Four-year Ferrari investigation handed over to CONI

[BeagRigh]

Rojas (twitter)
Sobre lo publicado hoy: intercambié varios mail con Stefano Ferrari sobre mis entrenamientos. Todo lo demás son rumores sin fundamento
Nada de esto tiene que ver con mi equipo. Espero y deseo que no nos veamos afectados de forma injusta por esta falacia

What published today: I exchanged several mail with Stefano Ferrari on my workouts. Everything else is unsubstantiated rumors
None of this has to do with my team. I hope that we see not unfairly affected by this fallacy

Aah, the classic "yes, I saw him but just for training not for doping".

 

[LosBrolin]

Phew, will it always be like this? Denying everything at the first place? Or is it just natural reaction just like Tyler mentions in his book? This yadayada will make things even more see-through

-Clinic newbie

 

[D-Queued]

I always thought Ferrari was more of a boutique doping doctor, relatively few customers but high fees. Now he seems to have gone high volume - result of losing the Armstrong cash flow?

Are we going to learn anything new about 2009/2010?

Turns out it is more profitable to have exclusive relationships with many cyclists than an exclusive relationship with just one.

Dave.

 

[GJB123]

Armstrong payed Ferrari 100k in 2010. His prices went up last few years if you want the best.

Then again Nibali get's payed 4 million a year now by Astana. A 10% investment ain't to bad to stay on top and get the cutting edge stuff.



Information from someone on the inside comes in handy when u work with certain compounds like Aicar and such knowing if a new test gets developed.

Beating the blood-paspord you don't really need this kind of information. A good doctor that is specialized in reading blood values will know which parameters are important to keep in check to beat the passport.

Kreuziger apparently used Ferrari and I think he begs to differ how easy Dr. F finds it to beat the bio passport.

 

[frenchfry]

Turns out it is more profitable to have exclusive relationships with many cyclists than an exclusive relationship with just one.

Dave.

So maybe that is why he goes to such lengths to keep his operation secret, nothing to do with covering up doping.

 

[Red Rick]

So ironic that Di Luca has done more for anti-doping than so many "look at me I'm clean" Omerta ****ers out there

 

[Benotti69]

Kreuziger apparently used Ferrari and I think he begs to differ how easy Dr. F finds it to beat the bio passport.

Armstrong also chose to ignore Dr.F on levels of doping.

 

[DirtyWorks]

So maybe that is why he goes to such lengths to keep his operation secret, nothing to do with covering up doping.

What did we learn from the IAAF and Armstrong? You can buy your "never tested positive" from the sports federation. Ferrari pays, the athlete pays, and no one tests positive.

 

[IzzyStradlin]

Visconti tweet, now deleted:
"to all of you that I have been disgraced with absurd falsehoods momentarily go away I tell you to **** off then a short official statement"

https://twitter.com/hendriksmj/status/542635885884628992/photo/1

 

[Colonel]

Understood what Ferrari does and offer as whole to a athlete but what are the genuine chances a athlete goes to him purely for a training program. My reason is over and above his scientific doping plans he also does know how to prescribe training and is 1 of the best at that aspect alone in the world.

Maybe there are 1 or 2 innocent athletes who use his training as apposed to the whole program.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Take chemicals out of the equation and you and I have just as much of a chance to "make" a top talent perform as Ferrari.

 

[pmcg76]

Some stats on names released in relation to teams etc, will be lots of cross-over like Pozzatto who has ridden for Katusha/Lampre/Liquigas etc.

Astana 14
Katusha 8
Lampre 6
Liquigas 5
Tinkoff/Androni/Farnese-ISD 3
Rabobank/GEOX same 3 riders
CSF/Radioshack/Quick Step/Lotto 2

Of the 35 pro riders listed, 15 were still riding this year.

 

[pmcg76]

Understood what Ferrari does and offer as whole to a athlete but what are the genuine chances a athlete goes to him purely for a training program. My reason is over and above his scientific doping plans he also does know how to prescribe training and is 1 of the best at that aspect alone in the world.

Maybe there are 1 or 2 innocent athletes who use his training as apposed to the whole program.

Problem is, riders are forbidden from contacting Ferrari in any form so even it were 'innocent', it is still a ban worthy offence.

 

[happytramp]

Problem is, riders are forbidden from contacting Ferrari in any form so even it were 'innocent', it is still a ban worthy offence.

And let's face it, even a rider's mother is going to have a hard time believing that he risked a career damaging ban for some e-mail advice on his training program.

 

[Colonel]

And let's face it, even a rider's mother is going to have a hard time believing that he risked a career damaging ban for some e-mail advice on his training program.

I agree with that totally but still I do believe there is 1 or 2 that used that option only.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Why would Ferrari waste his time writing crap training emails charging small change when he can pull in $100K a pop?

Its the oldest and best advice in business: Never waste your time with sh!t small customers.

 

[Colonel]

Why would Ferrari waste his time writing crap training emails charging small change when he can pull in $100K a pop?

Its the oldest and best advice in business: Never waste your time with sh!t small customers.

Not everyone was charged 100k a pop according to the reports.

Just saying it can happen, not starting an argument.

 

[BeagRigh]

Agree, I'd be very confident nobody is buying only training advice from Ferrari. I mean why the hell would you?

 

[Benotti69]

Not everyone was charged 100k a pop according to the reports.

Just saying it can happen, not starting an argument.

there is only 1 reason to consult with Michele Ferrari and it involves doping.

 

[hrotha]

there is only 1 reason to consult with Michele Ferrari and it involves doping.

Bileka visited Ferrari a couple of times, just getting generic training advice, before he got in the juice.

I don't think anyone who wasn't already doping or at the very least seriously considering doping would work with Ferrari even just to get training advice, but the price ranges and Bileka's testimony suggests that yes, generic training advice was *also* part of Ferraris' business.

 

[Benotti69]

Bileka visited Ferrari a couple of times, just getting generic training advice, before he got in the juice.

I don't think anyone who wasn't already doping or at the very least seriously considering doping would work with Ferrari even just to get training advice, but the price ranges and Bileka's testimony suggests that yes, generic training advice was *also* part of Ferraris' business.

I think Ferrari would give 'generic training' advice possibly in order to see if a rider can be trustworthy for the doping advice. But why would you go to someone famous for being banned(at least twice) for generic training advice, that could get you a ban? That dont make sense to me, but then lots of cyclists appear on the low IQ scale.

 

[TShame]

article

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/astana-accused-of-systematic-doping

Sounds like every Italian.
Name some that aren't on 'the list'.

 

[Benotti69]

The Masciarelli Bros better ask for a refund for all the value they got

 

[LaFlorecita]

Some stats on names released in relation to teams etc, will be lots of cross-over like Pozzatto who has ridden for Katusha/Lampre/Liquigas etc.

Astana 14
Katusha 8
Lampre 6
Liquigas 5
Tinkoff/Androni/Farnese-ISD 3
Rabobank/GEOX same 3 riders
CSF/Radioshack/Quick Step/Lotto 2

Of the 35 pro riders listed, 15 were still riding this year.

Astana. Lol

 

[Fzotrlool]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/astana-accused-of-systematic-doping

Sounds like every Italian.
Name some that aren't on 'the list'.

The yellow jersey? (+ Aru).