Drugs in rugby

[Catwhoorg]

Re:

This is an enlightening article from a year ago written by Neil Francis.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/neil-francis-ambivalence-towards-ped-abuse-in-sport-is-truly-galling-30602799.html

Good article. Thanks for the link.

 

[Benotti69]

Doping in rugby is widespread says banned Daniel Spencer-Tonks

BBC wait till England knocked out of Rugby World cup then publish this.......

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-league/34419249

 

[del1962]

The program this flows from was advertised before saturday's game so nowt todo with England being knocked out.

 

[JimmyFingers]

I think the widespread pre-dominance of doping is established by the number of positive tests. Like football one of the sports 'protected' through intentional media ignorance. Something if I bring it up in the pub gets ignored or shouted down. When I played of you were big you played in the pack, if you were small and fast you were a back. Now they are all the same size and run like the wind.

 

[The Carrot]

Marginal gains aggregate more for some than for others it seems.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jan/24/matt-parker-marginal-gains-england-rugby-sky-cycling

 

[Scarponi]

Being from Australia and all I have noticed just lately the last 5 years that some of these guys at the World Cup are huge, and not just those in the pack who seem to have that softer look as they need heavy body mass but the backs have extreme muscular striations and size

 

[42x16ss]

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Being from Australia and all I have noticed just lately the last 5 years that some of these guys at the World Cup are huge, and not just those in the pack who seem to have that softer look as they need heavy body mass but the backs have extreme muscular striations and size

Just look at Sonny Bill Williams. In League he's a mobile, hard hitting second rower. In Union he's an average sized outside back. Sam Burgess is the same for England.

Rugby League has it's own issues too but the size of Union players in this day and age is insane. Players like Campese, Horan, Burke, Umaga, Spencer etc would get smashed off the park these days.

 

[del1962]

Watching Ireland's rugby team and saw Cian Healy go off.

Him of the tweet about Kimmage fame.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

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Being from Australia and all I have noticed just lately the last 5 years that some of these guys at the World Cup are huge, and not just those in the pack who seem to have that softer look as they need heavy body mass but the backs have extreme muscular striations and size

Just look at Sonny Bill Williams. In League he's a mobile, hard hitting second rower. In Union he's an average sized outside back. Sam Burgess is the same for England.

Rugby League has it's own issues too but the size of Union players in this day and age is insane. Players like Campese, Horan, Burke, Umaga, Spencer etc would get smashed off the park these days.

with respect, SBW is not an average sized inside back.....on the box it can be deceptive to see the comparative size to the other players.....up close and live is a different story.
He is a big man! huge, wide, thick upper body. Very athletic with great skills - he can chop and change between the codes and do very well.

in the All Blacks, smaller players like A Smith, A Cruden, Cory Jane, B Barrett are not that big....they have speed, very strong fends and play the game to their strengths and know their weakness. They tackle low around the ankles and never mix it with the big boys unless absolutely necessary.

In this WC have you seen the new AB winger Milner-Skudder?? Small man, very quick, very nimble and has a great off load.....also tackles low and has a powerful fend.

Julian Savea on the other hand....not called "the bus" for nothing

 

[blackcat]

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Julian Savea on the other hand....not called "the bus" for nothing

jerome bettis

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

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Julian Savea on the other hand....not called "the bus" for nothing

jerome bettis

yes, the original "Bus" or "Battering Ram" as he was known.

retired in 06

Savea is the new "Bus"......in rugby union circles anyways.

 

[Brullnux]

If we want big guys then I'm pretty sure Nadolo is who we are looking for, 196cm and 128kg, while being really fast, great handling and possibly the laziest kicking technique I have ever seen and still kicks it 60+ metres, albeit not always accurately.

 

[Zebadeedee]

Couldn't help but see some irony in this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXppMqUVMYE

A more ridiculously childish ad, I've yet to see. The obviously northern accent voicing the strapline at the end - plucked straight out of rugby league territory - is hilarious. I thought someone was hamming it up until I saw the RFU logo.

Shows just how out of touch with their supporter base the RFU actually are. Along with, of course, their zero interest in nailing rampant steroid abuse.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Since the first tournament in 1987, the size of players has increased - forwards by 8.9kg (20lb) and backs by 8.5kg (18lb) - which has in turn led to an increase in players getting injured.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=11528883

 

[42x16ss]

Former Canberra and Penrith winger Sandor Earl has been hit with a 4 year ban after charges of use and trafficking with the offences occurring back in 2011.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/former-nrl-winger-sandor-earl-given-four-year-ban-for-drug-use-20151014-gk8xdd.html

I've said it before and I'll say it again, breaching the salary cap gets faster, more coherent punishment than any other offence in Australian sport

 

[Catwhoorg]

Keighly Cougars player Daley Willaims suspended for 4 years for a Steroid AAF

Press release:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/rugby-league-player-daley-williams-receives-four-year-ban-for-steroids1/

Full decision:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6896


Paragraph 17 is basically the athletes claim about how he came to test positive. Buying some stuff from a random guy in the gym.
if this is truly the case, how dumb can he actually be ?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Two Welsh Union players banned for PEDS.

Owen Morgan, of Merthyr RFC: drostanolone and Cocaine metabolites (4 years)
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6935

Greg Roberts, of Gleneath RFC: Tamoxifen (2 years)
http://www.ukad.org.uk/anti-doping-rule-violations/download-decision/a/6934

Interestingly the reason for the two year ban, is that for certain specified substances UKAD has to "prove intent" to get the 4 years.
That seems like a loophole even the Orica driver could drive a bus through without being caught.

Press release:
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/two-welsh-rugby-union-players-banned-following-anti-doping-rule-violations

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I realise correlation is not causation, but I wondered about the timeline and ...

Jonah Lomu died of cardiac arrest
"The final mechanism was something caused the heart to go into cardiac arrest, most probably a cardiac or pulmonary event," he said.
...
The former All Black winger had been battling a rare kidney disorder known as nephrotic syndrome for many years. It began to make itself apparent even when he was making global headlines steamrolling England into submission at the 1995 Rugby World Cup and afterwards.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11547393&ref=NZH_FBpage

And this is from 2004 -- notice the similarities?

Warning on Super 12's booster


The world's top sports anti-doping agency is warning athletes against a performance-enhancing supplement which has been popular among New Zealand rugby players.

The World Anti-Doping Agency is giving the warning because of potential health risks, in particular to the kidneys and liver.

Joeli Vidiri is among Super 12 players who took creatine. In 2001, he was diagnosed as having nephrotic syndrome, a condition which has led to his kidneys failing. He receives dialysis three times a week.

Vidiri began taking creatine, which he told the Weekend Herald was provided by the Blues, in 1997.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/phil-taylor/news/article.cfm?a_id=125&objectid=3580095

 

[blackcat]

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ndrome[/u], a condition which has led to his kidneys failing. He receives dialysis three times a week.

Vidiri began taking creatine, which he told the Weekend Herald was provided by the Blues, in 1997.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/phil-taylor/news/article.cfm?a_id=125&objectid=3580095

i did creatine when i went to the gym, i was just a little ignorant tacker who wanted to put on muscle.

snd I thought that Lomu was a victim like flojo, but, if anything, compare him to the wingers and backs now in rugby, he looks small, and slow even!

 

[Catwhoorg]

It is possible, but I would add that creatine is not and as far as I know has never been considered an illegal PED.


Outside of the Lomu speculation, it just doubles down just how dangerous to an individual this "supplement culture" in Rugby can be.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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It is possible, but I would add that creatine is not and as far as I know has never been considered an illegal PED.


Outside of the Lomu speculation, it just doubles down just how dangerous to an individual this "supplement culture" in Rugby can be.

I think it was more a media mask for harder stuff.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

It is possible, but I would add that creatine is not and as far as I know has never been considered an illegal PED.


Outside of the Lomu speculation, it just doubles down just how dangerous to an individual this "supplement culture" in Rugby can be.

I think it was more a media mask for harder stuff.

indeed,

sorry to be conspiratorial but I could not help thinking flojo

but the guy was a beast at 16/17, he could have started early like jeenaveive jeanson the canadian, and there are russian sportsmen in the government system tested positive at 14, and we know they dope the gymnasts under 12 years too.

but, point was supposed to be, he was not that big in comparison to the players now, he was almost on the small side, and his speed on the wing would not be the fastest in 2015 neither. nor his endurance, tho those two elements do usually work in counter balance

 

[del1962]

creatine though legal can have adverse effects on kidneys, would not touch it myself, better to have a nice steak so in natural form

 

[unclem0nty]

Plenty of research linking steroid use with the 'rare kidney disorder nephrotic syndrome' that killed Lomu.

In a study presented recently to the annual meeting of the American Society of Nephrology in San Diego, researchers looked at a small number of bodybuilders who had documented long-term abuse of anabolic steroids and subsequent kidney complications.
Among the 10 men, some had proteinuria, or high levels of protein in the urine, as well as renal insufficiency, or poor kidney function caused by reduced blood flow to the kidneys. Five had full nephrotic syndrome, indicated by proteinuria, low levels of protein in the blood, and high cholesterol. Nine had focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, or scarring in the kidneys.

http://www.drugfreesport.com/newsroom/insight.asp?VolID=49&TopicID=4

 

[Catwhoorg]

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but, point was supposed to be, he was not that big in comparison to the players now, he was almost on the small side, and his speed on the wing would not be the fastest in 2015 neither. nor his endurance, tho those two elements do usually work in counter balance

This is true. He was literally outstanding in terms of size and speed in 1995. By 2015 humans have cleared evolved to a larger faster species.

Or its the dope.

And as evidenced throughout this thread, I lean towards the latter.