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[yaco]

Are you kidding? He crushed Ullrich and everyone on

Are you kidding? Pantani literally crushed Ullrich and everyone on the mythic Galibier stage. He won the race single-handed there, along with his valiant defense in the TT. Neutralizing the race only prevented him from gaining more time.

And by the way, he and his DS planned for Pantani to arrive at that Tour undercooked and so recovered from the Giro, to then peak again by the Alpes. They executed the plan perfectly. Of course Ullrich neglected to feed himself enough on the Galibier stage, but that's part of cycling too.

Check your history - I am not referring to the Galibier stage - My post refers to the first week - Stage not neutralised and pantani would have dropped five to ten minutes on that stage.

 

[Extinction]

Check your history - I am not referring to the Galibier stage - My post refers to the first week - Stage not neutralised and pantani would have dropped five to ten minutes on that stage.

No way. What's your case?

 

[bNator]

Ok guys, but you have to admit it’s suspicious how Roglič will only do one stage race before the Giro. I mean it looks like he plans to be as undercooked as possible for the Giro. Why would he want to do that if not for silently hoping he can manage to be able to recover enough to go to TDF and be some kind of factor there? Whether or not he pulls it off is a different question of course - but he’ll never know if he doesn’t try, will he?

 

[Lequack]

He's having too much fun training with his pain free shoulder, why would he risk crashes again.

 

[Andy schleck]

Ok guys, but you have to admit it’s suspicious how Roglič will only do one stage race before the Giro. I mean it looks like he plans to be as undercooked as possible for the Giro. Why would he want to do that if not for silently hoping he can manage to be able to recover enough to go to TDF and be some kind of factor there? Whether or not he pulls it off is a different question of course - but he’ll never know if he doesn’t try, will he?

Roglic doesn't need a lot of races to improve his shape. He works very well with altitude training camps. He will be ready for the giro.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Still. If you have to pick one. He has the best track record among all active riders. So in last four years Rogla had two successful attempts in securing a podium position on two GT's in the same season. One year he only won one GT plus had assisted crash on a second GT. Statistically indeed 2022 was the worse, as he didn't win a GT. Still he ended up participating in two. At the Tour cracked Pogi working with Jonas after an assisted crash prevented him to achieve more. Then went to Vuelta and managed to be the only rider that cracked Evenpoel climbing. Assisted crash preventing him to achieve more. So this narrative on how it was ages ago. When Rogla was a factor on two GT's per year. It just doesn't add up. And Horner sees that. It would be hard not to. In such plain sight.

I do agree Giro-Tour double to be the hardest double on paper. And i feel that chances are currently very low. So first doing Catalunya and then Giro. After we'll see on what makes the most sense. my suggestion to JV would be to provide him a good team for Giro. Not just on paper. If they want him at the Tour. The rest is indeed on Roglič.

But like I said. He is older and coming back from injury while being up against some very strong riders. Roglic is on the strongest team but for one of the races he would not be a leader. His best bet if he tried would be like how 2020 went with the team controlling everything. Only problem is there’s Evenepoel, Pogacar, and Vingegaard as the main competitors with an improving secondary set. On top of all that he is doing the far harder double. Odds are not in his favor at all.

 

[Oldermanish]

But like I said. He is older and coming back from injury while being up against some very strong riders. Roglic is on the strongest team but for one of the races he would not be a leader. His best bet if he tried would be like how 2020 went with the team controlling everything. Only problem is there’s Evenepoel, Pogacar, and Vingegaard as the main competitors with an improving secondary set. On top of all that he is doing the far harder double. Odds are not in his favor at all.

The competition he faces on JV and outwardly would make your case, healthy or not. The next tier of riders are the wild card that make enough mischief in GTs to upset things, too. But, and I say this from love; he should try to do whatever he can to win the races that are important to him. I'd rope-a-dope my way into the Tour if I was him and do my best to win or wreck everyone's 3 weeks. If he doesn't suffer undo mishaps I still think he can beat any of them.
Not for two GTs, though.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

I think we saw the strongest Primoz in the last week of the last Vuelta he won. After seeing that, I was sure - if he went on to improve - he could beat Pogacar.

But it came differently, sadly. Crashes, his back of the knee in Basque Country, shoulder troubles.

Now fingers crossed he stays on his bike in Catalunya.

Long way to the victory in Giro GC. And I still hope for his TdF 2023 participation…

 

[Elos Anjos]

Had he not crashed several times, Roglic would already by even more legendary and would have gathered more UCI points in a very short time span than some world class riders fathom in a whole career:

• Giro 2019
• Criterium du Dauphiné 2020
• Paris Nice 2021
• Tour de France 2021 (at least a podium)
• Tour 2022 (at least a podim)
• Vuelta 2022 (at least a podium)

 

[CyclistAbi]

But like I said. He is older and coming back from injury while being up against some very strong riders. Roglic is on the strongest team but for one of the races he would not be a leader. His best bet if he tried would be like how 2020 went with the team controlling everything. Only problem is there’s Evenepoel, Pogacar, and Vingegaard as the main competitors with an improving secondary set. On top of all that he is doing the far harder double. Odds are not in his favor at all.

In his last four season he won three GTs, finished one second and one third. He DNF three times. Due to assisted crash. And in the three GTs he didn't finish it's safe to assume he would at minimum be a podium contender.

Nobody in current pro road peloton comes remotely close to that. Roglič is the only cyclist in pro peloton with vast amount of experience and results. When we are talking about GT double. If anybody is to be singled out, as being suitable for such attempt, currently he is it. For him this would be natural step forward. Crazy to imagine something like that i know. But the facts are rather clear.

As for being confronted with strong riders. At Giro that will be Evenepoel. At Tour, if he participates this year, that won't necessarily be Pogačar and Vingegaard. It would more likely be JV vs Pogačar all over again.

But lets first see what happens at PN. After Catalunya. Then Giro. Outcome of this races will likely determine if the next one in the line is Tour or Vuelta for Roglič in the 2023 season.

 

[Divergence]

Many people are writing that Rogla is getting old and some are suggesting his best days are already behind him. I do not believe this to be the case. Maybe around 38ish one starts to drop off, but at 33 he is still in his prime. Another factor is the motivation. I believe he is still quite motivated to train and to win. And usually the motivation is the first thing to disappear for many cyclists (rather than inability due to age).
But, let us see how he fares at Catalunya. If he does well, the Giro - Tour double is on the cards.

 

[tobydawq]

Many people are writing that Rogla is getting old and some are suggesting his best days are already behind him. I do not believe this to be the case. Maybe around 38ish one starts to drop off, but at 33 he is still in his prime. Another factor is the motivation. I believe he is still quite motivated to train and to win. And usually the motivation is the first thing to disappear for many cyclists (rather than inability due to age).
But, let us see how he fares at Catalunya. If he does well, the Giro - Tour double is on the cards.

I hope you're right about Roglic specifically but it's definitely not true that a drop-off generally only happens at 38.

 

[CyclistAbi]

At some point age will become a factor. But people claiming Roglič is already too old. No data really suggests or backs their claims. Hence for now such claims are utter BS.

 

[SHAD0W93]

In his last four season he won three GTs, finished one second and one third. He DNF three times. Due to assisted crash. And in the three GTs he didn't finish it's safe to assume he would at minimum be a podium contender.

Nobody in current pro road peloton comes remotely close to that. Roglič is the only cyclist in pro peloton with vast amount of experience and results. When we are talking about GT double. If anybody is to be singled out, as being suitable for such attempt, currently he is it. For him this would be natural step forward. Crazy to imagine something like that i know. But the facts are rather clear.

As for being confronted with strong riders. At Giro that will be Evenepoel. At Tour, if he participates this year, that won't necessarily be Pogačar and Vingegaard. It would more likely be JV vs Pogačar all over again.

But lets first see what happens at PN. After Catalunya. Then Giro. Outcome of this races will likely determine if the next one in the line is Tour or Vuelta for Roglič in the 2023 season.

Yes, and we’ve seen the last 3 GT dominators get weaker the further they get into their 30s and they didn’t have to repeatedly come back from injury. While Roglic is normally above the second group of GC riders they have been getting better, the Giro-Tour double is a far harder double that takes a lot out if you, while his main competitors are either at or above his level, and he’s returning from another injury. That doesn’t paint any positives for a Giro-Tour double. You’re right, the facts are clear but seem to be hidden for some, like many things they debate.


Do I hope he can be successful and pull it off, yes as he’d deserve it from past heartaches. But it’s not logical for multiple reasons while the Giro-Vuelta would be an easier route.

 

[Nick2413]

Yes, and we’ve seen the last 3 GT dominators get weaker the further they get into their 30s and they didn’t have to repeatedly come back from injury. While Roglic is normally above the second group of GC riders they have been getting better, the Giro-Tour double is a far harder double that takes a lot out if you, while his main competitors are either at or above his level, and he’s returning from another injury. That doesn’t paint any positives for a Giro-Tour double. You’re right, the facts are clear but seem to be hidden for some, like many things they debate.

It’s not certain that Roglic is going to start declining immediately in his early 30s and I wouldn’t say the data shows he’s shown much of a decline yet. But I am in the boat that 30 is the new 40 in cycling and age of domination is only going to get younger and younger, and he is probably at the tail end of his peak years. As for any sort of double, I suppose a Giro Vuelta would be possible in a perfect season but no way the double would involve the Tour.

 

[SHAD0W93]

It’s not certain that Roglic is going to start declining immediately in his early 30s and I wouldn’t say the data shows he’s shown much of a decline yet. But I am in the boat that 30 is the new 40 in cycling and age of domination is only going to get younger and younger, and he is probably at the tail end of his peak years. As for any sort of double, I suppose a Giro Vuelta would be possible in a perfect season but no way the double would involve the Tour.

The biggest concern m, at least for me, is the age with repeated injuries. Without the injury history I’d have a lot more faith but it’s harder to keep coming back to your best the older we get. I also agree, Giro-Vuelta is a far better scenario this season. Let’s say he wins one or both, he could theoretically change teams and get full support for the Tour next year with perfect buildup and not having to be second fiddle to Vingegaard unless Vinge massively collapses.

 

[Oldermanish]

The biggest concern m, at least for me, is the age with repeated injuries. Without the injury history I’d have a lot more faith but it’s harder to keep coming back to your best the older we get. I also agree, Giro-Vuelta is a far better scenario this season. Let’s say he wins one or both, he could theoretically change teams and get full support for the Tour next year with perfect buildup and not having to be second fiddle to Vingegaard unless Vinge massively collapses.

Here's the thing for JV: if Roglic is in shape after the Giro and the race is contained to where he and Vingo get to Stage 16 it'll be an entertaining answer to your question. That, assuming of course that Tadej doesn't find a way to smoke them before or during that TT.
We should be betting fantasy money on something that improbable for fun.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Here's the thing for JV: if Roglic is in shape after the Giro and the race is contained to where he and Vingo get to Stage 16 it'll be an entertaining answer to your question. That, assuming of course that Tadej doesn't find a way to smoke them before or during that TT.
We should be betting fantasy money on something that improbable for fun.

Yeah if he and Vinge are within 1 min of Pogacar it will be crazy. I think if Roglic goes he should attack from far again and I said Pogacar shouldn’t follow to see what Vinge does. If his form is great, it will be an interesting Giro and Tour.
Hopefully, I don’t want to be disappointed with from pre hype.

 

[pablohidalgo7]

Roglic in Tirreno, didn´t see that coming

 

[tobydawq]

Roglic in Tirreno, didn´t see that coming

Looool, they have been yanking our chains

Great to see!

 

[bNator]

Roglic in Tirreno, didn´t see that coming

I still don't what's the source?

 

[Red Rick]

Van Aert x Roglic

The band is back baby.

 

[Red Rick]

I still don't what's the source?

There's a statement from Jumbo themselves

Verrassend: Primoz Roglic start met Jumbo-Visma in Tirreno-Adriatico

Primož Roglič maakt eerder dan gedacht zijn rentree in het peloton. De Sloveense kopman van Jumbo-Visma maakt namelijk zijn seizoensdebuut al in Tirreno-Adriatico. “Hij start zonder druk en zonder resultaten in zijn achterhoofd”, vertelt sportief directeur Merijn Zeeman over de selectie van...

www.wielerflits.nl

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So now it's pretty clear that Pogi wanted to avoid Rogla and chose PN.

 

[Netserk]

When did Jumbo ever lie about a schedule?

Rogla in Tirreno counts?