Four-year Ferrari investigation handed over to CONI

[pmcg76]

90 cyclists named by Roberti is 90 cyclists.

So why only 20 being investigated according to La Republica, lack of evidence? no evidence? As I said it depends on the context. You realise Bassons was interviewed for the Festina trial. Would he appear in the related documents? Think so.

 

[Benotti69]

So why only 20 being investigated according to La Republica, lack of evidence? no evidence? As I said it depends on the context. You realise Bassons was interviewed for the Festina trial. Would he appear in the related documents? Think so.

Maybe 70 are guilty and no need to investigate. Maybe 70 admitted their guilt due to the evidence presented to them by investigators.

 

[neineinei]

So is that a climb-down already? 20 cyclists being investigated as opposed to 90.

As for being mentioned in the case documents, will depend in what context of course as we learned from the rider affidavits in the USADA affair.

Those 12 Astana riders who were allegedly seen with Ferrari, were they all seen having discussions with Ferrari on an individual basis or were they just the guys at the training camp when he was allegedly there.

I don't think there were 12 Astana riders who were seen with Ferrari, but Vino ordered Ferraris services for 12 Astana riders. And they have it on tape. Which might not lead to anything when it comes to court or even a doping sanction, but it should be damning in the eyes of UCI. But does their rule book allow them to act? Vino will take it to CAS, unless he is somehow demobilized.

La Gazzetta dello Sport seems to have all the papers ("many names unsuspected. The truth will be very bitter").

Anyway, Nibali: "Sono sereno, io sempre trasparente".

 

[hrotha]

Nibali: "Sono sereno, io sempre trasparente".

Dopers are always one step ahead. Nibali is sereno while the antidoping authorities are still looking for people who are tranquilo.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Dopers are always one step ahead. Nibali is sereno while the antidoping authorities are still looking for people who are tranquilo.

Sereno is the 'new' tranquilo....

 

[Nick C.]

So why only 20 being investigated according to La Republica, lack of evidence? no evidence? As I said it depends on the context. You realise Bassons was interviewed for the Festina trial. Would he appear in the related documents? Think so.

"The investigation isn't finished
* 70 persons have been investigated, 20 of them are cyclists who are named in the 550 p report ..."

The bolded part seems key to my interpretation.
I think the 70 person as in doctors, other athletes, coaches, managers, cyclists of which 20 are cyclists. There was nothing to say what became of the twenty or why they were interviewed.

I tried the link but it didn't seem to link to an English article so perhaps there is more in there or we will just have to wait,

 

[lllludo]

"The investigation isn't finished
* 70 persons have been investigated, 20 of them are cyclists who are named in the 550 p report ..."

Once again the base of the enquiry is tax evasion with the duplicity of 20 teams. Fake work contracts have been established by some teams to cover the doping expenses of some of their riders. Some teams were registering other versions of their contracts at the UCI.
Team managers are targeted by this inquiry. Guys like Saronni, Savio, Lefevere (!) might be busted.... that's important !

 

[neineinei]

Once again the base of the enquiry is tax evasion with the duplicity of 20 teams. Fake work contracts have been established by some teams to cover the doping expenses of some of their riders. Some teams were registering other versions of their contracts at the UCI.
Team managers are targeted by this inquiry. Guys like Saronni, Savio, Lefevere (!) might be busted.... that's important !

You are right, that is the important stuff.

 

[hrotha]

Lefevere can't be busted, that'd be against the laws of physics I think.

 

[Benotti69]

Lefevere can't be busted, that'd be against the laws of physics I think.

The law of Teflon.......

 

[DirtyWorks]

Once again the base of the enquiry is tax evasion with the duplicity of 20 teams. Fake work contracts have been established by some teams to cover the doping expenses of some of their riders. Some teams were registering other versions of their contracts at the UCI.
Team managers are targeted by this inquiry. Guys like Saronni, Savio, Lefevere (!) might be busted.... that's important !

Well, if the names go public, then that will be the worst of it.

The UCI itself seem mostly indifferent to these scandals. They are concerned only as far as the negative impact to the valuation (whatever that means) of cycling as a sport. Meanwhile, they are pushing their 2017 reforms to "globalize" the sport onto the teams starting next year.

The timing on the transfer of the information could be of interest. The 2015 changes to the WADA code go into effect January. I don't know if this investigation would be the basis of 2015 code infractions. Even if it is, the UCI could just do nothing. Tax tricks is not an anti-doping violation...

 

[ray j willings]

Well, if the names go public, then that will be the worst of it.

The UCI itself seem mostly indifferent to these scandals. They are concerned only as far as the negative impact to the valuation of cycling as a sport.

Tru Dat .
If the UCI handled drug busts like Fifa etc then cycling's rep would not be half as bad. The UCI seem to have a great gift in making Cycling look like its the only sport that dopes. Zidane his still regarded a hero yet Armstrong his a nasty cheater.
Both doped and both reached the pinnacle of their sport.

 

[Irondan]

Tru Dat .
If the UCI handled drug busts like Fifa etc then cycling's rep would not be half as bad. The UCI seem to have a great gift in making Cycling look like its the only sport that dopes. Zidane his still regarded a hero yet Armstrong his a nasty cheater.
Both doped and both reached the pinnacle of their sport.

Armstrong was brought down by his own countryman, not the UCI. The UCI loved LA and all the others that cheated. If it were up to Pat McQaid the UCI would have just stuck with the 50 hermatocrit rule as it's anti-doping initiative.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Well, if the names go public, then that will be the worst of it.

The UCI itself seem mostly indifferent to these scandals. They are concerned only as far as the negative impact to the valuation (whatever that means) of cycling as a sport. Meanwhile, they are pushing their 2017 reforms to "globalize" the sport onto the teams starting next year.

The timing on the transfer of the information could be of interest. The 2015 changes to the WADA code go into effect January. I don't know if this investigation would be the basis of 2015 code infractions. Even if it is, the UCI could just do nothing. Tax tricks is not an anti-doping violation...

That element of the WADA code requires that riders are warned of whom not to work with. While obvious, it wouldn't fall under the code.

 

[nuvolablu]

Big article in today gazzetta della sport

All the cyclist involved :

Leonardo Bertagnolli, Simone Boifava, Diego Caccia, Enrico Franzoi, Marco Frapporti, Omar Lombardi, Fabrizio Macchi (paralimpico), Marco Marcato eek, Andrea Masciarelli, Francesco Masciarelli, Simone Masciarelli, Daniele Pietropolli, Morris Possoni, Filippo Pozzato, Alessandro Pronio), Michele Scarponi, Francesco Tizza, Giovanni Visconti, Ricardo Pichetta (Under 23), Andrea Vaccher (Under 23), Mauricio Ardila (Col), Volodymyr Bileka (Ucr), Borut Bozic (Slo), Maxim Gourov (Kaz), Vladimir Gusev (Rus), Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz), Sergei Ivanov (Rus), Vladimir Karpets (Rus), Aleksander Kolobnev (Rus), Dimitri Kozontchuk (Kaz), Roman Kreuziger (R. Ceca), Denis Menchov (Rus), Evgeni Petrov (Rus), Yaroslav Popovych (Ucr), José Rojas (Spa), Ivan Rovny (Ucr), Egor Silin (Rus), Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz)

 

[blackcat]

Big article in today gazzetta della sport

All the cyclist involved :

Leonardo Bertagnolli, Simone Boifava, Diego Caccia, Enrico Franzoi, Marco Frapporti, Omar Lombardi, Fabrizio Macchi (paralimpico), Marco Marcato eek, Andrea Masciarelli, Francesco Masciarelli, Simone Masciarelli, Daniele Pietropolli, Morris Possoni, Filippo Pozzato, Alessandro Pronio), Michele Scarponi, Francesco Tizza, Giovanni Visconti, Ricardo Pichetta (Under 23), Andrea Vaccher (Under 23), Mauricio Ardila (Col), Volodymyr Bileka (Ucr), Borut Bozic (Slo), Maxim Gourov (Kaz), Vladimir Gusev (Rus), Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz), Sergei Ivanov (Rus), Vladimir Karpets (Rus), Aleksander Kolobnev (Rus), Dimitri Kozontchuk (Kaz), Roman Kreuziger (R. Ceca), Denis Menchov (Rus), Evgeni Petrov (Rus), Yaroslav Popovych (Ucr), José Rojas (Spa), Ivan Rovny (Ucr), Egor Silin (Rus), Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz)

no australians!

I told you we <where is the strikethru function> they dont dope!

 

[nuvolablu]

 

[LaFlorecita]

Rovny is Ukrainian now.

Three TinkSax riders ****

Marcato noooo

 

[staubsauger]

No Cunego? No Pozzovivo? No Aru? Not even Pellizotti?

Lame

 

[JRanton]

Rovny is Ukrainian now.

Three TinkSax riders ****

Marcato noooo

What's the significance of Marcato being named?

 

[pastronef]

Cycling-Pro writes about the Astana and Ferrari case

Google translate does not put a comma between "affected" and "journalism"

https://translate.google.com/transl...messa-giornalismo-fuori-controllo/&edit-text=

 

[TailWindHome]

Daniel Friebe ‏@friebos · 3m3 minutes ago
Gazzetta reports that Di Luca told Padova magistrate in December 2009 exactly how Ferrari's "system" worked. Hence the link to Armstrong.

 

[hrotha]

I thought the list was supposed to contain some very surprising names? Like, yawn. Most of those are either old news or no-name riders.

I think the only name that surprised me a little is Rojas.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Big article in today gazzetta della sport

All the cyclist involved :

Leonardo Bertagnolli, Simone Boifava, Diego Caccia, Enrico Franzoi, Marco Frapporti, Omar Lombardi, Fabrizio Macchi (paralimpico), Marco Marcato eek, Andrea Masciarelli, Francesco Masciarelli, Simone Masciarelli, Daniele Pietropolli, Morris Possoni, Filippo Pozzato, Alessandro Pronio), Michele Scarponi, Francesco Tizza, Giovanni Visconti, Ricardo Pichetta (Under 23), Andrea Vaccher (Under 23), Mauricio Ardila (Col), Volodymyr Bileka (Ucr), Borut Bozic (Slo), Maxim Gourov (Kaz), Vladimir Gusev (Rus), Valentin Iglinskiy (Kaz), Sergei Ivanov (Rus), Vladimir Karpets (Rus), Aleksander Kolobnev (Rus), Dimitri Kozontchuk (Kaz), Roman Kreuziger (R. Ceca), Denis Menchov (Rus), Evgeni Petrov (Rus), Yaroslav Popovych (Ucr), José Rojas (Spa), Ivan Rovny (Ucr), Egor Silin (Rus), Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz)

About time Popo got named somewhere. Useless sos.

 

[staubsauger]

Popo probably really stopped doping mainly in 2008.