Fernando Gaviria Discussion Thread

[del1962]

Should go to the tour, but probably wont

 

[Squire]

Re:

Should go to the tour, but probably wont

Disagree. He should finish the Giro and win the ciclamino jersey, then rest up for the late season and go for the rainbow jersey.

 

[yaco]

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Should go to the tour, but probably wont

No he shouldn't - First he is a second year pro, so it's too difficult for him to do back-to-back tours - Second ES have set their plans in stone for the TDF,so need to change - Remember ES wouldn't allow Gibert to ride PR even though he is in rare form - ES is one of the top teams because they place their riders well and have an excellent team spirit.

 

[Jspear]

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Should go to the tour, but probably wont

Disagree. He should finish the Giro and win the ciclamino jersey, then rest up for the late season and go for the rainbow jersey.

Get a couple Vuelta wins first and then leave early to prep for the Worlds imo.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

Should go to the tour, but probably wont

Disagree. He should finish the Giro and win the ciclamino jersey, then rest up for the late season and go for the rainbow jersey.

He should finish the Giro yes, but he wont survive climbs in the worlds, he will most likely win tour stages though

 

[DNP-Old]

Re: Re:

Should go to the tour, but probably wont

Disagree. He should finish the Giro and win the ciclamino jersey, then rest up for the late season and go for the rainbow jersey.

He should finish the Giro yes, but he wont survive climbs in the worlds, he will most likely win tour stages though

What makes you think he wouldn't survive the climbs? He's arguably one of the best climbing sprinters out there, if not the best.

 

[del1962]

Re: Re:

Should go to the tour, but probably wont

Disagree. He should finish the Giro and win the ciclamino jersey, then rest up for the late season and go for the rainbow jersey.

He should finish the Giro yes, but he wont survive climbs in the worlds, he will most likely win tour stages though

What makes you think he wouldn't survive the climbs? He's arguably the best climbing sprinter out there.

What I have seen of his climbing in the Giro, his sprinting lives up to the hype, his climbing seems to be overrated by some

 

[DNP-Old]

Re: Re:

Should go to the tour, but probably wont

Disagree. He should finish the Giro and win the ciclamino jersey, then rest up for the late season and go for the rainbow jersey.

He should finish the Giro yes, but he wont survive climbs in the worlds, he will most likely win tour stages though

What makes you think he wouldn't survive the climbs? He's arguably the best climbing sprinter out there.

What I have seen of his climbing in the Giro, his sprinting lives up to the hype, his climbing seems to be overrated by some

It's not like he's had to use his climbing talents this Giro. The stages are either flat or too tough for any sprinter. And he went very good on Mt. Etna.

 

[DNP-Old]

I've already heard both the Spanish and Belgian DS say that the course in Bergen is rather easy. It's a race for the likes of Sagan, Kristoff and Matthews. Nando is certainly amongst those names.

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Should go to the tour, but probably wont

No he shouldn't - First he is a second year pro, so it's too difficult for him to do back-to-back tours - Second ES have set their plans in stone for the TDF,so need to change - Remember ES wouldn't allow Gibert to ride PR even though he is in rare form - ES is one of the top teams because they place their riders well and have an excellent team spirit.

Lefevere already confirmed Gaviria, Kittel, Brambilla, Jungels and Martin for the tour at the start of the season.

 

[del1962]

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I've already heard both the Spanish and Belgian DS say that the course in Bergen is rather easy. It's a race for the likes of Sagan, Kristoff and Matthews. Nando is certainly amongst those names.

I honestly think from what I have seen this Giro that his climbing is overrated, not on level of Matthews or Sagan, probably as good as Kristoff.

 

[Akuryo]

Almost 73 km/h ... looking at that sprint I think no one else even hit 70

 

[AlexNYC]

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I've already heard both the Spanish and Belgian DS say that the course in Bergen is rather easy. It's a race for the likes of Sagan, Kristoff and Matthews. Nando is certainly amongst those names.

I honestly think from what I have seen this Giro that his climbing is overrated, not on level of Matthews or Sagan, probably as good as Kristoff.

Kristoff's climbing level would be pretty good for Gaviria; Matthews' or Sagan's, I think that might be quite a stretch for him (can't see him ever doing what Sagan did at Tirreno this year, e.g.). But this is all speculation at this point. Has he won or come close to winning a race with a significant hill? Also, has he shown that he is capable of winning a moderately uphill sprint? These are actual questions BTW. I've only followed him for the past couple of years, so I don't know anything about his career before that.

 

[kingjr]

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I've already heard both the Spanish and Belgian DS say that the course in Bergen is rather easy. It's a race for the likes of Sagan, Kristoff and Matthews. Nando is certainly amongst those names.

I honestly think from what I have seen this Giro that his climbing is overrated, not on level of Matthews or Sagan, probably as good as Kristoff.

Kristoff's climbing level would be pretty good for Gaviria; Matthews' or Sagan's, I think that might be quite a stretch for him (can't see him ever doing what Sagan did at Tirreno this year, e.g.). But this is all speculation at this point. Has he won or come close to winning a race with a significant hill? Also, has he shown that he is capable of winning a moderately uphill sprint? These are actual questions BTW. I've only followed for the past couple of years, so I don't know anything about his career before that.

Does the one where he beat Ewan last year at Tirreno qualify as moderately uphill?

 

[Escarabajo]

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Should go to the tour, but probably wont

No he shouldn't - First he is a second year pro, so it's too difficult for him to do back-to-back tours - Second ES have set their plans in stone for the TDF,so need to change - Remember ES wouldn't allow Gibert to ride PR even though he is in rare form - ES is one of the top teams because they place their riders well and have an excellent team spirit.

Lefevere already confirmed Gaviria, Kittel, Brambilla, Jungels and Martin for the tour at the start of the season.

I didn't read that anywhere.

The plan was always for Gaviria to go his first GT at the Giro and then Vuelta.

Do you have a link?

 

[AlexNYC]

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I've already heard both the Spanish and Belgian DS say that the course in Bergen is rather easy. It's a race for the likes of Sagan, Kristoff and Matthews. Nando is certainly amongst those names.

I honestly think from what I have seen this Giro that his climbing is overrated, not on level of Matthews or Sagan, probably as good as Kristoff.

Kristoff's climbing level would be pretty good for Gaviria; Matthews' or Sagan's, I think that might be quite a stretch for him (can't see him ever doing what Sagan did at Tirreno this year, e.g.). But this is all speculation at this point. Has he won or come close to winning a race with a significant hill? Also, has he shown that he is capable of winning a moderately uphill sprint? These are actual questions BTW. I've only followed for the past couple of years, so I don't know anything about his career before that.

Does the one where he beat Ewan last year at Tirreno qualify as moderately uphill?

I'd need to look at that stage's profile again to be honest; but if Ewan was in it, I doubt that one would qualify.

 

[kingjr]

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I've already heard both the Spanish and Belgian DS say that the course in Bergen is rather easy. It's a race for the likes of Sagan, Kristoff and Matthews. Nando is certainly amongst those names.

I honestly think from what I have seen this Giro that his climbing is overrated, not on level of Matthews or Sagan, probably as good as Kristoff.

Kristoff's climbing level would be pretty good for Gaviria; Matthews' or Sagan's, I think that might be quite a stretch for him (can't see him ever doing what Sagan did at Tirreno this year, e.g.). But this is all speculation at this point. Has he won or come close to winning a race with a significant hill? Also, has he shown that he is capable of winning a moderately uphill sprint? These are actual questions BTW. I've only followed for the past couple of years, so I don't know anything about his career before that.

Does the one where he beat Ewan last year at Tirreno qualify as moderately uphill?

I'd need to look at that stage's profile again to be honest; but if Ewan was in it, I doubt that one would qualify.

Here's the final

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4BvuR8z--o

 

[Valv.Piti]

Going to the Tour after finishing the Giro is definitely overkill, should ride a couple of weeks in La Vuelta instead and try to win in Bergen.

 

[Vroome.exe]

Gav was never scheduled to do Tour. I think that quote by lefevere is either made up or just a misunderstanding.

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Should go to the tour, but probably wont

No he shouldn't - First he is a second year pro, so it's too difficult for him to do back-to-back tours - Second ES have set their plans in stone for the TDF,so need to change - Remember ES wouldn't allow Gibert to ride PR even though he is in rare form - ES is one of the top teams because they place their riders well and have an excellent team spirit.

Lefevere already confirmed Gaviria, Kittel, Brambilla, Jungels and Martin for the tour at the start of the season.

I didn't read that anywhere.

The plan was always for Gaviria to go his first GT at the Giro and then Vuelta.

Do you have a link?

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/952/Wielrennen/article/detail/3052275/2017/01/11/Quick-Step-Floors-kent-al-halve-Tourploeg-en-zet-zowel-in-Omloop-Ronde-als-Primavera-in-op-zowel-Boonen-als-Gilbert.dhtml

It is in dutch, belgium newspaper.

http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/dan-martin-named-as-one-of-five-riders-on-quick-step-floors-tour-de-france-team/

English link.

 

[Son of Amsterhammer]

Wow, only just saw the overhead video.That was an amazing finish. He is certainly proving he's worthy of a place at the big guns table.

 

[huangho]

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Points jersey is not a goal for him. He wants to win at least three stages though.

Well it seems that winning one will be a task for him, let alone three...

Or four!

This guy is special...

 

[Akuryo]

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Should go to the tour, but probably wont

No he shouldn't - First he is a second year pro, so it's too difficult for him to do back-to-back tours - Second ES have set their plans in stone for the TDF,so need to change - Remember ES wouldn't allow Gibert to ride PR even though he is in rare form - ES is one of the top teams because they place their riders well and have an excellent team spirit.

Lefevere already confirmed Gaviria, Kittel, Brambilla, Jungels and Martin for the tour at the start of the season.

I didn't read that anywhere.

The plan was always for Gaviria to go his first GT at the Giro and then Vuelta.

Do you have a link?

http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/952/Wielrennen/article/detail/3052275/2017/01/11/Quick-Step-Floors-kent-al-halve-Tourploeg-en-zet-zowel-in-Omloop-Ronde-als-Primavera-in-op-zowel-Boonen-als-Gilbert.dhtml

It is in dutch, belgium newspaper.

http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/dan-martin-named-as-one-of-five-riders-on-quick-step-floors-tour-de-france-team/

English link.

Just look at the article from the main page today where Lefevere said that he won't ride the Tour in 2017.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/the-history-maker-fernando-gaviria/

 

[Keram]

Great stuff by Fernando this Giro. His huge points lead reminds me Sagan's at the Tour. I think we will see some great point battles at TDF between Gav and Sagi and I think Gav could steal some greens from Sagan.

 

[Akuryo]

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Great stuff by Fernando this Giro. His huge points lead reminds me Sagan's at the Tour. I think we will see some great point battles at TDF between Gav and Sagi and I think Gav could steal some greens from Sagan.

I am probably one of Gavirias biggest fanboys here but even I know that he was the only one really going for those intermediate points. Getting 4 stages surely did help a lot but we will have to see if he also can get points on mountain stages like Sagan does so often.