Floyd Explains How to Beat the Passport

[MacRoadie]

I myself am not OK with anyone talking about how to dope or how to beat a drug test. Some fool might try it and hurt themselves.

Yep, Floyd laid out the hard part.

Now, all they have to do is find a preparatore to plan a program, secure a safe and anonymous source for EPO, purchase transfusion equipment, learn how to draw and re-infuse their own blood, purchase and learn how to operate a flow cytometer, purchase a microscope and learn how to manually count reticulocytes, and learn how to dose EPO and infuse saline solution as necessary.

Easy

 

[BikeCentric]

I would laugh at what you say but....after reading Joe Papp and attending local bike races the doping in cycling even by some old men my makes me sick. I do not want my kids to see that. Amatuers really. Racing for inner tube primes. On PEDs. You think they read the clinic for advice. Especially the graphs and such.

Flicker this has been going on for a long time and the reality is that these Landis allegations may do some good to help deter people from taking that path.

The Kayle Leogrande case 4 years ago revealed that he bought a box of EPO that lasted him a whole season for $500.00. All it takes is someone with $500.00 and a willingness to play with needles.

I agree with you that it's very sad that a great sport like cycling that is about health and fitness at its core could become so tainted and corrupted by the unhealthy practice of doping, especially with needles. It's really just gross that the delivery choice of heroin junkies is the same as pro cyclists who are suppossed to represent the pinnacle of health and fitness.

I really think you need to re-examine your thoughts on Floyd. Yes, he did a huge amount of damage to cycling with his previous denial and false campaign of innocence. And his new admissions will again do a huge amount of damage to cycling in the short term, but they will lead to some long term improvement. Either that or the sport will continue down the road of destroying itself.

Either way, I can assure you that your protestations for us to "not talk about this" will do nothing but enforce the Omerta that has been slowly destroying this sport for years and is the real reason why we are dealing with this whole scandal right now.

 

[Nick777]

Yep, Floyd laid out the hard part.

Now, all they have to do is find a preparatore to plan a program, secure a safe and anonymous source for EPO, purchase transfusion equipment, learn how to draw and re-infuse their own blood, purchase and learn how to operate a flow cytometer, purchase a microscope and learn how to manually count reticulocytes, and learn how to dose EPO and infuse saline solution as necessary.

Easy

Anyone want to help me when I race next year?

 

[BroDeal]

Anyone want to help me when I race next year?

I charge 10% of earnings, and I don't take Powerbars or tubes as payment.

 

[LargusMeans]

From another thread, but completely relevant here.

.....but this new ESPN story is the biggest bomb I've seen, especially considering Dr. Jakob Morkeberg's evaluation of Armstrong's blood values last year. I'll dig out that link - Shane Stokes did an excellent job of reporting.

Here's the Morkeberg story

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/analysis-armstrongs-tour-blood-levels-debated

Read that, then follow it with this....

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5222488

Then add in the latest Ashenden statements from the latest cyclingnews article.

"It came as a complete shock to me that a rider would continue to use EPO during a Tour - but again, now that we have that knowledge tests can be targeted accordingly, and I would suggest that better targeting will result in more riders being caught."

The end result of the technique, Ashenden explained, is that a rider's red blood cell population stays constant during a stage race such as the Tour de France, rather than dropping as would happen in a normal person.

"[Microdosing] keeps the percentage of reticulocytes close to normal - not exactly normal, but close enough that we would have difficulty excluding the possibility that some other reasonable explanation could account for the subtle change we had seen."

For me, thats the slam dunk. No more question in my mind at all about Armstrong's suspect past and his overall character when you put those two together. He's a liar, a cheat and a doper. period.

(but so is half the peloton, including my hero Contador )

Damnit.

 

[BroDeal]

From the CN article:

The end result of the technique, Ashenden explained, is that a rider's red blood cell population stays constant during a stage race such as the Tour de France, rather than dropping as would happen in a normal person.

Sort of puts Armstrong's steady hematocrit until the last rest day when it jumped into perspective, doesn't it?

 

[blackcat]

Flicker this has been going on for a long time and the reality is that these Landis allegations may do some good to help deter people from taking that path.

The Kayle Leogrande case 4 years ago revealed that he bought a box of EPO that lasted him a whole season for $500.00. All it takes is someone with $500.00 and a willingness to play with needles.

EpOsInO IZ good. Feds clozing EpOsInO IZ bad

 

[blackcat]

From the CN article:

The end result of the technique, Ashenden explained, is that a rider's red blood cell population stays constant during a stage race such as the Tour de France, rather than dropping as would happen in a normal person.

Sort of puts Armstrong's steady hematocrit until the last rest day when it jumped into perspective, doesn't it?

and Wigans

 

[nebbiolo]

"From the way I am reading it, the concept of intravenously taking EPO, and the volume of EPO that technique allows, undercuts the "micro-dosing" concept. These are not "micro-doses" they appear to be "macro-doses" or "mega-doses".

If you can take a larger quantity of EPO, and it increases the blood volume, this allows for less drop-off of the markers being watched on the Bio-Passport."

I disagree. Mega dosing is an obvious death wish, and according to the NYTimes:

"Microdosing, however, appears to increase users’ blood volumes significantly. So although EPO raises users’ overall red blood cell level, its concentration stays constant because blood volume increases."

 

[Hillavoider]

Landis must have names and reciepts for the equipment he bought, who's supplying the medical equipment, there has to be a way to bring this down!!!!!~

 

[Alesle]

I was at the WADA website & was reminded that instead of 24/7 whereabouts, top athletes only have to state where they'll be during one hour each particular day. Does anyone know if the UCI rule is identical? I'm thinking that a guy could be at that place (preferably not his home or hotel) during the hour, leave immediately after, go somewhere and microdose, and know that he was safe until his next specified hour. That's if the one hour rule applies.

The one hour rule applies, but they can be tested outside it. Doesn't help much when people like Lefevre and Bruyneel are able to tell their riders exactly when those "outside the one hour tests" will occur though.

 

[JPM London]

For me, thats the slam dunk. No more question in my mind at all about Armstrong's suspect past and his overall character when you put those two together. He's a liar, a cheat and a doper. period.

This bit from Ashenden is definitely going to put him in the firing line for being biased. Probably not going to be long before Pat et al wants him removed from official UCI work based on being prejudiced against poor old LA (and other dopers).

 

[Papparrazzi]

These microdoses are supposed to be undetectable after a few hours. Could this throw a new perspective on that LA test by the "incompetent" official that was waiting for him to return from a training ride, and LA stalled him by taking a 20 minute shower? Mabye LA wanted those extra minutes for a greater margin of security?

Just my uninformed speculation.

 

[Mellow Velo]

What are the chances that old Pierre Bordry and the AFLD come out with a press statement along the lines of:

"Due to the apparent conflict of interests, effecting the UCI and a rider taking part in the Tour de France, plus recent allegations concerning the validity of the UCI's Bio Passport system, the AFLD renews it's demand to be allowed to carry out it's own testing regime, at the 2010 TDF".

Would Pat be able to close the door, now?

 

[theswordsman]

This bit from Ashenden is definitely going to put him in the firing line for being biased. Probably not going to be long before Pat et al wants him removed from official UCI work based on being prejudiced against poor old LA (and other dopers).

Ashenden will outlast McQuaid, but hopefully if the Biological Passport continues, it will be independent of the organization intent on the illusion of clean cycling.

 

[theswordsman]

What are the chances that old Pierre Bordry and the AFLD come out with a press statement along the lines of:

"Due to the apparent conflict of interests, effecting the UCI and a rider taking part in the Tour de France, plus recent allegations concerning the validity of the UCI's Bio Passport system, the AFLD renews it's demand to be allowed to carry out it's own testing regime, at the 2010 TDF".

Would Pat be able to close the door, now?

I've just been trying to tweet some cycling journos trying to get one to check the status of the request for additional tests. I hadn't thought that maybe this would be a great chance to have them run the show, but cool idea.

Bordry sent McQuaid the e-mail right after the WADA clarified the code. Google didn't translate it well from German, but there's a deadline of 35 days prior to the event, and one 21 days prior. The WADA definitely has the authority to overrule the UCI if they turn them down. My interpretation is the national body has to contact the UCI at least 5 weeks before the race, then they have until 3 weeks before to say yes or no. At 21 days before the Tour, the WADA can grant permission themselves.

The code clarification was pretty much for this situation, so the WADA approval should pretty much be a given, especially with investigations going on right and left. It will be interesting if the UCI tries to say no anyway. Their testers are already going to have AMA officials accompany them through the whole testing process at the Tour to make sure everything is on the up and up. And now that it's known that blood is delivered on the day that it's used, the OCLAESP can watch the buses and hotels.

http://www.focus.de/sport/mehrsport...dopingkontrollen-bei-der-tour_aid_507730.html

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2010/20100504_124314_larpe-en-garde-a-vue.html

 

[frenchfry]

What are the chances that old Pierre Bordry and the AFLD come out with a press statement along the lines of:

"Due to the apparent conflict of interests, effecting the UCI and a rider taking part in the Tour de France, plus recent allegations concerning the validity of the UCI's Bio Passport system, the AFLD renews it's demand to be allowed to carry out it's own testing regime, at the 2010 TDF".

Would Pat be able to close the door, now?

So far there is virtually no coverage of this in the French media, except for some half hearted articles when the story first broke. Even though most of this concerns American riders and teams, the extent of the silence is strange.

 

[Mr.38%]

Everyone with a half brain may read freely available information on the net in order to know: a) what drugs and methods are being used, b) when to use them, c) how much to use, d) where to get them and most importantly e) how to avoid sides and pass controls.

Every racer who is climbing up the categories will sooner or later find someone who is able to teach and source stuff. Older riders, directeur sportifs, race organizers, people with contacts in general. Hey, I've been nordic skiing just twice in my life and met a local athlete who was deep, deep into shit - in just 20 hours on the track... It is ALL OVER, even on amateur level.

I wonder how naive people (incl. Ashenden) are, I really do.

Hopefully Floyd wrote EVERYTHING down like he said. Day by day, full disclosure.

 

[fruit bars with eyes]

Interesting
landis offers unproven allegations and you jump the rails to "fact"
there should be an iq test for this forum

yeh you could maybe pass the test by microdosing synthetic IQ

 

[thingswelike]

What a thoroughly miserable life being a pro cyclist must be. All this cloak and dagger stuff!
Imagine a good junior who managed to stay sheltered from it all, then they try and turn pro and the reality hits them. They start to hear whisperings of what's going on. Then they get to the realisation that "everyone's doing it". Truly tragic.

Ashenden's comment of "we knew they were doing something" is very telling. It could even mean that profiles previously allowed will be re-examined. That could be pretty dangerous though - too many sanctions all at once.

I wouldn't be surprised if they drew a line under everything just before the tour and wiped the slate clean.

 

[thingswelike]

BTW - put me down for a t-shirt too!

 

[User Guide]

What a thoroughly miserable life being a pro cyclist must be. All this cloak and dagger stuff!
Imagine a good junior who managed to stay sheltered from it all, then they try and turn pro and the reality hits them. They start to hear whisperings of what's going on. Then they get to the realisation that "everyone's doing it". Truly tragic.

Ashenden's comment of "we knew they were doing something" is very telling. It could even mean that profiles previously allowed will be re-examined. That could be pretty dangerous though - too many sanctions all at once.

I wouldn't be surprised if they drew a line under everything just before the tour and wiped the slate clean.

No whats really telling is...."We've known they're doing something, especially in the last year."
Last year ....that would be the dark distant past "the bad old days" but its ok cyclings cleaner now ,its 36 hours since last doping case

 

[Anonymous]

This bit from Ashenden is definitely going to put him in the firing line for being biased. Probably not going to be long before Pat et al wants him removed from official UCI work based on being prejudiced against poor old LA (and other dopers).

That was a statement by the poster, not Ashenden.

 

[Pancreas]

This line was interesting:
"Why some riders' blood values remained within a unusually narrow range, a pattern that was suspicious in and of itself but not generally subject to sanctions."

I remember an interview with Rasmus Damsgaard in the belgian press (Humo) a couple of years ago where he said Carlos Sastre was absolutely clean because his blood values didn't fluctuate at all.

 

[Fourier]

odd that Flandis is describing how to beat the passport since if I recall correctly, the passport was not in effect in the years before his suspension.
He describes how they used microdosing and transfusions but that was done even pre-passport.
Sure there has to be more to it now.