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I remember watching that. It was very impressive. Liggett made the famous comment on that day, that one day he could win the Tour De France, Anderson was also impressed. Not exactly a great field of riders but as as good as it got in Australia at the time, probably. Evans was also a lot lighter and only 20 or 21 at the time. You might find something in YouTube.
TheGreenMonkey said:
I remember watching that. It was very impressive. Liggett made the famous comment on that day, that one day he could win the Tour De France, Anderson was also impressed. Not exactly a great field of riders but as as good as it got in Australia at the time, probably. Evans was also a lot lighter and only 20 or 21 at the time. You might find something in YouTube.
Nice article. A lot of famous Aussie names mentioned re Cadel and Mount Wellington :
http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTca6D4m9Vjg8AGGNPv4lQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByaDNhc2JxBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1433424643/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fbicyclingaustralia.com.au%2fcontent%2f2010%2fshane-goss%2fclimbing-towards-greatest-race-earth/RK=0/RS=NyOVqxqViuD1ZAJKf9fZiISsW3I-
http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTca6D4m9Vjg8AGGNPv4lQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByaDNhc2JxBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=2/RE=1433424643/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fbicyclingaustralia.com.au%2fcontent%2f2010%2fshane-goss%2fclimbing-towards-greatest-race-earth/RK=0/RS=NyOVqxqViuD1ZAJKf9fZiISsW3I-
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NB. the B graders are riding in the same peloton so if he podiums with the A graders in the queen. lemme google this...
Bling Matthews did a gr8 ride in Bright B grade as a 17yo too, I think Bling got a podium on the queen stage/queen ascent.Dear Wiggo said:
NB. the B graders are riding in the same peloton so if he podiums with the A graders in the queen. lemme google this...
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Wade on Cyclingtips has something on this on the googles... cyclingtips.com/2013/11/tour-of-bright-a-legend-two-decades-in-the-making/
and cyclingtips.com/2012/02/a-chat-with-michael-matthews/
and on the proforma state sites of CyclingAustralia. this one NT, but think MM is from ACT no? HaymanRogersbrahs etc
http://www.nt.cycling.bvit.com.au/?Page=17146
Career Highlights
Memorable sporting achievement
Winning 2006 U17 Road Championships after 6 months of training
Winning 2008 Mersey Valley Tour, Tasmania
Winning 2007 B Grade Tour of Bright and KOM
i think Gerro may have been down in that Tour of Tasmania where Evans set that record, before LRP beat it.
What did Dave Sanders say about Gerro, mid 90s he put the feelers out to regional clubs for talents and got back a bunch of jnrs, stuck them on an ergo or VO2, and out popped Cookie and Gerro. Not bad a strike rate innit
quoting urself, a bit like onanism. come on IronDan, gimme a wideberth for the #Wildeandrollery sakes
blackcat said:
Wade on Cyclingtips has something on this on the googles... cyclingtips.com/2013/11/tour-of-bright-a-legend-two-decades-in-the-making/
and cyclingtips.com/2012/02/a-chat-with-michael-matthews/
and on the proforma state sites of CyclingAustralia. this one NT, but think MM is from ACT no? HaymanRogersbrahs etc
http://www.nt.cycling.bvit.com.au/?Page=17146
Career Highlights
Memorable sporting achievement
Winning 2006 U17 Road Championships after 6 months of training
Winning 2008 Mersey Valley Tour, Tasmania
Winning 2007 B Grade Tour of Bright and KOM
i think Gerro may have been down in that Tour of Tasmania where Evans set that record, before LRP beat it.
What did Dave Sanders say about Gerro, mid 90s he put the feelers out to regional clubs for talents and got back a bunch of jnrs, stuck them on an ergo or VO2, and out popped Cookie and Gerro. Not bad a strike rate innit
quoting urself, a bit like onanism. come on IronDan, gimme a wideberth for the #Wildeandrollery sakes
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Wade @CyclingTips- Michael Matthews ever since the 2007 Tour of Bright when a bunch of us A-graders were riding full-gas up Mt Hotham and he passed us like we were standing still. We all thought it was an attack from within A-Grade until we all looked at each other and realised he was wearing a B-Grade number.
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So CN comes out with a tribute to Cadel Evans and his illustrious career? Is this just because he's home-grown and the Aussie CN wants to self-induce retrograde amnesia? Really CN? Just let him go down in the books, don't scrape the scab off and insult us all about how great the 'clean' Cuddles was.
Worked with Sassi, Ferrari and Salzwedel. Bulky like an English fullback but climbed with the best straight through the Dark Era.
CN scraping the barrel.
CN scraping the barrel.
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But whilst I would never state as fact that he's dirty, there is, imho, enough out there for one to have legitimate concerns.
viewtopic.php?t=11154
Imo, in principle, every coach that went through the Dark Era working with top endurance athletes should be questioned.
Sassi even more so for having worked with a couple of known heavy-weight dopers as well as linking up with the Mapei Institute.
No, not naive and no, you didn't miss any scandals.Irondan said:
But whilst I would never state as fact that he's dirty, there is, imho, enough out there for one to have legitimate concerns.
viewtopic.php?t=11154
Imo, in principle, every coach that went through the Dark Era working with top endurance athletes should be questioned.
Sassi even more so for having worked with a couple of known heavy-weight dopers as well as linking up with the Mapei Institute.
well if you're obsessed with training, what better way to go than epo.
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A 6 year old, 1 page thread is enough now for someone to be listed alongside Ferrari and Salzwedel in terms of doping doctors? Seriously?
sniper said:
A 6 year old, 1 page thread is enough now for someone to be listed alongside Ferrari and Salzwedel in terms of doping doctors? Seriously?
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Strawmen? Where?
Irondan asked for evidence and you managed to find a 6 year old, one page thread from this forum, so basically nothing. Yet for some reason this means his name should be listed alongside Ferrari. Why?
sniper said:
Strawmen? Where?
Irondan asked for evidence and you managed to find a 6 year old, one page thread from this forum, so basically nothing. Yet for some reason this means his name should be listed alongside Ferrari. Why?
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And did I say there is evidence?
Cut the strawmen and we may have a discussion, though if it's about Sassi you should probably use the thread linked to above so as not to take this one off topic.
And out of curiosity, what's the relevance of pointing out (twice) that the Sassi thread is 6 years old and one page long?
Did he?King Boonen said:
And did I say there is evidence?
Cut the strawmen and we may have a discussion, though if it's about Sassi you should probably use the thread linked to above so as not to take this one off topic.
And out of curiosity, what's the relevance of pointing out (twice) that the Sassi thread is 6 years old and one page long?
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Literally from Irondan's post:
Literally from your reply:
There are no strawmen, you provided a link to a 6 year old thread and claimed it was enough to have "legitimate concerns". That's pretty much the definition of evidence.
The issue here is crap like this kind of wild speculation clogs up threads and makes them unreadable. This could be a real discussion about the legacy of Cadel Evans and whether he is going to be another Indurain who manages to play it right and slip through the net, but instead we get silly accusations thrown around.
sniper said:
Literally from Irondan's post:
Literally from your reply:
There are no strawmen, you provided a link to a 6 year old thread and claimed it was enough to have "legitimate concerns". That's pretty much the definition of evidence.
If you think a 1 page thread from 6 years ago posted in the clinic is enough to have "legitimate concerns" about someone then there is no point in even discussing doping with you.
The issue here is crap like this kind of wild speculation clogs up threads and makes them unreadable. This could be a real discussion about the legacy of Cadel Evans and whether he is going to be another Indurain who manages to play it right and slip through the net, but instead we get silly accusations thrown around.
The humorous part is that one of the comments from that thread about Sassi is "He's no Ferrari." Another is "I have not heard anything good or bad about the centre except that Sassi is looked at as anti-doping."
So indeed he didn't, and I didn't. Thanks for confirming.
indeed that's clogging the thread.
if i'm concerned, I'm concerned. If you're not, you're not.
if you wanna start a discussion start it already, and stop making it about the poster. TIA.
ouch, you really know how to hurt a man.
more like silly strawmen thrown around (the above quoted being another case in point).
indeed that's clogging the thread.
if i'm concerned, I'm concerned. If you're not, you're not.
if you wanna start a discussion start it already, and stop making it about the poster. TIA.
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That link doesn't really expose anything that I can see other than one poster claiming that Sassi admitted to doping riders when it was supposedly a requirement, and that he was present at Moser's hour record to help administer the blood doping program that Moser was on. No links to back anything up though. I'm going to do a little digging myself to see if I can find any info on these things.
Oh, let's try to play nicely...
Oh, let's try to play nicely...
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Yes he did and yes you did.
Legitimate concerns require evidence otherwise they are not legitimate. You claimed there is enough for legitimate concerns and posted that link. As djpbaltimore points out, one of the tiny number of posts in that thread says he was known to be anti-doping.
Now here is an actual strawman. At no point have I made this about the poster, I have very specifically made it about what you have posted.
sniper said:
Yes he did and yes you did.
Legitimate concerns require evidence otherwise they are not legitimate. You claimed there is enough for legitimate concerns and posted that link. As djpbaltimore points out, one of the tiny number of posts in that thread says he was known to be anti-doping.
Now here is an actual strawman. At no point have I made this about the poster, I have very specifically made it about what you have posted.
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I didn't mean to give the impression that the link "exposes" anything.
You were right that there has been no scandal involving Sassi.
Indeed, there is no substantial evidence against this guy and - IF he dabbled in doping - he's certainly done a good PR job, as he seems to enjoy quite a good reputation also on twitter.
But yes, those bits that you mention, amongst other things, give reason to concerns, at least in my book, maybe not in others'.
Personally I can't read this without raising an eyebrow or two:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sassi-says-he-can-guarantee-his-riders-are-clean/
He says he can guarantee his riders are clean. Does he sleep with them?
He then expands: :
A sophisticated "fly below the radar" program, which wouldn't be all that surprising as it's in line with what we know about (the history of) the Mapei Center.
In fact it's the kind of program you'd expect heavy-earning pros to work with.
There is more in that link, worth a read.
Cheers.Irondan said:
I didn't mean to give the impression that the link "exposes" anything.
You were right that there has been no scandal involving Sassi.
Indeed, there is no substantial evidence against this guy and - IF he dabbled in doping - he's certainly done a good PR job, as he seems to enjoy quite a good reputation also on twitter.
But yes, those bits that you mention, amongst other things, give reason to concerns, at least in my book, maybe not in others'.
Personally I can't read this without raising an eyebrow or two:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sassi-says-he-can-guarantee-his-riders-are-clean/
He says he can guarantee his riders are clean. Does he sleep with them?
He then expands: :
To me that rather suggests he has zero guarantee that they are clean; but he has guarantee that they won't test positive.
A sophisticated "fly below the radar" program, which wouldn't be all that surprising as it's in line with what we know about (the history of) the Mapei Center.
In fact it's the kind of program you'd expect heavy-earning pros to work with.
There is more in that link, worth a read.
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