FIFA World Cup 2010

[The Hitch]

Yeah, it's a shame. He's a character and an interesting read. He'll probably do some career-best work now. Short time gives that kind of perspective.

His political opposite, Tony Judt, has done some good work on the decline due to motor-neurone disease.

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The brilliance of Christopher is not his writings. As a writer he is average.

Its his debating and speaking. The best the world has ever seen. As was once said "if you have are offered a debate against CH, decline immediately" Unfortunately he will now probably have to stop that. Whatever works he does, now will not match that.

 

[The Hitch]

He made the most of it against South Africa to get that penalty. I saw him dive a few times in another game as well.

Oh Suarez, though i havent seen him much, strikes me as one of those players who would step over his mother for a decision. I say that based on his behaviour and on his tendency to shoot when he has far better options.
I just think he wasnt cheating against ghana

 

[gingerwallaceafro]

Oh Suarez, though i havent seen him much, strikes me as one of those players who would step over his mother for a decision. I say that based on his behaviour and on his tendency to shoot when he has far better options.
I just think he wasnt cheating against ghana

Oh...

 

[A.Marino]

Thank you Germany

 

[craig1985]

I'm sure somewhere Esteban Cambiasso is chuckling to himself. A great result for the good guys here.

And if I were a manager of a big club in England or Spain, I would be trying to tap up Ozil right now, he comes up for a free transfer at the end of the season.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Don´t know what all the pipo have a problem with Suarez. He sacrificed himself for the team (no cheating, no diving, no fixing etc.). He´ll miss the next game for the team. A hero in Uruquay now. He deserves it.

AND YES, GERMANY WON !!! JAAA ... and almost came up with yellow for Matin. Great day here...

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Don´t know what all the pipo have a problem with Suarez. He sacrificed himself for the team (no cheating, no diving, no fixing etc.). He´ll miss the next game for the team. A hero in Uruquay now. He deserves it.

AND YES, GERMANY WON !!! JAAA ... and almost came up with yellow for Matin. Great day here...

Yes, I understand volleyball is huge in Uruguay.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Yes, I understand volleyball is huge in Uruguay.

what should he have done?

jump away and let the ball in? with no chance to tie the game? He did the only right thing he could do: Try to save his team (give the opp. a 80% win chance instead of 100%). He got penalized by the worst penalty soccer offers: Red Card, miss a IMPORTANT Game AND give the opponent the great chance to score... (btw, the fee kick which led to the situation was no foul)

 

[usedtobefast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur5fGSBsfq8&feature=related

of course, this is how the game should be played.

 

[stephens]

Yeah, it looks like the Greek's Socrates was better than Brazil's:

 

[yourwelcome]

what should he have done?

jump away and let the ball in? with no chance to tie the game? He did the only right thing he could do: Try to save his team (give the opp. a 80% win chance instead of 100%). He got penalized by the worst penalty soccer offers: Red Card, miss a IMPORTANT Game AND give the opponent the great chance to score... (btw, the fee kick which led to the situation was no foul)

The reason there's a major penalty for deliberate handballing in goals is that it is considered to be one of the worst things a player can do against the game.
Doing it knowing you'll get caught just because you've calculated you'll still get an advantage hardly makes a deliberate foul a noble gesture. Kind of sad to see people portraying it as such.

Yes, he should have let it go. This 'the end justifies the means' ethic causes enough misery in the real world without it taking over sports as well.

 

[stephens]

The reason there's a major penalty for deliberate handballing in goals is that it is considered to be one of the worst things a player can do against the game.

No. The reason there is a major penalty is that the penalty is designed to balance out the advantage gained. It's not some sort of comment on the morality of the action!

Besides, there is a big difference from trying to score a goal by one's hand (what you're talking about) and simply using all of one's body to block a goal (what actually happened here).

But either way, there are rules to the game which are set up as a kind of contract: do this, and this will happen. The rules are like our laws. They aren't designed with the goal of completely eliminating violations: if they were, every penalty would be the death penalty since that'd be the best deterrent. All our rules are designed to do is rebalance the score. They tell people, if you do violate this rule, you gained an advantage and so you must pay such and such penalty. Use your hand as a defender in your box, you are red carded and a PK is awarded.

That's the contract. And in this case, everything took place according to that contract. There is no need to talk about morality or any extemporaneous BS. It's a game, it has rules, they were followed.

 

[The Hitch]

The reason there's a major penalty for deliberate handballing in goals is that it is considered to be one of the worst things a player can do against the game.
Doing it knowing you'll get caught just because you've calculated you'll still get an advantage hardly makes a deliberate foul a noble gesture. Kind of sad to see people portraying it as such.

Yes, he should have let it go. This 'the end justifies the means' ethic causes enough misery in the real world without it taking over sports as well.

I note your use of the word misery because gyan- the guy who missed the penalty that would have won it, posture and behaviour (crying and almost fainiting while being held by teammates)after the match mimmicked exactly , the posture and behaviour of middle eastern women in ****stan on the news when they leant their whole family has been wiped out.

If people are stupid and weak enough to feel misery after a football match, tough and shame on them.
Its not a word that should ever be used in sport.

 

[Moondance]

Well I'm off to do some serious drinking again before the Dutch lose pathetically to Uruguay. Its sad, get all this way, beat Brazil, only to get completely owned and shafted by Uruguay.

 

[ak-zaaf]

Its sad, get all this way, beat Brazil, only to get completely owned and shafted by Uruguay.

That won't happen.

We will dominate, eliminate Forlan, have 70% possession, get v/d Wiel a transfer to Bayern, make van Bronckhorst seem like a fast guy and then we will see van Persie unable to be a striker again, no endpass reaching it's destination, we'll see us failing to score and losing after an 87 minute free-kick given away by de Zeeuw.


But hey, we had a good run.

 

[luckyboy]

Way to block a shot Van Persie

 

[luckyboy]

Goal of the WC

 

[The Hitch]

i just came. Have Holland been dominant?

Oh what a goal from Forlan. I knew the second he put it on his left that it was going on target

 

[Big GMaC]

oh diego ...

 

[RedheadDane]

GO URUGUAY!!!

Why do I want Uruguay to win? No particular reason...

 

[ak-zaaf]

After reading all the Dutch players claiming "you can't let Forlan shoot from anywhere within 40 meters of goal" this is pretty sad

Stekelenburg didn't look too good either.

After a half where they both only managed to score with unlikely distance shots I'm not having a lot of faith in the second half, could go any way =/


The World cup final, it was too good to be true anyway.

 

[ak-zaaf]

GO URUGUAY!!!

Why do I want Uruguay to win? No particular reason...

You should support Holland since every decent Danish football player in history learned to play the game here

 

[luckyboy]

Putting Van Der Vaart on will solve everything

Where is Elia?!

 

[The Hitch]

that is just unfair.
Van persie is offside, and as a result uruguay are out.

edit: commentator says that they are finding a way to win games.

No the ref gave them a wrong goal. BIG difference.

 

[luckyboy]

Mwahahahaha