- Apr 13, 2021
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- Aug 13, 2011
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- Mar 15, 2022
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Great interview with Marc Lamberts, coach of Rogla and Wout.
"The most emotional moment is the climbing time trial of the Giro. Primoz came back after a difficult period following his fall in the 2022 Vuelta and his shoulder surgery in the winter. During the Giro he fell again. We were able to keep the consequences quiet, but for a week he felt pain with every pedal step. I no longer expected him to win the Giro."
https://www.knack.be/sport/wielrenn...-van-wout-een-glas-champagne-blijven-drinken/
"The most emotional moment is the climbing time trial of the Giro. Primoz came back after a difficult period following his fall in the 2022 Vuelta and his shoulder surgery in the winter. During the Giro he fell again. We were able to keep the consequences quiet, but for a week he felt pain with every pedal step. I no longer expected him to win the Giro."
https://www.knack.be/sport/wielrenn...-van-wout-een-glas-champagne-blijven-drinken/
- Nov 16, 2013
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I think September 2023.
(PCS count three stage wins in Tour de l'Avenir for Boasson Hagen which shouldn't count)
- Aug 13, 2011
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On that route what about the 3 wins in Tour d'Azerbaïdjan for Roglic? Like Avenir it’s listed as 2.2 in previous years and changes to 2.1 on PCS.
- Sep 26, 2020
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Since you normally count 2.1 wins no matter the level of competition, then EBH wins should also count. And unlike Roglič in Azerbaijan, he was actually up against riders from top level teams. But it doesn't change the fact that l'Avenir was a U25 race.
- Feb 20, 2012
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I'd cut l'Avenir because of the age restriction, as well as national champs cause they're so uneven between country and after that Roglic should be about 50 wins ahead
- Aug 13, 2011
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But for those 2 years it’s listed a 2.1 so was it a 2.1 at the time or still U23?
Not like Roglic hasn’t raced the nationals and undermines how good some of EBH’s competition was some years despite it being a small cycling country.
I guess it's exciting to reignite hopes of a tour de France win but come on, does anyone really think he can win the tour if Ving or pogi ride it? I like roglic. Pogi has long season and wins Lombardia...Rog has long season and gets third. Winning tour is not happening. But good to think it ...I guess. Take the money ..smart...but winning tour. No. Jumbo gave him many chances. How many times did he crash? What if he crashes w Bora ?
- Sep 26, 2020
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- Jun 7, 2010
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Yeah, Avenir was 2.1 ME in 2006
IIRC the categorizations on the calendar pages were more or less correct at the time
IIRC the categorizations on the calendar pages were more or less correct at the time
- Jul 10, 2014
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Coach of Roglic also to Bora for 3 years
Interesting quote, about why he didn't go to Ineos when offered:
"It makes it easier to close the door behind me. Especially because everyone gives me this transfer and understands why I am taking this step. First of all, Wout. He knows that I did not go into a very nice proposal from INEOS in 2020. I didn’t know about my heart to abandon him after his crash in the Tour. I don't feel that right now. Wout can continue without me. I compare it to my daughter, who will marry next week. At some point, you need to let go of your children, even if it is not easy."
Interesting quote, about why he didn't go to Ineos when offered:
"It makes it easier to close the door behind me. Especially because everyone gives me this transfer and understands why I am taking this step. First of all, Wout. He knows that I did not go into a very nice proposal from INEOS in 2020. I didn’t know about my heart to abandon him after his crash in the Tour. I don't feel that right now. Wout can continue without me. I compare it to my daughter, who will marry next week. At some point, you need to let go of your children, even if it is not easy."
- Jul 16, 2015
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I read the full article.
Roglič emphasised the fact he wanted to take his coach with him to his new team during his transfer negotiations. Lamberts said he wouldn't have followed him just for the sake of it, he wanted something with a good foundation to work with & a good environment already. That's Bora.
I think Bora suited everyone tbh. Rog gets a solid team with a cultural base similar to what he's known at Jumbo (& almost neighboring Slovenia). Lamberts gets a good team to work with & Jumbo didn't sell to one of their biggest rivals (Ineos or UAE) in the UCI rankings.
Win-win-win.
Roglič emphasised the fact he wanted to take his coach with him to his new team during his transfer negotiations. Lamberts said he wouldn't have followed him just for the sake of it, he wanted something with a good foundation to work with & a good environment already. That's Bora.
I think Bora suited everyone tbh. Rog gets a solid team with a cultural base similar to what he's known at Jumbo (& almost neighboring Slovenia). Lamberts gets a good team to work with & Jumbo didn't sell to one of their biggest rivals (Ineos or UAE) in the UCI rankings.
Win-win-win.
- Nov 16, 2013
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Still, age restricted races shouldn't count as pro wins no matter the categorisation.
Junior races are also called 1.1 and 2.1...
- Apr 5, 2015
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The one way to be sure you won't win is if you give up and don't try.
- Oct 8, 2023
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Do you have a crystal ball or what ?
If someone can win Giro and Vuelta, he can also win the Tour. Crashes can happen to everyone and what do you mean "Jumbo gave him enough chances". A lot of crap happened as well and before he joined Jumbo was nothing.
- Apr 14, 2021
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Your take, however, is contradictory...
If Roglic IS a great athlete who COULD have won another GT with TJV (this part I agree with), why on earth would he not win it with Bora? Could be 2 reasons:
1. Roglic needs a top team to win a GT otherwise he has no chance. Evidence to the contrary: 2023 Giro win
2. Bora can't produce a decent enough team to have a shot at GT. Evidence to the contrary: 2022 Giro win
Bora can produce a much better team than Roglic had this year's Giro. Much better...
The biggest risk here is Roglic, to be honest. His age might catch up with him very suddenly. But even in this case, it's not lose/lose/lose but lose/win/win.
- Apr 14, 2021
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To all the posters who claim Roglic has no legitimate shot at winning the Tour and should not focus on that. That's complete insanity. He is number 3 GC racer in the world. If he doesn't, who does? Applying this logic, all GC contenders should just go elsewhere and it would be just Vinge vs Pog because you know, why bother?
- Aug 13, 2011
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The rest of the team and Kuss especially came in clutch to keep Roglic close to Geriant. Otherwise without Kuss pacing him up the mountain after he got dropped, Roglic could have dominated the TT and still lost the Giro due to the mechanical that occurred.
- Sep 5, 2020
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Even Pog should just abandon Tour racing since he got demolished by Skeleton two times in a row. Basically, if Vinge shows up, everyone else should just go home. That's some champions thinking right there.
- Sep 5, 2020
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He crashed and had a lot of problems in Giro because of that. Hi's tranier who is going to Bora now said days days ago how much problems they had with his injuries and how much pain he was in all the time.
Roglič has one big problem in his Tour or any GT bid. Staying healthy (not crashing) before them and during. I just want to see him coming in the Tour without injuries and making it through it without them. He doesn't have much time...
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