Floyd to be charged with fraud

[ChrisE]

For those of us that are ignorant and only look at these threads for a laugh at the haters, what does SCA stand for, can we have a quick summary of what that was about given its no doubt few years old.


Hugh

Super Champion Armstrong.

 

[TERMINATOR]

Where does it say that?

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/could-floyd-landis-face-fraud-charges

Where does it say in the article that "Floyd is to be charged with fraud?" All I see is a reference to a grand jury investigation? In case you haven't heard, convening a grand jury does not always result in the filing of charges.

 

[ChrisE]

Where does it say in the article that "Floyd is to be charged with fraud?" All I see is a reference to a grand jury investigation? In case you haven't heard, convening a grand jury does not always result in the filing of charges.

BS. Convening a GJ always results in charges, and the accused is screwed. I learned that here when LA etal were under investigation.

 

[Digger]

BS. Convening a GJ always results in charges, and the accused is screwed. I learned that here when LA etal were under investigation.

To be fair though when you don't have political influence to sort things out, it often does result in charges....

 

[Velodude]

BS. Convening a GJ always results in charges, and the accused is screwed. I learned that here when LA etal were under investigation.

Must have missed that.

Did the Tailwind/Armstrong Grand Jury (for MarkvW read the Cycling Grand Jury) no bill all of the specific criminal charges?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Ah, Johan...
the 'pillar of integrity' speaking to all of us on how to conduct ourselves

 

[MarkvW]

If you believe the lone CN report, Floyd has his own GJ in San Diego.

Interesting that there would be a different grand jury for Floyd, separate from the LA GJ that was investigating.

Interesting that the news comes out now, so long after Floyd's Fairness Frolic.

Could this have started in LA?
If it did, why would it now be in SD?

 

[BotanyBay]

I'm willing to bet that there is no GJ investigating Floyd at all. There fact that no other media has even peeped about it (despite hearing the rumor) says to me that there's nothing to peep about.

 

[thehog]

I'm willing to bet that there is no GJ investigating Floyd at all. There fact that no other media has even peeped about it (despite hearing the rumor) says to me that there's nothing to peep about.

I did read somewhere but I'm not sure where but the Wall St crash of '08 was caused by the FFF. Lehmans went under due to the massive borrowings against the FFF. The Feds went after Madoff but they should have been concentrating on the mastermind Floyd Landis. Those Champions Clubs investors were taken for a ride - they had no idea what they were getting themselves into

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I'm willing to bet that there is no GJ investigating Floyd at all. There fact that no other media has even peeped about it (despite hearing the rumor) says to me that there's nothing to peep about.

Well one thing seems to be 100% correct up to this point and that is there have been "no leaks" about this GJ investigating Floyd.

It would make sense if another media outlet like the LAtimes would report the story but since like you pointed out ....no other media outlet has said anything as of this date...So it makes you wonder.....or "the things that make you go hmmmmmmm".

 

[BotanyBay]

Well one thing seems to be 100% correct up to this point and that is there have been "no leaks" about this GJ investigating Floyd.

It would make sense if another media outlet like the LAtimes would report the story but since like you pointed out ....no other media outlet has said anything as of this date...So it makes you wonder.....or "the things that make you go hmmmmmmm".

Usually a competing media outlet can at least get another source to do something as simple as confirm the existence of the investigation for a "copycat" story (cheap to produce and makes for great "filler"). Since this tidbit has been out there for over a week, and no other players have regurgitated the same info, I'm going with "busted"

 

[MarkvW]

Usually a competing media outlet can at least get another source to do something as simple as confirm the existence of the investigation for a "copycat" story (cheap to produce and makes for great "filler"). Since this tidbit has been out there for over a week, and no other players have regurgitated the same info, I'm going with "busted"

CN's article is suspicious. They say that there is a GJ investigation, that Floyd has been contacted by the GJ, and that Floyd had no comment. The article also use language like "Cyclingnews understands," rather than referring even to an anonymous source.

If the FBI talked to Floyd, and Floyd's not talking, then the only source is a federal leak. I very strongly doubt that a fed would leak to CN only.

I think I'm with you on this one. Maybe CN is trolling us?

 

[Polish]

CN's article is suspicious. They say that there is a GJ investigation, that Floyd has been contacted by the GJ, and that Floyd had no comment. The article also use language like "Cyclingnews understands," rather than referring even to an anonymous source.

If the FBI talked to Floyd, and Floyd's not talking, then the only source is a federal leak. I very strongly doubt that a fed would leak to CN only.

I think I'm with you on this one. Maybe CN is trolling us?

I don't think Floyd was the source. He seems to prefer the ToTo gang over CN when giving out info.

And the Feds would not leak. Once bitten twice shy.

But how about a witness in the Floyd GJ? They or their lawyers are allowed to talk about the case. Maybe HWMNBN'd is the source?

 

[Velodude]

CN's article is suspicious. They say that there is a GJ investigation, that Floyd has been contacted by the GJ, and that Floyd had no comment. The article also use language like "Cyclingnews understands," rather than referring even to an anonymous source.

If the FBI talked to Floyd, and Floyd's not talking, then the only source is a federal leak. I very strongly doubt that a fed would leak to CN only.

I think I'm with you on this one. Maybe CN is trolling us?

Counselor, have you ever considered the alternative of the revelation to be a CN scoop?

[Scoop definition: to get the better of (other publications, newscasters, etc.) by obtaining and publishing or broadcasting a news item, report, or story first]

Floyd would have issued a denial rather than a no comment if CN's news release was not in accordance with the facts. We are not talking national security issues here where the stock response is to neither confirm or deny.

PS: Remember the most memorable news scoops were between "Deep Throat", no not Linda Lovelace, and Washington Post journo Bob Woodward that brought down a Presidency. The single (FBI) source was a secret for 33 years.

 

[mewmewmew13]

CN's article is suspicious. They say that there is a GJ investigation, that Floyd has been contacted by the GJ, and that Floyd had no comment. The article also use language like "Cyclingnews understands," rather than referring even to an anonymous source.

If the FBI talked to Floyd, and Floyd's not talking, then the only source is a federal leak. I very strongly doubt that a fed would leak to CN only.

I think I'm with you on this one. Maybe CN is trolling us?

I think this is how rumours get started...

Really....federal leak?
Have not you ever heard a reporter say , for example, "CNN understands that...." ??

pretty de rigueur it seems

 

[MarkvW]

I don't think Floyd was the source. He seems to prefer the ToTo gang over CN when giving out info.

And the Feds would not leak. Once bitten twice shy.

But how about a witness in the Floyd GJ? They or their lawyers are allowed to talk about the case. Maybe HWMNBN'd is the source?

The language about Floyd being interviewed by the GJ causes me concern about the entire story. But you're right. A witness testifying (or asked to give a statement in lieu of testifying) could be the source for the fact of a continuing ongoing investigation. But then, why would that witness be exclusive to Cyclingnews?

Can be argued both ways.

 

[MarkvW]

I think this is how rumours get started...

Really....federal leak?
Have not you ever heard a reporter say , for example, "CNN understands that...." ??

pretty de rigueur it seems

I do not mean to imply a leak. I do not think there are any leaks to CN. That is one reason why I am suspicious of CN's story.

 

[Velodude]

I do not mean to imply a leak. I do not think there are any leaks to CN. That is one reason why I am suspicious of CN's story.

The only conclusion i can draw so far from your ramblings is you suspect CN invented the story (for commercial gain).

You stand alone on these views just as you stood alone that the Tailwind/Armstrong GJ was not targeting Armstrong but a broad drugs in cycling.

One wonders how the prosecutors drew up their indictment counts to hit poor old "cycling".

 

[MarkvW]

The only conclusion i can draw so far from your ramblings is you suspect CN invented the story (for commercial gain).

You stand alone on these views just as you stood alone that the Tailwind/Armstrong GJ was not targeting Armstrong but a broad drugs in cycling.

One wonders how the prosecutors drew up their indictment counts to hit poor old "cycling".

Can't let Armstrong go, can you?

 

[Velodude]

Can't let Armstrong go, can you?

Just coincidence of the absurdity of your speculations. They are so similar in absurdity it is akin to the duck in looks, waddling and quacking.

 

[MarkvW]

Just coincidence of the absurdity of your speculations. They are so similar in absurdity it is akin to the duck in looks, waddling and quacking.

My own personal troll!

 

[thehog]

I do not mean to imply a leak. I do not think there are any leaks to CN. That is one reason why I am suspicious of CN's story.

I think with all this stuff there’s a lot of speculation. No one would really knows what the government was up to or its motivations.

I guess CN got wind of it and reported what they heard true or not. Perhaps the mainstream press wouldn’t be able to print such a story without additional fact checking and legal requirements?

Or maybe it’s not Landis being investigated and there’s going to be a civil trial launched soon? That would bring a lot into the open from various investigations. Who knows. So little information coming through. Maybe we all just need to move on and this thing is over - dead & buried?

Either way I'm not sure Landis would have the cash nor energy to push or defend various trials forward. These things have been going on for years. It would be sapping.

 

[BotanyBay]

ok, so I stuck my neck out my window to listen to the bird's nest and now am willing to believe that this story is probaably true.

And if it is true, then this would probably explain Birotte's Armstrong decision. My guess is that Floyd was a key component of the Armstrong case, due dilligence showed that Floyd was less than truthful about some things and this caused their overall case to disintegrate quickly. I've suspected this could be the case for a while now, as we tend to forget Floyd's "personality-on-parade" back at Pepperdine University in regards to his behavior with Greg Lemond. Gangst-like behavior tends to cancel-out other gangsta-like behavior in court.

 

[thehog]

ok, so I stuck my neck out my window to listen to the bird's nest and now am willing to believe that this story is probaably true.

And if it is true, then this would probably explain Birotte's Armstrong decision. My guess is that Floyd was a key component of the Armstrong case, due dilligence showed that Floyd was less than truthful about some things and this caused their overall case to disintegrate quickly. I've suspected this could be the case for a while now, as we tend to forget Floyd's "personality-on-parade" back at Pepperdine University in regards to his behavior with Greg Lemond. Gangst-like behavior tends to cancel-out other gangsta-like behavior in court.

Hmmm I don’t know. I think if it was found Floyd was telling porky pies they would have established this early on and not move forward with a two year long investigation (at a waste to tax payers money). The Feds interviewed a lot of people and by all accounts were ready to pull the trigger on indictments. I think the case was dropped because of pressure from the outside. I don’t think it had much to do with Floyd or anyone else involved. To be honest the case wasn’t Landis vs. Armstrong it was USPS/Feds etc. investigation into Armstrong and co. Floyd was a small part of the bigger pie.

As to whether he’s been charged now.. well that’s anyone’s guess. I doubt it.

 

[MarkvW]

ok, so I stuck my neck out my window to listen to the bird's nest and now am willing to believe that this story is probaably true.

And if it is true, then this would probably explain Birotte's Armstrong decision. My guess is that Floyd was a key component of the Armstrong case, due dilligence showed that Floyd was less than truthful about some things and this caused their overall case to disintegrate quickly. I've suspected this could be the case for a while now, as we tend to forget Floyd's "personality-on-parade" back at Pepperdine University in regards to his behavior with Greg Lemond. Gangst-like behavior tends to cancel-out other gangsta-like behavior in court.

If you believe the CN report, it's a different US Attorney leading the Floyd GJ investigation (Southern District of California, San Diego). There's no good reason why it would take four years to investigate Floyd for fraud--everything was knowable since 5/2010. Maybe the Feds (in LA under Birotte) did get mad at Floyd for not being honest with them, and transferred the case to San Diego to avoid any possible appearance of fairness issues. This fits with your theory.

The five year federal wire fraud SOL runs 5 years after the FFF stopped taking money. I expect that if we see anything, we'll see it before then.

Still, I wonder how reliable CN's source or sources were on this story. It is tough to buy that the feds are investigating Floyd, the whistleblower, after all this time.