the island, it said.

The seven students and driver of the vehicle were sent to hospitals for treatment, it said...

...Based on a preliminary investigation, the driver appeared to have fallen asleep at the wheel and veered into oncoming traffic, the Changhua Police Department's Beidou Precinct said.

The driver — who several local news outlets identified as a 40-year-old man surnamed Hsiao (蕭) — did not have any alcohol in his system, police said.

The group of cyclists included 28 students from Kang Chiao, as well as two teachers and one guide, police said....

 

[Sciatic]

I could not care less how they came by the habit, it can put a cyclist's life at risk and needs to be addressed accordingly.

Furthermore, in most of the civilised world, it is the obligation of the overtaking motorist to avoid the overtaken, regardless. And striking another motorist from behind is almost always considered the overtaker's fault, particularly if they are in the same lane.

It is absolutely mental they aren't hanging the bus driver out to dry.

Well, I think it's reasonable to question whether we're in that category right now.