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[bNator]

Okay, but I'm quite sure they hadn't gone away in week 3. I have seen him say that the podium in the Giro was the result he was the most proud of of all his results because he had been so sick yet somehow had fought through.

Yes, I agree he must have been very sick that Giro. Heathy Roglič in 2019 should have no problems at least following Nibali, Landa and Carapaz. But he was dropped frequently. Almost every mountain...

Now I was trying to think which stage he was dropped the most while being healthy and unijured. I think we're getting more into 30 seconds territory. 2020 Angliru & Alto de Covatilla, etc... Ok 1:30 if we count 2022 Vuelta...

 

[tobydawq]

Yes, I agree he must have been very sick that Giro. Heathy Roglič in 2019 should have no problems at least following Nibali, Landa and Carapaz. But he was dropped frequently. Almost every mountain...

Now I was trying to think which stage he was dropped the most while being healthy and unijured. I think we're getting more into 30 seconds territory. 2020 Angliru & Alto de Covatilla, etc... Ok 1:30 if we count 2022 Vuelta...

2020 Planche des Belles Filles?

 

[bNator]

I came across an interesting article in Slovenian media.

Športni direktor Jumbo-Visme o morebitnem Rogličevem odhodu

V zadnjem obdobju se ime Primoža Rogliča v javnosti in medijih veliko pojavlja v povezavi z morebitnim odhodom v drugo ekipo, pa čeprav ga pogodba na Jumbo-Vismo veže še prihodnji dve leti. Športni direktor moštva Merijn Zeeman je spregovoril tudi o tem, kaj bi bilo najboljše za slovenskega...

siol.net

Disclaimer: This is not a very trust-worthy source, so keep that in mind. But still, there are two rather interesting takeaways:

Zaradi vseh dogodkov so se začele širiti govorice, da so se odnosi ohladili in da je mogoč tudi odhod, čeprav ima Primož z Jumbo-Vismo sklenjeno še dveletno pogodbo.
"Po pravici povedano zaradi tega nisem pretirano zaskrbljen. Poleg tega nenehno razvijamo nadarjene kolesarje. Primož je z nami zrasel v nespornega vodjo ekipe," je Zeeman odgovoril na to temo.

which translates into (Chat GPT translation):
Due to all the events, rumors have started to spread that relations have cooled down and that a departure is possible, even though Primož has a two-year contract with Jumbo-Visma.
"To be honest, I'm not overly concerned about this. Besides, we are constantly developing talented cyclists. Primož has grown with us into an unquestionable team leader," Zeeman replied on this topic.

Now even in original it's impossible to be 100% certain if he's not concerned because it's not gonna happen or because they don't need him anyway...


And then, Zeeman says:
"Verjamem, da je za Primoža najboljše, da poskuša doseči zmago na Touru v dresu Jumbo-Visme. Če bi odšel, bi se potencialno moral spoprijeti z tekmecema, kot sta Vingegaard in Kuss. Biti moštveni kolega tako močnih kolesarjev je boljše izhodišče kot tekmovati proti njim."
which translates to: "I believe that it's best for Primož to try to win the Tour while wearing the Jumbo-Visma jersey. If he were to leave, he would potentially have to contend with competitors like Vingegaard and Kuss. Being teammates with such strong cyclists is a better starting point than competing against them."

Now this one takes the cake for me. After Roglic and Vinge clearly gifted a win to Kuss, they are actually really going to present him as a big threat to Rogla in the media? Mind-blowing...

I choose to interpret these Zeeman's statements as more or less a confirmation that Roglic is in fact leaving.

 

[bNator]

2020 Planche des Belles Filles?

Yeah, obvisouly that's his biggest defeat. But I dont't think TTs really tell that much about ones ability to hang on to Vingegaard in the climbs better than Pog, which I believe was initial discussion...

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1704893198756176343

View: https://twitter.com/SpoelJo/status/1704893198756176343

 

[acm]

I came across an interesting article in Slovenian media.

Športni direktor Jumbo-Visme o morebitnem Rogličevem odhodu

V zadnjem obdobju se ime Primoža Rogliča v javnosti in medijih veliko pojavlja v povezavi z morebitnim odhodom v drugo ekipo, pa čeprav ga pogodba na Jumbo-Vismo veže še prihodnji dve leti. Športni direktor moštva Merijn Zeeman je spregovoril tudi o tem, kaj bi bilo najboljše za slovenskega...

siol.net

Disclaimer: This is not a very trust-worthy source, so keep that in mind. But still, there are two rather interesting takeaways:

Zaradi vseh dogodkov so se začele širiti govorice, da so se odnosi ohladili in da je mogoč tudi odhod, čeprav ima Primož z Jumbo-Vismo sklenjeno še dveletno pogodbo.
"Po pravici povedano zaradi tega nisem pretirano zaskrbljen. Poleg tega nenehno razvijamo nadarjene kolesarje. Primož je z nami zrasel v nespornega vodjo ekipe," je Zeeman odgovoril na to temo.

which translates into (Chat GPT translation):
Due to all the events, rumors have started to spread that relations have cooled down and that a departure is possible, even though Primož has a two-year contract with Jumbo-Visma.
"To be honest, I'm not overly concerned about this. Besides, we are constantly developing talented cyclists. Primož has grown with us into an unquestionable team leader," Zeeman replied on this topic.

Now even in original it's impossible to be 100% certain if he's not concerned because it's not gonna happen or because they don't need him anyway...


And then, Zeeman says:
"Verjamem, da je za Primoža najboljše, da poskuša doseči zmago na Touru v dresu Jumbo-Visme. Če bi odšel, bi se potencialno moral spoprijeti z tekmecema, kot sta Vingegaard in Kuss. Biti moštveni kolega tako močnih kolesarjev je boljše izhodišče kot tekmovati proti njim."
which translates to: "I believe that it's best for Primož to try to win the Tour while wearing the Jumbo-Visma jersey. If he were to leave, he would potentially have to contend with competitors like Vingegaard and Kuss. Being teammates with such strong cyclists is a better starting point than competing against them."

Now this one takes the cake for me. After Roglic and Vinge clearly gifted a win to Kuss, they are actually really going to present him as a big threat to Rogla in the media? Mind-blowing...

I choose to interpret these Zeeman's statements as more or less a confirmation that Roglic is in fact leaving.

https://www.indeleiderstrui.nl/wiel...te-denken-dat-er-nooit-iets-voorvalt?twit=415

Here is the original article.

 

[Rackham]

My takeaway from Zeeman's comments is the decision to stay at Jumbo or leave remains Rog's. So the contract situation is (at least based on how I interpret all the recent interviews) of secondary importance.

What really matters is whether Rog wants to stay & whether he finds a suitable team for a proper TdF challenge next year. Jumbo's stance seems to be "why would he want to leave? we're the best team", not "he can't leave, he's under contract".

Maybe it will be the start of the Great Slovenian Conspiracy

Just wait until Pog & Rog start chatting in Slovene whilst going up a col in next year's TdF.

Vinge will get that Daenerys Targaryen mad queen look on his face when he suspects treachery is afoot.

 

[Red Rick]

My takeaway from Zeeman's comments is the decision to stay at Jumbo or leave remains Rog's. So the contract situation is (at least based on how I interpret all the recent interviews) of secondary importance.

What really matters is whether Rog wants to stay & whether he finds a suitable team for a proper TdF challenge next year. Jumbo's stance seems to be "why would he want to leave? we're the best team", not "he can't leave, he's under contract".



Just wait until Pog & Rog start chatting in Slovene whilst going up a col in next year's TdF.

Vinge will get that Daenerys Targaryen mad queen look on his face when he suspects treachery is afoot.

Plugge was really big on not letting him go

 

[Rackham]

Plugge is really big on the emotive comments, like saying choosing between Kuss, Vinge & Rog for the Vuelta GC win was like "choosing between his children".

To be fair I see no problem with Plugge. But the people beneath him at Jumbo... I don't know. Someone in the car made the call on stage 16 which screwed Rog, someone was also responsible for the entire mood in the camp going haywire before (presumably) Zeeman & Plugge stepped in after the Angliru.

 

[bNator]

Plugge was really big on not letting him go

If they were to let him go I’m sure, they would want to get as much for him as possible. One way to achieve that is to keep saying they won’t let him go…

And he did say it was hard not impossible. Hard means that more money may make them forget how hard it was😁

 

[bNator]

Long contract is a evaluation of two risks:
1. Risk for TJV: Rogla getting worse over time and they still need to pay him the big bucks.
2. Risk for Rogla: TJV no longer offers him what he needs.

Now we are at the point where risk for TJV did not meaterialize and risk for Rogla maybe did. The gamble paid of for TJV and they will want to be rewarded for that…

 

[CyclistAbi]

With both Rogla and Jonas at the Tour it's rather obvious JV will push Jonas ahead. Now it's up to Rogla to decide. If he wants to beat them, doing that, while in the same team or within a different team. For Rogla i would say it's rather clear that he wants full team support when going for the Tour title. And a team he will ride for will give him that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Before returning to Italy Rogla is doing Zlati krog on Sunday. One can always drop him there.

 

[Rackham]

Some transfer talk (he was interviewed at his charity ride earlier today):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1705956234057089377

View: https://twitter.com/IgorTominec/status/1705956234057089377


Via the translate feature:

"There are no 100% plans for next week, let alone for next season. It would be incorrect for me to comment on anything at the moment. But it's fine as long as the teams are interested in me."

"The Tour de France is definitely a wish for next year. It's no secret that I want to win the things that I lack. But basically, there is too much talk only about victories. My wish is actually to show the best that I can do."

 

[Rackham]

Man, if the Jumbo-Quick Step merger talk this evening is real, I feel I might need to light a proverbial candle for Rog's soon-to-be-former Jumbo Visma career.

There's no way they'll want him to stay with that sort of set-up.

 

[ManicJack]

Man, if the Jumbo-Quick Step merger talk this evening is real,

?????

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Man, if the Jumbo-Quick Step merger talk this evening is real, I feel I might need to light a proverbial candle for Rog's soon-to-be-former Jumbo Visma career.

There's no way they'll want him to stay with that sort of set-up.

I would like Pog, Rog & Vingo to be in different teams for the Tour next year. No team games, no 2 vs 1, just a battle between 3 sides.

 

[Rackham]

?????

It's in the news: https://forum.cyclingnews.com/threads/jumbo-quickstep-merger.39263/#post-2923436

I would like Pog, Rog & Vingo to be in different teams for the Tour next year. No team games, no 2 vs 1, just a battle between 3 sides.

Indeed.

I want Roglič to be on a team that respects him & supports him in his objectives, win or lose. Turning the best riders into super doms is bad for the race.

I mean Sepp Kuss could arguably be a leader of a top team now, although I'm not certain he wants that responsibility.

 

[Rackham]

No wonder Rogla said in his interview in Slovenia today he doesn't even have 100% plans for next week. I mean he could conceivably be on the dole, aka queuing at a soup kitchen with the rest of the unemployed.

I'm joking of course but I wonder what the riders are thinking about all this (& what it does to their contractual situation).

 

[Tim Cahill]

Movistar also after Roglic apparently.

Rog x Nairoman Tour 2024

 

[acm]

At this point I really want to see him in UAE. Rog and Pog against the world.

 

[acm]

Movistar also after Roglic apparently.

Rog x Nairoman Tour 2024

And Bahrain and Jayco.

 

[Rackham]

At this point I really want to see him in UAE. Rog and Pog against the world.

I was thinking something similar. I mean if the cycling world has gone completely crazy, why not fight fire with fire? He knows some of the guys at UAE as well, like Andrej Hauptman (who was Slovenia coach in the 2021 Olympics).

I mean if this merger sees a termination of his contract, then anything is possible (& any destination).

 

[Blanco]

He sounds like he's very close to leaving the team...
I would like to see him in Movistar, they have a team for GT's, but they're lacking a true leader (Mas is not that caliber, unfortunatelly).

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I think it would be hard for Movistar to get him good enough support. If that transfer happens I expect Mas to go to Giro + Vuelta next year, I think he still first and foremost have ambitions for himself.

Movistar would need to add one or two quality climbers. If Roglic can come to the Tour with Quintana (there’s been rumours), another strong climber (but who??), Tratnik (I guess he could follow), Guerreiro, Lazkano, Muhlberger and one more strong roleur it could be interesting.