"Escarabajos" Who is the best climber?

[El Pistolero]

Man do you make long shot predictions

He's Colombian, so it's very longshot.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

Quintana is a freak of the nature, the most talented climber since Andy Schleck, with head, seems that love cycling, seems that is a great worker... has it all. But, always is a but i think theres one guy ahead. The french Thibaut Pinot. With only 22 years Thibaut did things in the TDF that i never had seen since Pantani (saw him in videos) So Thibaut, Nairo, Tejay, Joe D... cycling need them.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what quitnana showed here is a lot more impressive than hanging on to guys like jvdb and nibali. lol

 

[El Pistolero]

what quitnana showed here is a lot more impressive than hanging on to guys like jvdb and nibali. lol

Yet JVDB would still beat Jrod any time of the day in the Tour de France. Just to put things into perspective.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

what quitnana showed here is a lot more impressive than hanging on to guys like jvdb and nibali. lol

To be fair to Pinot he did a little more than that. He was definitely among the strongest on more than one occasion, not to mention that he won a pretty impressive stage victory.

That said, judging only their climbing abilities, I do think that Quintana is the more talented of the two.

 

[hrotha]

Pinot was also more consistent.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

I'm wondering how much growth margin Quintana has.

When you look at a picture of Chaves and then a picture of Quintana,. Chaves looks like he's 11 years old and Quintana looks like he's 35 years old, though they are both from 1990. Then when you go to Pinot, he actually looks like he's 22.

Is it possible that Quintana's body simply developed faster than for instance a guy like Chaves? You get this with Eastern European guys too sometimes, their body just seems to develop faster, so they get a high level when they just got pro, but then stagnate. (Kreuziger, Popovych)

But yeah, first year in Europe, 22 years old and riding with Contador, Purito and Valverde in the most difficult mountain stages, while actually working for Valverde, that's one crazy talent. A shame he lost a lot of time in the first week.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

what quitnana showed here is a lot more impressive than hanging on to guys like jvdb and nibali. lol

I think not. I think people is confuse overrating the level of this Vuelta a España. Overrating Purito beacuse he is beating Contador, Froome and Valverde, but a Contador who was out six months and dont have the competition rhytm, a Valverde in his first year after the punishment and a Froome overcooked after Tour and Olympics. So i think the TDF is the GT with more level this year. And what did Pinot in the TDF were amazing. He beat a superFroome in La Toussuire, did an impressive show in Porrentruy and was the fourth strongest in the mountain. Also was consistent with only 22 years, and arriving in France when wasnt expected.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yet JVDB would still beat Jrod any time of the day in the Tour de France. Just to put things into perspective.

LOL

whatever

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[Ryo Hazuki]

I'm wondering how much growth margin Quintana has.

When you look at a picture of Chaves and then a picture of Quintana,. Chaves looks like he's 11 years old and Quintana looks like he's 35 years old, though they are both from 1990. Then when you go to Pinot, he actually looks like he's 22.

Is it possible that Quintana's body simply developed faster than for instance a guy like Chaves? You get this with Eastern European guys too sometimes, their body just seems to develop faster, so they get a high level when they just got pro, but then stagnate. (Kreuziger, Popovych)

But yeah, first year in Europe, 22 years old and riding with Contador, Purito and Valverde in the most difficult mountain stages, while actually working for Valverde, that's one crazy talent. A shame he lost a lot of time in the first week.

all indians look like 40 when they are 15. something to do with their nature and skin and living for so many generations at incredible cirucmstances in nature.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I think not. I think people is confuse overrating the level of this Vuelta a España. Overrating Purito beacuse he is beating Contador, Froome and Valverde, but a Contador who was out six months and dont have the competition rhytm, a Valverde in his first year after the punishment and a Froome overcooked after Tour and Olympics. So i think the TDF is the GT with more level this year. And what did Pinot in the TDF were amazing. He beat a superFroome in La Toussuire, did an impressive show in Porrentruy and was the fourth strongest in the mountain. Also was consistent with only 22 years, and arriving in France when wasnt expected.

the level in this vuelta is a lot higher than in this years tour. a LOT. wiggins would be crying here and finishing 6th, around gesink at best

 

[Jason_Mercier]

the level in this vuelta is a lot higher than in this years tour. a LOT. wiggins would be crying here and finishing 6th, around gesink at best

But why? ...

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

But why? ...

Because this Vuelta actually has difficult MTF's

I think if Nibali and JvdB had entered this Vuelta in the same shape and Wiggins too. Nibali and VDB would've beaten Wiggo. Because there are actually difficult MTF's here where climbers can make the difference. All this explosive climbing and guys like Contador and Valverde continously attacking would be the worst possible scenario for a guy like Wiggins.

This TDF however was a best case scenario for Wiggo which he executed perfectly and thus he won.

 

[WindLessBreeze]

montani3semper

Colombia has too many more cyclists who haven't been mentioned. Look at the lower ranks, EPM-UNE...................A guy who could have been on top by now: Rafael*Infantino....................

 

[Von Mises]

Tour is different from Vuelta or Giro. I aree wit El Pistolero that in Tour JVDB would still beat Jrod.

 

[Angliru]

To be fair to Pinot he did a little more than that. He was definitely among the strongest on more than one occasion, not to mention that he won a pretty impressive stage victory.

That said, judging only their climbing abilities, I do think that Quintana is the more talented of the two.

Thibot is at an advantage in that he was riding for himself and not holding anything back and that is not to minimize what he accomplished at the Tour. His ride was fantastic. Quintana is limited in really showing what he's capable of by his domestique duties to Valverde.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Thibot is at an advantage in that he was riding for himself and not holding anything back and that is not to minimize what he accomplished at the Tour. His ride was fantastic. Quintana is limited in really showing what he's capable of by his domestique duties to Valverde.

I completely agree.

 

[Duartista]

This is true, but I think we have to be fair and acknowledge that Pinot's GT debut was overall more impressive, given that (for whatever reason) Quintana struggled for the first two weeks of the Vuelta.

On the Chaves/Pinot/Quintana comparison, I don't think you can predict how much progress they can make based on the looks, but it is fair to say that Chaves has made huge improvements over the last two seasons, whereas Pinot and Quintana already stood out when they were 19-20. So whilst he is not at their level yet, he has made up a lot of ground.

Finally, here is Colombia's worlds selection:

Uran, Henao, Anacona, Quintana, Betancur, Duarte, Rubiano (presumably they have to drop 1)

U-23: Chaves, Chamorro, Seb. Henao, Bohorquez.

http://revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/12880-definida-la-seleccion-colombia-que-estara-en-los-proximos-mundiales-de-ruta-en-holanda.html

 

[Netserk]

This is true, but I think we have to be fair and acknowledge that Pinot's GT debut was overall more impressive, given that (for whatever reason) Quintana struggled for the first two weeks of the Vuelta.

On the Chaves/Pinot/Quintana comparison, I don't think you can predict how much progress they can make based on the looks, but it is fair to say that Chaves has made huge improvements over the last two seasons, whereas Pinot and Quintana already stood out when they were 19-20. So whilst he is not at their level yet, he has made up a lot of ground.

Finally, here is Colombia's worlds selection:

Uran, Henao, Anacona, Quintana, Betancur, Duarte, Rubiano (presumably they have to drop 1)

U-23: Chaves, Chamorro, Seb. Henao, Bohorquez.

http://revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/12880-definida-la-seleccion-colombia-que-estara-en-los-proximos-mundiales-de-ruta-en-holanda.html

A sure victory

 

[Jason_Mercier]

This is true, but I think we have to be fair and acknowledge that Pinot's GT debut was overall more impressive, given that (for whatever reason) Quintana struggled for the first two weeks of the Vuelta.

On the Chaves/Pinot/Quintana comparison, I don't think you can predict how much progress they can make based on the looks, but it is fair to say that Chaves has made huge improvements over the last two seasons, whereas Pinot and Quintana already stood out when they were 19-20. So whilst he is not at their level yet, he has made up a lot of ground.

Finally, here is Colombia's worlds selection:

Uran, Henao, Anacona, Quintana, Betancur, Duarte, Rubiano (presumably they have to drop 1)

U-23: Chaves, Chamorro, Seb. Henao, Bohorquez.

http://revistamundociclistico.com/ruta/12880-definida-la-seleccion-colombia-que-estara-en-los-proximos-mundiales-de-ruta-en-holanda.html

The route suits him nicely.
I think Betancur will be a contender.

 

[profff]

betancur is very strong and if in in form he will be a factor.
also henao and uran coming out from the vuelta could have good legs.
uran does not like limburg roads, while expect henao to do well.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

I think Carlos, Pinot, Ulissi and Moser will do a good race. One or two of them will be the surprise/s

 

[SafeBet]

I think Carlos, Pinot, Ulissi and Moser will do a good race. One or two of them will be the surprise/s

I don't think Ulissi has any chance of being a factor at this level just yet. Plus, I hope he'll be asked to work for others.

I fancy Betancur doin great though.

 

[Jason_Mercier]

I don't think Ulissi has any chance of being a factor at this level just yet. Plus, I hope he'll be asked to work for others.

I fancy Betancur doin great though.

Top10 in FlechaValona, two wins in Coppi e Bartali, shone in San Sebastiàn, win GP Industria after a hard last kilometres with attacks of Felline or Rubiano and beating guys more fast than him like Oss or Rebellin in the miniuphill finish ... I think he's got the level. Also Ulissi is a rider for the big days, he always is a factor. It's my opinion

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Top10 in FlechaValona, two wins in Coppi e Bartali, shone in San Sebastiàn, win GP Industria after a hard last kilometres with attacks of Felline or Rubiano and beating guys more fast than him like Oss or Rebellin in the miniuphill finish ... I think he's got the level. Also Ulissi is a rider for the big days, he always is a factor. It's my opinion

I might be wrong, but didn't Ulissi have a gap in GP Industria? In that case, it wouldn't really be correct to say that he beat Oss, Rebellin etc. in an uphill sprint.

I might be wrong though.