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[Carols]

Yes indeed, objective. Especially compared to the many subjective reactions (from Roglic fans?). Roglic has had years to win the Tour. Setbacks (illness, crashes) of opponents are hardly taken into account. But if Roglic does not win a grand tour, it is always the fault of less than ideal preparation. Stay serious for a moment. Hopefully there won't be any hindrance for Roglic for the next Tour, so we can see that he will be clearly defeated then too.

Go troll somewhere else

 

[Rob5091]

So it's all for the Tour? Well what a surprise!

 

[SHAD0W93]

I can't believe how Remco's fans or Roglic hate is so sour even after six months. You guys need some therapy on how resentful you are.

To be fair, if the seasons for Evenepoel and Roglic were reversed there’d be the same discussion going on between the two groups.


In regards to Roglic’s schedule I wonder if he’ll start off slow and build up to CDD and Tour form or come out swinging. I think he’ll have to surpass the level he showed at the Vuelta if Vinge is the same or better than this years Tour. Just hope no one gets hurt.

Then for TdS next year, it’s not guaranteed that he wins next year but I think we can all agree he’d trade winning TdS this year for TdF.

 

[Elos Anjos]

To be fair, if the seasons for Evenepoel and Roglic were reversed there’d be the same discussion going on between the two groups.


In regards to Roglic’s schedule I wonder if he’ll start off slow and build up to CDD and Tour form or come out swinging. I think he’ll have to surpass the level he showed at the Vuelta if Vinge is the same or better than this years Tour. Just hope no one gets hurt.

Then for TdS next year, it’s not guaranteed that he wins next year but I think we can all agree he’d trade winning TdS this year for TdF.

Roglic has proved time and again that at the moment he's a better stage racer than Remco. His palmares says so despite all the nasty crashes that prevented around four podiums.

I concede that under certain TT conditions and one day races specially fitted to his skils, Remco is a powerhouse, perhaps with noone above him. The problem is on how newcomers and fans to the sport overjudge some qualities to be proof of a destiny in GTs or one week stage races.

As for the Roglic's season, I hope above all that no one crashes and that we get to see the beasts going against each other.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

To be fair, if the seasons for Evenepoel and Roglic were reversed there’d be the same discussion going on between the two groups.


In regards to Roglic’s schedule I wonder if he’ll start off slow and build up to CDD and Tour form or come out swinging. I think he’ll have to surpass the level he showed at the Vuelta if Vinge is the same or better than this years Tour. Just hope no one gets hurt.

Then for TdS next year, it’s not guaranteed that he wins next year but I think we can all agree he’d trade winning TdS this year for TdF.

Rogla is always in form from a get go. Both he and Pog are fast starters, they dont need races to hit a good form. I am sure he will be a contender in all stage races but they will surely try to build the peak of all peaks for July.

 

[Salvarani]

Bora has many riders that can do well at Fleche and LBL, despite Roglic or not, so it makes sense to give those riders the chance there.

They will have a good team for those races with or without Roglic.

He has also won LBL, so he doesnt "need" to win it. It is the Tour he wants, so it is what he should go all in to win.

 

[Peter von]

Bora has has many riders that can do well at Fleche and LBL, despite Roglic or not, so it makes sense to give those riders the chance there.

They will have a good team for those races with or without Roglic.

He has also won LBL, so he doesnt "need" to win it. It is the Tour he wants, so it is what he should go all in to win.

yeah true. There are some discussions that maybe it's best to do like Vingegaard and take a break from racing before the start of the Ardennes or in general keeping a focus on stage races will make you better at stage racing.

 

[Berniece]

The problem is on how newcomers and fans to the sport overjudge some qualities to be proof of a destiny in GTs or one week stage races.

I don't understand why you would say such a thing after having watched Volta a Catalunya last year. They were basically at the same level, Roglic won due to the arrogance of Remco.

GT's? Remco won a Vuelta...

 

[shadowrider]

Again no substantive answer. Writing about trolls and attacking others personally. What a level !

 

[shadowrider]

Classic, Monument, workds vs Giro.
Rogla didn't even contest them

Of course. That's why you can't compare Roglic with Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert, VDP. Just like Vingegaard, he only rides stage races these days. And in the (far) past sometimes one or two big one-day matches. He will do the same (no one-day races) the upcoming season. As a result, he is always much fresher in a GT than riders such as Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert and VDP. Nevertheless, his 2023 level was not great during the Giro (covid Evenepoel and winning only with seconds from the old Thomas) and Vuelta (third).

 

[acm]

I don't understand why you would say such a thing after having watched Volta a Catalunya last year. They were basically at the same level, Roglic won due to the arrogance of Remco.

GT's? Remco won a Vuelta...

Roglič won Catalunya due to the arrogance of Remco. Roglič won Giro because Remco had covid. Man, we're living in a Remco world!

 

[acm]

Again no substantive answer. Writing about trolls and attacking others personally. What a level !

Talking about level hahaha

 

[Gargamel35]

Roglič won Catalunya due to the arrogance of Remco. Roglič won Giro because Remco had covid. Man, we're living in a Remco world!

Not to mention Vinge won Tour only because Remco wasn't there!

 

[AmRacer]

Of course. That's why you can't compare Roglic with Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert, VDP. Just like Vingegaard, he only rides stage races these days. And in the (far) past sometimes one or two big one-day matches. He will do the same (no one-day races) the upcoming season. As a result, he is always much fresher in a GT than riders such as Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert and VDP. Nevertheless, his 2023 level was not great during the Giro (covid Evenepoel and winning only with seconds from the old Thomas) and Vuelta (third).

Remco hasn't finished ahead of Rogla, Teddy, Vinge and Thomas in a GT GC.
MvDP and WvA aren't GC riders.

 

[kn0s]

Of course. That's why you can't compare Roglic with Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert, VDP. Just like Vingegaard, he only rides stage races these days. And in the (far) past sometimes one or two big one-day matches. He will do the same (no one-day races) the upcoming season. As a result, he is always much fresher in a GT than riders such as Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert and VDP. Nevertheless, his 2023 level was not great during the Giro (covid Evenepoel and winning only with seconds from the old Thomas) and Vuelta (third).

So Roglic didn't do any one day races in 23? I must be getting old.

 

[Berniece]

Roglič won Catalunya due to the arrogance of Remco. Roglič won Giro because Remco had covid. Man, we're living in a Remco world!

Do you even remember how Catalunya? Both riders barely were able to make a dent into each other, and it was a seconds game for the win.

Stage 1
Roglic won, Evenepoel 2nd, while Evenepoel rode the fastest sprint and came from far back.

Stage 2
Evenepoel attacked multiple times, wasn't able to drop Roglic and Ciccone. Evenepoel kept pulling those two up the mountain, no one helping, to eventually see Ciccone win, Roglic 2nd.
I would already call this dumb and arrogant of Evenepoel

Stage 3
Evenepoel attacked but wasn't able to drop Roglic, but everyone else was behind. Eventually in the last hundreds of meters Evenepoel was able to drop Roglic, and started cheering 20-30m before finish costing him multiple seconds.
I call this dumb and arrogant again.

Stage 4
Bunch sprint

Stage 5
Remco starts with attacking, but eventually Roglic finally does the same too. Stopped sitting in the wheel and tried to drop Remco, failed. Then at 300m before the finish Evenepoel already launches his sprint, he's already fading after 150m while Roglic was happy with someone being his leadout. In the last 50m, Roglic stomps on Evenepoel, and takes 5-6s.
It isn't the first time that Evenepoel overestimated himself in the last hundreds of meters of a mountain finish. Started way too soon, and collapsed very quickly. Arrogant of him.

Stage 6
Small bunch sprint

Stage 7
Evenepoel kept trying to drop Roglic, but wasn't able to. Remco eventually won the sprint, but Roglic didn't put much effort in it since he already won the tour by 6s.

So yeah overall I would say that Roglic won Catalunya due to being more mature, and Remco being arrogant overestimating his own abilities. Remco could've won this by purely sprinting to the finish in stage 3, and waiting a bit longer on stage 5.

 

[Gargamel35]

Do you even remember how Catalunya? Both riders barely were able to make a dent into each other, and it was a seconds game for the win.

Stage 1
Roglic won, Evenepoel 2nd, while Evenepoel rode the fastest sprint and came from far back.

Stage 2
Evenepoel attacked multiple times, wasn't able to drop Roglic and Ciccone. Evenepoel kept pulling those two up the mountain, no one helping, to eventually see Ciccone win, Roglic 2nd.
I would already call this dumb and arrogant of Evenepoel

Stage 3
Evenepoel attacked but wasn't able to drop Roglic, but everyone else was behind. Eventually in the last hundreds of meters Evenepoel was able to drop Roglic, and started cheering 20-30m before finish costing him multiple seconds.
I call this dumb and arrogant again.

Stage 4
Bunch sprint

Stage 5
Remco starts with attacking, but eventually Roglic finally does the same too. Stopped sitting in the wheel and tried to drop Remco, failed. Then at 300m before the finish Evenepoel already launches his sprint, he's already fading after 150m while Roglic was happy with someone being his leadout. In the last 50m, Roglic stomps on Evenepoel, and takes 5-6s.
It isn't the first time that Evenepoel overestimated himself in the last hundreds of meters of a mountain finish. Started way too soon, and collapsed very quickly. Arrogant of him.

Stage 6
Small bunch sprint

Stage 7
Evenepoel kept trying to drop Roglic, but wasn't able to. Remco eventually won the sprint, but Roglic didn't put much effort in it since he already won the tour by 6s.

So yeah overall I would say that Roglic won Catalunya due to being more mature, and Remco being arrogant overestimating his own abilities. Remco could've won this by purely sprinting to the finish in stage 3, and waiting a bit longer on stage 5.

So Remco lost?

 

[Rackham]

Do you even remember how Catalunya? Both riders barely were able to make a dent into each other, and it was a seconds game for the win.

Stage 1
Roglic won, Evenepoel 2nd, while Evenepoel rode the fastest sprint and came from far back.

Stage 2
Evenepoel attacked multiple times, wasn't able to drop Roglic and Ciccone. Evenepoel kept pulling those two up the mountain, no one helping, to eventually see Ciccone win, Roglic 2nd.
I would already call this dumb and arrogant of Evenepoel

Stage 3
Evenepoel attacked but wasn't able to drop Roglic, but everyone else was behind. Eventually in the last hundreds of meters Evenepoel was able to drop Roglic, and started cheering 20-30m before finish costing him multiple seconds.
I call this dumb and arrogant again.

Stage 4
Bunch sprint

Stage 5
Remco starts with attacking, but eventually Roglic finally does the same too. Stopped sitting in the wheel and tried to drop Remco, failed. Then at 300m before the finish Evenepoel already launches his sprint, he's already fading after 150m while Roglic was happy with someone being his leadout. In the last 50m, Roglic stomps on Evenepoel, and takes 5-6s.
It isn't the first time that Evenepoel overestimated himself in the last hundreds of meters of a mountain finish. Started way too soon, and collapsed very quickly. Arrogant of him.

Stage 6
Small bunch sprint

Stage 7
Evenepoel kept trying to drop Roglic, but wasn't able to. Remco eventually won the sprint, but Roglic didn't put much effort in it since he already won the tour by 6s.

So yeah overall I would say that Roglic won Catalunya due to being more mature, and Remco being arrogant overestimating his own abilities. Remco could've won this by purely sprinting to the finish in stage 3, and waiting a bit longer on stage 5.

Lo Port didn't happen the way you describe it, i.e. Rog baited Evenepoel with a couple of dummy attacks. He wanted him to launch too early:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTXVx3MELn8


Rog's only real attack was the final counter up to the line.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Both riders barely were able to make a dent into each other, and it was a seconds game for the win.

Classy Rogla.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Not to mention Vinge won Tour only because Remco wasn't there!

Absolutely. Skeletor won only because Fatco wasnt there. He would've crushed everyone on stage 16 TT and comfortably sticked to the Dane's wheel during mountain stages.

 

[Berniece]

Lo Port didn't happen the way you describe it, i.e. Rog baited Evenepoel with a couple of dummy attacks. He wanted him to launch too early:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTXVx3MELn8


Rog's only real attack was the final counter up to the line.

Indeed, I could've extended on that. Later on I state the Roglic was the more mature rider, and Remco overestimates himself. Which Roglic knows of course, he's quite the intelligent rider. My whole point was that Roglic won Catalunya because Remco overestimated himself, and Roglic handled this perfectly so he deserved the win.

This whole breakdown came due to Elos Anjos saying that Remco was only good at stage races and GT's thanks to TT kilometers, and I wanted to make clear that Catalunya of last year tells us this isn't the case. He can do 1-week stage races with the best of them.

 

[CyclistAbi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4meYPCeHg8

Had to check if Rogla did any racing in the 2023 season. Looks like he did just that!

 

[bNator]

Again no substantive answer. Writing about trolls and attacking others personally. What a level !

Have you ever considered that all these forum members accusing you of being a troll just might be onto something? Maybe it’s your level that’s problematic rather than everybody else’s?

 

[Froome]

Classy Rogla.

Classy/vintage Rogla wheelsucking, Remco was naive 😂

 

[Froome]

Of course. That's why you can't compare Roglic with Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert, VDP. Just like Vingegaard, he only rides stage races these days. And in the (far) past sometimes one or two big one-day matches. He will do the same (no one-day races) the upcoming season. As a result, he is always much fresher in a GT than riders such as Pogacar, Evenepoel, Van Aert and VDP. Nevertheless, his 2023 level was not great during the Giro (covid Evenepoel and winning only with seconds from the old Thomas) and Vuelta (third).

I don't agree that pogacar or Remco doesn't start the GT races so fresh because of the one day races. Normally they always a light calendar, and some one day races are almost a training until the last 20 km, like milan san remo.