Four-year Ferrari investigation handed over to CONI

[LaFlorecita]

By the way how many GT did Ferrari actually "win" ???

7 with Armstrong
4 with Rominger
1 with Berzin
2 with Savoldelli
2 (3?) with Menchov
2 with Gotti
1 with Tonkov
1 with Vino
1 with Olano
1 with Scarponi

That's at least 22 grand Tours wins... for what we know, maybe 30, 35...

And 3 with Nibali

 

[Race Radio]

https://www.twitter.com/oufeh/status/542012968968667136

Seems Nibali's name has disappeared from the italian files the same way Contador's doping schedules were shredded in Operacion Puerto...

I wouldn't say disappeared. The report says Nibali's coach, Paolo Slongo, had “frequent contact” with Ferrari......or course he was also Sagan's coach from 2010-13

 

[Benotti69]

And 3 with Nibali

I guess 1 with Evans.

Evans lives very near where Ferrari was based.

 

[Gregga]

And 3 with Nibali

Bad boy

Edit : so sorry, bad girl [SHAME ON ME]

 

[hrotha]

And 3 with Nibali

I wouldn't boast too much if I were you. Remember Contador's legal team provided by Ferrari?

 

[D-Queued]

A lot of those 90 riders are (i think) riders who already retired, suspended or riding at a lower level

Some riders definitely on there

- Scarponi
- Gasparotto
- Visconti
- Bertagnolli
- LL Sanchez
- Pozzato
- Kreuziger
- Vlodomir Bileka
- Vino himself

Some names called/rumoured

- Pietropolli
- Possoni
- Ignatiev
- (Francesco) Masciarelli

Riders i think they could be on it

- Reda
- Ginanni
- Gusev (from a WT team to CT level while still a good rider)
- Carrara
- Kash (?)

And concerning the 'some suprising names', which ones could be logical?
- Majka?
- Aru?
Etc

This would be great on so many levels.

It is hard to not be reminded, however, of how we were promised 100's of names in Operacion Puerto and ended up with a bare handful.

Dave.

 

[ralphbert]

Why all the laughing? You actually sound really happy and excited that there is a major doping scandal going to be revealed.

I am like a kid in a candy store. I love cycling, the "secret race" aspect is at least as exciting as the actual racing. The anti-doping prudes can go jump in the lake.

 

[thehog]

This would be great on so many levels.

It is hard to not be reminded, however, of how we were promised 100's of names in Operacion Puerto and ended up with a bare handful.

Dave.

It’s like the UCI knew was coming with respect to Kreuziger and Astana. They’ve made a preemptive strike on both fronts in some form of attempt to look like they know what they’re doing.

 

[lllludo]

This would be great on so many levels.
It is hard to not be reminded, however, of how we were promised 100's of names in Operacion Puerto and ended up with a bare handful.

it is not about riders it is about teams as. team management isSued one contract to pay for ferrari's Dopping and registered another version at the UCI.
If true all tHese clumsy team managers shall be banned. There would be no more Soviet or italian teams left.
... and that s a bit embarassing for UCI isn't it ? ☺

 

[42x16ss]

This would be great on so many levels.

It is hard to not be reminded, however, of how we were promised 100's of names in Operacion Puerto and ended up with a bare handful.

Dave.

This^^^

There will be huge hype with "Lots" of riders to be implicated according to the UCI, yet strangely there will only be small to medium names and recently retired riders. Any big fish taken down will be in the twilight of their careers or from dirty, non-English speaking countries.

 

[Race Radio]

Proof Nibali met Ferrari

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Proof Nibali met Ferrari

Yea, but see, there's red tape keeping him from being on the inside...I'm guessing his coach got a closer look though...

 

[bewildered]

I am like a kid in a candy store. I love cycling, the "secret race" aspect is at least as exciting as the actual racing. The anti-doping prudes can go jump in the lake.

the excitement of the actual racing has been destroyed since EPO came on the scene. Did you watch pre-EPO cycling?

 

[LaFlorecita]

And concerning the 'some suprising names', which ones could be logical?
- Majka?
- Aru?
Etc

Majka?!

 

[LaFlorecita]

I wouldn't boast too much if I were you. Remember Contador's legal team provided by Ferrari?

Wut are you on about?

 

[staubsauger]

Wut are you on about?

A good dottore might be able to advise Contador to start using CERA right before the 2008 Giro.

(Remember his sudden increase in form. Being able to match all the CERA guys, unless Sella. Klöden and Leipheimer faded away completely after good form shown in Romandie & Georgia, when CERA became heavily whidespreaded in the peloton. SElla's spring and De Bonis at Romandie may be a indicator for the start of this. )

But only a real good dottore and a well informed doping-expert should've been able to tell Contador to immediately stop using CERA in June 2008, when rumors of a test came out.

Think hrotha has something like that in mind. But it's pure speculation. Although the Ferrari - Armstrong- Bruyneel link is well known.

 

[pmcg76]

I still have my doubts about the 90 riders, could be more like 90 people including riders.

Anyway I have come up with 70 names but not going to list them all.
Dopeology is your friend.

They include those who have been linked directly with the Ferrari investigation, the related Padova/Manelli raids. Throw in the Mantova list, add on the guys who have been busted with teams named during the last 5 years and hey presto, approx 70 riders. Now if the Mantova riders are not included, that would be a real can of worms and open the possibilities of a whole host of new names.

Also amazing that of the guys linked to Mantova, only a handful are still riding. Cunego/Bandiera/Ponzi/Mori/F.Gavazzi. The rest are all retired or banned.

As imagined the likes of Astana/Katusha/Lampre/Scinto riders are over represented on the list of 70. Their reputations are well earned.

Of those 70 I found, only 20 or so are still active, many of whom have served suspensions or we already know about.

Scarponi
Visconti
Pozzatto
Kolobnev
Popovych
Gasparotto
Ignatiev
Gusev
Kreuziger
Petrov
Popovych
Pellizotti

There are possible others like Petacchi/Rebellin/Cunego

I think there will be a few new names but probably smaller fish but if things play out like I described, there wont be a huge amount of new info.

 

[hrotha]

Florecita, staubsauger, what I had in mind was more specific than that. Namely, Rocco Taminelli and Giuseppe Banfi.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2012/10/14/actualidad/1350240229_244630.html
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/12-...-da-ferrari-eravamo-tanti--912878761183.shtml

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I still have my doubts about the 90 riders, could be more like 90 people including riders.

Anyway I have come up with 70 names but not going to list them all.
Dopeology is your friend.

They include those who have been linked directly with the Ferrari investigation, the related Padova/Manelli raids. Throw in the Mantova list, add on the guys who have been busted with teams named during the last 5 years and hey presto, approx 70 riders. Now if the Mantova riders are not included, that would be a real can of worms and open the possibilities of a whole host of new names.

Also amazing that of the guys linked to Mantova, only a handful are still riding. Cunego/Bandiera/Ponzi/Mori/F.Gavazzi. The rest are all retired or banned.

As imagined the likes of Astana/Katusha/Lampre/Scinto riders are over represented on the list of 70. Their reputations are well earned.

Of those 70 I found, only 20 or so are still active, many of whom have served suspensions or we already know about.

Scarponi
Visconti
Pozzatto
Kolobnev
Popovych
Gasparotto
Ignatiev
Gusev
Kreuziger
Petrov
Popovych
Pellizotti

There are possible others like Petacchi/Rebellin/Cunego

I think there will be a few new names but probably smaller fish but if things play out like I described, there wont be a huge amount of new info.

I got the sense that it is 90 riders. But that could also include the likes of MTB, track, masters, amatuers or juniors.

 

[neineinei]

Ferrari isn't running a charity. If he is your preparatore you are no poor amateur, you are able to pay. Galimzyanov said that a normal preparatore costed from 15 000 euros per month (in 2011/12). And Ferrari isn't a normal one. The tax evation scheme and money laundering, which are vital parts of the case, also speaks of too much money.

* The investigation isn't finished
* 70 persons have been investigated, 20 of them are cyclists who are named in the 550 p report: La Repubblica names Michele Scarponi, Alexandre Vinokourov, Evgeni Petrov, Aleksandr Kolobnev, Vladimir Gusev, Vladimir Karpets, Mikhail Ignatiev, Alberto Ongarato and Denis Menchov.
* 90 cyclists are named in the case documents of Benedetto Roberti

 

[Samson777]

Majka?!

Before Saxo he was hanging around obscure italian teams, right? Not to say that means you are a Ferrari Client, as mentioned Ferrari is probably not running a charity, so the question is, if Majka was in a position to be a Ferrari client.

 

[webvan]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/ferrari-denies-visiting-astana-training-camp

Ferrari says he's white as snow!

 

[pmcg76]

Ferrari isn't running a charity. If he is your preparatore you are no poor amateur, you are able to pay. Galimzyanov said that a normal preparatore costed from 15 000 euros per month (in 2011/12). And Ferrari isn't a normal one. The tax evation scheme and money laundering, which are vital parts of the case, also speaks of too much money.

* The investigation isn't finished
* 70 persons have been investigated, 20 of them are cyclists who are named in the 550 p report: La Repubblica names Michele Scarponi, Alexandre Vinokourov, Evgeni Petrov, Aleksandr Kolobnev, Vladimir Gusev, Vladimir Karpets, Mikhail Ignatiev, Alberto Ongarato and Denis Menchov.
* 90 cyclists are named in the case documents of Benedetto Roberti

So is that a climb-down already? 20 cyclists being investigated as opposed to 90.

As for being mentioned in the case documents, will depend in what context of course as we learned from the rider affidavits in the USADA affair.

Those 12 Astana riders who were allegedly seen with Ferrari, were they all seen having discussions with Ferrari on an individual basis or were they just the guys at the training camp when he was allegedly there.

 

[Benotti69]

So is that a climb-down already? 20 cyclists being investigated as opposed to 90.

As for being mentioned in the case documents, will depend in what context of course as we learned from the rider affidavits in the USADA affair.

Those 12 Astana riders who were allegedly seen with Ferrari, were they all seen having discussions with Ferrari on an individual basis or were they just the guys at the training camp when he was allegedly there.

90 cyclists named by Roberti is 90 cyclists.

 

[sniper]

90 cyclists named by Roberti is 90 cyclists.

could anybody explain to me what "named" means in this context?
accused of doping?
accused of training with ferrari?
named in some other context?